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1 hour ago, whyme? said:

I just don't see that working. Obama won by a landslide thanks to getting the moderates to vote for him. Quite frankly, so did Biden in 2020. The only way democrats can win is by being a centrist party. That's how the UK left was able to win this year. They moved more to the center. 

But democrats must have a charismatic, big personality, big mouth candidate. Enough of these nice people. Unfortunately our garbage country likes assholes. 

The thing is, the right wins when the left move centre. It’s part of their MO. Once the goal post is moved to a new ‘centre’, the right just lurch more rabid until things it repeats. And they’ve played the successful long game since thatcher/reagan.

Also, another issue is this ridiculous mindset that we can only have two major parties. 

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Barely a couple days later now & as the days/weeks go on and things simmer down there's more clarity w/ why, what etc...things happened just like in 2016. More and more this entire election cycle conditions & warning signs in the US were just like 2016.

Harris was another Hillary-esque candidate (just as a woman of color) in terms of entire campaign the *candidate/demeanor and the **disconnect. Slick campaign, shitloads of money, celebs galore, canned, robotic, played things suuper safe etc...I listened to a bunch of her campaign speech's on the trail & literally remembered her same scripted lines better than she did at x! lol 

Like Hillary was 'defensive' when asked about just that by Charlamegne The God (saying she's being 'disciplined') 2024 is a very similar atmosphere to 2015/16. Both years were 4-8 years post worldwide disasters ('08 financial crisis and then the '20 pandemic) I tried...really tried to feel her but she just didn't HIT/bring it home for me even w/ a short timeframe. Too many red flags. Ya, the complete media, podcast etc...blackout for 1-2 months was absolutely 'odd' at best. Outta the gate (ESP w/ such a short time frame) AND being part of a highly unpopular administration you go into def com mode trying to rebrand yourself!

For me, possibly the most lethal moment (& I saw it in real time) was the absolutely cringe View interview (of all damn places!) lol. Her response to what she'd do differently than Biden was god awful. Dear headlights, dim, disconnected beyond belief, unpolished, clueless.   

Would a better response, campaign and esp. candidate or VP etc...made a difference? Prob. not but still doubling down Dems absolutely had a serious shot IF Biden simply announced right after a great Dem. '22 midterms he wasn't running again. Ride that momentum into a robust primary and you weed through Harris (& others) possible shortcomings and strengths.

But ya, this shit absolutely STILL & will always fall on 52% of Americans who still actively voted FOR what's coming. I'm w/ that stellar sista in the video this is ALL about JD Vance. Loathe Trump but Vance is waay smarter, slicker, able to navigate & regulate when he needs to to looks 'reasonable and softs spoken'. but is sinister and a total vessel for Project 2025.

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It's important to point out that even though there was a red wave, trump by no means has a super majority, a big majority, or quite frankly any majority. It'll come to 50% of the popular vote. Fine. That doesn't give him authority to do anything outlandish. And Biden won by MORE in 2020. The other side (center left)  still has major strength in numbers, and we'll protest everytime the shit hits the fan these next few years!!!

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Biden should've taken himself out of the race sooner. Irrespective of the fairness of it all, if you're tainted to that degree in the collective imagination, even mistakenly, you have to go. Another primary thereafter would've been ideal, but even having retrieved Harris from the basement a lot sooner could've given her a better shot. She ran a good campaign and revealed herself to have been underutilized from the get-go.

On the other hand, yeah, these are quibbles when juxtaposed with the alternative for which people went out with bells on. Looking at the electorate, it's almost a lost cause.

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30 minutes ago, whyme? said:

It's important to point out that even though there was a red wave, trump by no means has a super majority, a big majority, or quite frankly any majority. It'll come to 50% of the popular vote. Fine. That doesn't give him authority to do anything outlandish. And Biden won by MORE in 2020. The other side (center left)  still has major strength in numbers, and we'll protest everytime the shit hits the fan these next few years!!!

In 2024 times (for such a loathsome figure, supposed 'tired 2 time popular vote loser') he got both an Electoral AND popular vote blowout. Gonna have at least 52 Senate seats for TWO years. Only needs the House majority by 1 vote. He'll get *every single one to vote in unison. No more non Maga moderates gonna 'wobble'.

At the min. very min. he's already bagging up 2 more Supreme Court seats. Possibly 3 if Roberts retires (solid 50/50) because he's almost 70 yold and look at his 1st term. ALL about packing the judiciary. Bookmark me now- by the end of 2025/year from now...prob. much much sooner even worse, younger 40-45 yold versions of Alito/Thomas on the SC. Aileen Canon-esque raging Maga hacks & types. Sotomayor at 70 seriously not looking well. Not super 'old' anymore but not at all young. Vibing like another RBG. NO fng idea why she didn't bolt by early this year!! So, ya, it's super possible this skunk ends up packing the SC w/ a total of SEVEN judges.  

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The thing is you look Trumps vote total from 2020 and 2024 they are about the same.

 

I interpret that he didnt get all these new waves of people to support him people just weren’t feeling the Democrats and didn’t vote.  

 

Thats entirely up to debate what that’s all about but it is what it is.  

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19 minutes ago, Blue Skies said:

The thing is you look Trumps vote total from 2020 and 2024 they are about the same.

 

I interpret that he didnt get all these new waves of people to support him people just weren’t feeling the Democrats and didn’t vote.  

 

Thats entirely up to debate what that’s all about but it is what it is.  

At the absolute min. I/we all knew every single one of his loons would mob out and will continue to but only when HE is on the ticket. For months even before Biden got out many were concerned not about new voters for T but people sitting it out. Biden staying in as LONG as he did ended the ultimate voter suppressant/deterrent. Damage was done that by the time he DID finally gtfo didn't matter anymore. The couch ended up holding down just enough people. I just read earlier some of the top Google searches post election were 'Biden lost?' 'why did Biden get out' etc..Basically ALL Biden related. Masses (people who put T back in office) do NOT follow the mainstream news or read the NYT. It's only what they feel.  

Ya, there's the disgust of results but as I've said it's fortunately not compounded by utter surprise too like in 2016. It's just Harris had the best people in the biz. running her campaign projecting absolute confidence on and off camera. Not a single misstep or warning signs, worrying, cracks, leaks coming out which you almost always get by someone off the record. She's/Dems losing at least ~TEN million votes vs 2020!! He's getting about the same. Bonkers. 

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8 minutes ago, Nikki said:

bernie says what the people need to hear. stop

blaming the voters.

 

I agree with him. When I see McDonalds workers voting for Trump, I mean… something is disconnected, somewhere.

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The voters shouldn't be held guiltless. They ARE still worthy of contempt. We all temper our expectations and acquiesce on some matters when we vote. It's not a mail order catalogue from which anyone can expect perfection. To sit it out because the significantly better of the two isn't stainlessly faultless is asinine and delusional and a luxury to which only the very few should ever feel licensed. Especially with so much at stake, I don't need to read too many excuses for the voters. It's a given that the DNC will need to reassess everything, obviously, but myriad things can be true at once.

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41 minutes ago, Nikki said:

bernie says what the people need to hear. stop

blaming the voters.

 

Such a good and realistic statement. This is a real revenge from americans and their real victory. 

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49 minutes ago, Nikki said:

bernie says what the people need to hear. stop

blaming the voters.

 

Yes , the first ones saying that people are incapable of voting the right(not political)  side are the fascists

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11 hours ago, Camacho said:

 

💙What a fucking Queen! Preach, mama!

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48 minutes ago, runa said:

I agree with him. When I see McDonalds workers voting for Trump, I mean… something is disconnected, somewhere.

Yes because if your strugling voting 4 a party that is against universal Healthcare is the way to go! Let's not pretend.. This has been happening all over the world for years now... The right manages to attract working class votes against their own socio economical interest by focussing on ethical/social/racial issues... Ignorance leads Fear leads people to acting like retarded cunts. 

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14 hours ago, Camacho said:

 

"you couldn't take a black woman in office so you voted for trump". just stop.. 😞

they've been saying it for years.. it's because of the economy.. and he's a fake populist 

more latino, black and Arabs voted for trump..  but it must be racism? more women voted for Biden than they did for Kamala.. guess they're sexist! unbelievable..

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and what about Whoopi and the women of the view gushing over liz Cheney and saying she could be a great attorney general??! are these people democrats?

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This is what an acquaintance wrote today on Facebook, in her reasoning for voting for Trump. I know her personally. She is an immigrant to the USA, so is her husband, they have two small children, they live somewhere in Midwest, she has always seemed to be before a funny, smart, interesting person, that is until I read this…. try not to puke, I almost did: 

I have a lot of friends who voted for Kamala and are very upset with the election results. With love, I offer you my perspective of what’s happened. I was as upset 4 years ago. I was equally worried about the future of our country, which I love so much. And here is my understanding of why Kamala lost. First of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with her gender or the color of her skin. This is about the direction in which the Democratic party has been trying to steer our country. The thing is, a lot of us, Americans, are not ok with it. 

We want to secure our borders for the very same reason you lock the house you live in. You don’t want people entering at will. We don’t want drag queens reading stories to our children. We don’t like our sons to be told that “the future is female,” implying they have a limited place in it. We don’t want our daughters to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men. We don’t want men competing against women in sports. We don’t want to see “tuck friendly” swim suits for toddlers (!!!???) in Target. We don't want our children to be confused because of all this "pronouns" craze.

A lot of us believe in God and don’t like to be perceived as archaic and uneducated for it. We value the concept of a family very highly and really would like to preserve family values as we know them. The modern ideas of “polyamory,” using abortion as contraception, gender fluidity, and the likes are foreign to us, and we reject them.

We like the idea of capitalism and don’t want to get punished with higher taxes for working harder, trying to get ahead for our families. We want social programs to orient people towards becoming financially stable, instead of comfortable with life-long subsidies. We want the ideology of personal responsibility, and not pointing fingers at more successful people for “keeping” you down to explain why you’re STAYING down.

We don’t want “Big Brother” who knows best to tell us we “don’t need an AR-15” and disarm us as a population because bad guys will always have weapons, and we need to be able to protect our families if necessary.

Do all of us like Trump as a human being? Absolutely not. But we agree with his policies and understanding of where America should be headed.

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1 hour ago, sotos8 said:

Yes , the first ones saying that people are incapable of voting the right(not political)  side are the fascists

The very fact that people can say this and other people are allowed to disagree with them without anyone being lynched or put into any internment camps is what makes a democracy what it is and by definition is freedom of speech. We must have very different definitions of fascism I guess. 

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Calling it now. But only IF the US actually has a fully legit election in 2028 lol. I'm barely 50/50 on that now.

Bet you (almost) ANYthing the most giddy Dems on earth now are Shapiro, Whitmer, Moore & Bashear. But ESP Shapiro. Boy is famished for POTUS & got the glow. Of course tempted to say Newsom too but tired ah brand, can't do anything 'CA' again & wouldn't stop doing laps around Bidens busted ball sack. Lol Damaged goods .

Whitmer is fantastic and absolutely COULD have won if she ended up as Bidens VP instead of Harris. It's what it is tho & near 0 chance Dems are gonna put forth ANYone but a straight white man. Ya, Shapiro isn't obv Christian lol but if he crushes it in his 2026 PA re election, he's IT. Hakeem Jeffries too but gonna & gotta be a key swing state moderate w/ crossover appeal & proven winner. 

Bookmark or screenshot me on this call lol then come back in 2026/27. 

Imagine behind the scenes who's/which power players already bombarding him! Lol

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1 hour ago, Sanctuary1995 said:

Do all of us like Trump as a human being? Absolutely not. But we agree with his policies and understanding of where America should be headed.

LOL. Why have I heard this particular point countless times today? And how do I know it's a lie. First of all, they don't know what his policies are (everything she listed are the same talking points the right is campaigning with for ages). Secondly, they voted for Trump because of Trump. They want to be like him. They enjoy the cruelty, the viciousness. Of course, all of them are good Christians. Give me a f*cking break. 

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1 hour ago, acko said:

Yes because if your strugling voting 4 a party that is against universal Healthcare is the way to go! Let's not pretend.. This has been happening all over the world for years now... The right manages to attract working class votes against their own socio economical interest by focussing on ethical/social/racial issues... Ignorance leads Fear leads people to acting like retarded cunts. 

This. The first thing that needs to be adressed in the U.S. is the horrible state the U.S. education system is in. The astounding lack of knowledge of U.S. citizens in basically all fields is most likely the main reason people vote the way they vote. The fact that so many U.S. citizens wear this lack of knowledge with pride is even worse. The willful ignorance on basically all social matters is unheard of. But it is the exact reason why Republican talking about socialism, marxism, communism etc. get away with their lies. But here is the thing, from the point of the Republicans, the education system works just as intended. Is it a coincidence that basically all fly-over and bible belt states are always ranked last in statistics about education? I think not.   

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1 hour ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

Calling it now. But only IF the US actually has a fully legit election in 2028 lol. I'm barely 50/50 on that now.

Bet you (almost) ANYthing the most giddy Dems on earth now are Shapiro, Whitmer, Moore & Bashear. But ESP Shapiro. Boy is famished for POTUS & got the glow. Of course tempted to say Newsom too but tired ah brand, can't do anything 'CA' again & wouldn't stop doing laps around Bidens busted ball sack. Lol Damaged goods .

Whitmer is fantastic and absolutely COULD have won if she ended up as Bidens VP instead of Harris. It's what it is tho & near 0 chance Dems are gonna put forth ANYone but a straight white man. Ya, Shapiro isn't obv Christian lol but if he crushes it in his 2026 PA re election, he's IT. Hakeem Jeffries too but gonna & gotta be a key swing state moderate w/ crossover appeal & proven winner. 

Bookmark or screenshot me on this call lol then come back in 2026/27. 

Imagine behind the scenes who's/which power players already bombarding him! Lol

Do you think Shapiro did want to be Kamala's VP pick at the time? I doubt his being on the ticket would've made enough of an impact, so, from today's fuller perspective, his not having been chosen could only be to his career's great benefit. Hell, maybe he sensed where things were going and found the most masterfully tactful way out ever.

Personally, I'm more impressed by Hakeem Jeffries so far. Also, yeah, someone needs to get Justice Sotomayor in touch with that one tech bro billionaire who spends most of his time trying to facsimile endless youth. She needs tips.

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You absolutely need a charismatic leader who frankly talks like a populist next time around. A young Bernie Sanders at least in terms of communication style.

Sorry but the era of talking like a politician is well and truly over. People don't want edited interviews anymore, they listen to unedited podcasts. The Joe Rogan interviewing Trump episode got something like 40 million views in 3 days.

And yes, no more waffling about, as has been known in the Democratic party. Say it flat out. A punchy, universal message like "Medicare for all" and "free public college" just resonates better, is more mobilizing, and more unifying than wonky, complicated, academically crafted, means-tested proposals like "$10k student debt relief for Pell Grant recipient graduates of HBCUs".

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The Democratic Party also needs to appeal to the WORKING class again. They need to shred the image that you vote for them if you're a well-off university-educated person that lives on the coast... which is out of touch with what the average American deals with on a daily basis economically. They're the largest voter base in the country, and socio-economic class is the largest unifier across identities. 

They just need to stop with the "uneducated" people = stupid and regressive rhetoric, because workers without a college degree just think it comes off as snobbish and elitist. Actually a quite anti-leftist sentiment, ironically. :fag:

It's just a major flaw in the US (and many other countries), that to succeed in politics, you most likely have to have college educated parents, go to the right school, move in an elite circle and have connections, when politics should be for everybody who wants a change in their country.

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So far, I have heard only one really convincing argument why the Democratic Party lost: social media! The right side is far more advanced to reach voters through those channels, as well as podcasts. The number of right-wing podcasters in the U.S. outnumbers the more progressive ones significantly. It seems obvious, the traditional ways of campaigning does no longer work. This is not U.S. specific. The same issue came up in European elections, especially in Germany, where social media channels of the AFD had more subscribers and views than all other political parties combined. This combined with the algorithms, creates the perfect bubble.

For all other arguments (Biden not stepping down, ignoring the working class (allegedly), Kamala the wrong candidate etc.) we will find counter-arguments. But the advanced use of social media by MAGA cannot be denied. 

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4 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

LOL. Why have I heard this particular point countless times today? And how do I know it's a lie. First of all, they don't know what his policies are (everything she listed are the same talking points the right is campaigning with for ages). Secondly, they voted for Trump because of Trump. They want to be like him. They enjoy the cruelty, the viciousness. Of course, all of them are good Christians. Give me a f*cking break. 

Exactly! I'm so fucking sick of them trying to justify themselves by preceding it with "I really don't like him but....".....bitch, yes you do fucking like him just own it and stop hiding behind your fake ass "Christian" veil. I'm tired of being nice about it, the person that wrote that can fuck off with their rationalizations. You just voted for someone who at the very least has fascist tendencies, that literally tried to keep himself in power with force when he lost the last election, who carelessly "stored" ie: stole (to sell??) classified documents in his fucking bathroom (where he's on tape bragging about showing them off to people)....who when asked to please give them back, absolutely refused and they ended up having to come take them forcefully (for which he wasn't even present for but then still used to victimize himself). Of course that just scratches the surface with him as far as his crimes and atrocities go but to me personally, those two things are particularly egregious for a president and should immediately disqualify ANYONE from running for public office ever again. 

What it seems like to me is the next Democratic candidate is going to have to dumb themselves down in order to be "relatable"....that's where we're at now. Kamala being organized and prepared isn't seen as commendable, it's seen as "fake" and "robotic". Meanwhile Trump looking into space and weeble wobbling back and forth to music for 40 minutes at a TOWN FUCKING HALL where he should be answering questions or going on an insane rant about eating cats and dogs is something we should just wave our hand at dismissively, smile and say "oh that's just Trump being Trump".....no, fuck that. I consider myself to be a fairly optimistic person that tends to see the good in everybody and believe people are innately good for the most part. That's done. I was shocked in 2016 when he won but this time I'm not so much shocked as I am incredibly disappointed, sad and angry. Perhaps I'm understanding this way later in life than some and it's always been this way but realizing that basically half of this country really are just vile, selfish people that get off on being assholes is incredibly heartbreaking. The fact he's winning the popular vote this time is like salt in the wound. Then you have a huge chunk that are just nihilistic and want to burn it all down to the ground and he appeals to those people as well. At this point, we deserve what we get. We've had so many potential off ramps from this piece of scum for almost a decade and we very affirmatively decided THIS is the path we want to be on. I hope everyone gets whatever it is they want.....but your eggs are still gonna be expensive. 

Oh and an extra big FUCK YOU to Mitch McConnell and Merrick Garland. 

 

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7 hours ago, Nikki said:

"you couldn't take a black woman in office so you voted for trump". just stop.. 😞

they've been saying it for years.. it's because of the economy.. and he's a fake populist 

more latino, black and Arabs voted for trump..  but it must be racism? more women voted for Biden than they did for Kamala.. guess they're sexist! unbelievable..

Nikki,  I think she is 100 % correct.  I would also go as far as saying that people don't want to see a woman in power.  I have watched so much coverage in the past few days and what has really come home strong is the amount of men ( of all races )  who openly say they don't believe a woman should be in power.  Even have seen religious black men saying straight out that they did not vote for Harris BECAUSE she is a woman.  One black man was asked in disbelief that did  he really vote for a man who praises white supremacists over a black woman and he answered yes because woman belong in the home and feminism destroys family.   So what does that say - he preferred a man who is a racist than a black woman.   Apparently that is a major reason why so many black man refused to vote for Harris and instead turned to Trump.  Ditto with Latin men,  Trump and his supporters have been demonising immigrants in the most hideous way and again some are opening saying they would rather vote for Trump over a woman and many are saying it.  I want to add that I am not saying it is the majority of black and latin men but some of them. Polls have proven that many have turned to Trump. I would expect that of white men because they are not discriminated against but I find it dreadful that minority and discriminated groups would vote for a man and his party who talks about them like dirt because they don't want to vote for a woman. It has been proved this election that many have voted for Trump who voted for Biden before.   As for white woman who would rather vote for Trump that a woman,  they themselves have to live with the fact that they voted in a party that has taken rights away from women that women have fought so hard for.   It is so frustrating.  

Women have to admit that some men will NEVER vote for a woman.  This election has shown us that. 

I applaud the black women of America and admire them greatly.  They stand by their convictions and I hate to think of them suffering because people refuse to vote for a woman.  They deserved more support from white woman and all men.  

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1 hour ago, Kurt420 said:

Exactly! I'm so fucking sick of them trying to justify themselves by preceding it with "I really don't like him but....".....bitch, yes you do fucking like him just own it and stop hiding behind your fake ass "Christian" veil. I'm tired of being nice about it, the person that wrote that can fuck off with their rationalizations. You just voted for someone who at the very least has fascist tendencies, that literally tried to keep himself in power with force when he lost the last election, who carelessly "stored" ie: stole (to sell??) classified documents in his fucking bathroom (where he's on tape bragging about showing them off to people)....who when asked to please give them back, absolutely refused and they ended up having to come take them forcefully (for which he wasn't even present for but then still used to victimize himself). Of course that just scratches the surface with him as far as his crimes and atrocities go but to me personally, those two things are particularly egregious for a president and should immediately disqualify ANYONE from running for public office ever again. 

What it seems like to me is the next Democratic candidate is going to have to dumb themselves down in order to be "relatable"....that's where we're at now. Kamala being organized and prepared isn't seen as commendable, it's seen as "fake" and "robotic". Meanwhile Trump looking into space and weeble wobbling back and forth to music for 40 minutes at a TOWN FUCKING HALL where he should be answering questions or going on an insane rant about eating cats and dogs is something we should just wave our hand at dismissively, smile and say "oh that's just Trump being Trump".....no, fuck that. I consider myself to be a fairly optimistic person that tends to see the good in everybody and believe people are innately good for the most part. That's done. I was shocked in 2016 when he won but this time I'm not so much shocked as I am incredibly disappointed, sad and angry. Perhaps I'm understanding this way later in life than some and it's always been this way but realizing that basically half of this country really are just vile, selfish people that get off on being assholes is incredibly heartbreaking. The fact he's winning the popular vote this time is like salt in the wound. Then you have a huge chunk that are just nihilistic and want to burn it all down to the ground and he appeals to those people as well. At this point, we deserve what we get. We've had so many potential off ramps from this piece of scum for almost a decade and we very affirmatively decided THIS is the path we want to be on. I hope everyone gets whatever it is they want.....but your eggs are still gonna be expensive. 

Oh and an extra big FUCK YOU to Mitch McConnell and Merrick Garland. 

 

You're a great writer.

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1 hour ago, Kurt420 said:

 

What it seems like to me is the next Democratic candidate is going to have to dumb themselves down in order to be "relatable"....that's where we're at now.  

The fact he's winning the popular vote this time is like salt in the wound. Then you have a huge chunk that are just nihilistic and want to burn it all down to the ground and he appeals to those people as well.

 

All of what you wrote, especially this! 🎯 

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