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1 hour ago, Lolo said:

I’ve seen a lot of tweets and shorts explaining how tariffs actually work and I couldn’t believe this wasn’t common knowledge in the US. 

It all comes down to education. 

Regarding tariffs, they should have known because Trump put tariffs on certain products during his first term. Mainly steel because he wanted to save the American steel industry. Problem, American steel companies were not able to cope with demand. Not only quantity but also quality. I remember how there were reports about hardware stores running out of screws and such or oversea product being expensive. Even worse, large projects like skyscrapers had massive budget overruns or had to be put on hold because all of a sudden certain kinds of steel were no longer available. I think it was because of a certain kind of super high quality steel only available from Japan and Germany. Imagine what will happen if he puts tariffs on all goods imported. 

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6 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

It all comes down to education. 

Regarding tariffs, they should have known because Trump put tariffs on certain products during his first term. Mainly steel because he wanted to save the American steel industry. Problem, American steel companies were not able to cope with demand. Not only quantity but also quality. I remember how there were reports about hatrdware stores running out of screws and such or oversee product being expansive. Even worse, large projects like skyscrapers had massive budget overruns or had to be put on hold because all of a sudden certain kinds of steel were no longer available. I think it was because of a certain kind of super high quality steel only available from Japan and Germany. Imagine what will happen if he puts tariffs on all goods imported. 

The trouble is China has the mass market covered cheaply and readily.

Most of the west totally depends on that but it is bad news for many local economies.

Here in my country most of the things you buy in the shops are made in China.

Many resources in local businesses here are ran offshore to keep costs cheap.

But the west has allowed it to happen.

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1 minute ago, Confessit said:

The trouble is China has the mass market covered cheaply and readily.

Most of the west totally depends on that but it is bad news for many local economies.

Here in my country most of the things you buy in the shops are made in China.

This is exactly the point. The difference is, people and companies in Europe understand this. Here in Germany companies were told to become more independent from.  Chinese suppliers and look for alternative suppliers within the EU as a result of the interruption of the supply chain during Covid, which halted production in German companies because certain parts or materials needed for whatever product they were producing did not arrive. I hope they have learned their lesson and became more independent. Private consumption is a different matter. Of course, most of the "cheap" stuff is from China. That said, Germans are very reluctant consumers and tend to save all the money for bad times. Then there is also the attitude to spend more money on expensive goods to get more quality, reliability and longevity. Made in Germany is still preferred, even if it costs 20-30% more. I think this comes from experience. How many times did people buy Made in China and it broke down after 2 years? Not worth it.

But U.S. consumers and companies that's on whole different level. Trump says, he wants to bring back production to the U.S.. But what production? For the everyday stuff that is produced in China or India for minimal wages under horrible working conditions, ignoring all environmental standards? A production that will be at least twice as expensive when produced in the U.S.. A product that is no longer attractive once it reaches a certain retail price? Another question, how do you produce stuff if you don't have the workforce needed? Unemployment is at 4%. All illegal immigrants are supposed to be deported, an estimate of 20 million, bringing down the available workforce even further. Of course, all of this will cost US consumers dearly. In the end, especially low to middle income citizens will pay way more for tariffs than in income tax, which Trump wants to erase. It is a very bad exchange for everyday citizens. 

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All those Trump voters will get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, it will damage the other half who want reason to prevail. Oh well. Sometimes the disease needs to run its course. I hope those Muslim voters in Deerborn, Michigan, who voted for Trump over Harris just to "send a message," enjoy the next four years of hate crimes and travel bans. 

You can't fix stupid. And there is a plethora of it here.

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I am shocked by the absolute magnitude of comments on social media by so many Americans. They seem to truly think Trump and Musk - both born to incredibly wealthy families are not elite and all for the working class. Bruce Springsteen - who had ALWAYS sang about working class problems is now seen as a rich elite - even though he became rich through his talent and hard work. He is instead seen as elite while Musk and Trump are seen as heroes and champions of the working class  😢They seem to idolise Trump and either forgive everything he does or don’t believe he says or does anything wrong even though there is footage of him plain to see. 
 

Men especially seem to love him and Musk with devoted passion. Staggering at how popular and loved Trump is in the USA. Too many voters supported him in too many states to deny it. 

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9 minutes ago, Nightshade said:

All those Trump voters will get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, it will damage the other half who want reason to prevail. Oh well. Sometimes the disease needs to run its course. I hope those Muslim voters in Deerborn, Michigan, who voted for Trump over Harris just to "send a message," enjoy the next four years of hate crimes and travel bans. 

You can't fix stupid. And there is a plethora of it here.

Well, most of those Muslims will claim they never voted for Trump, they voted for Stein. Which is total hypocrisy because it is basically a vote for Trump. And they know it. 

They will have blood on their hands, once Netanyahu has carte blanche to do get rid of Palestinians once and for all. But yeah, Genocide Kamala, bad.

On the other hand, they may enjoy their summers on Gazas beaches at one of Trump/Kushner resorts. 

People are so stupid. There was peace in the Middle East under Trump? Abaraham accords? All bullshit. Trump was playing with fire when he moved the U.S. embassy to Jersusalem, completely ignoring the consequence of such move and as always rejecting all warnings from people much more familiar with the politcal situation. But I assume, they knew exactly what they were doing. Remember that scene from the movie Kingdom of Heaven: "Give me a war, Rainald (de Chatillon)".

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11 minutes ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Men especially seem to love him and Musk with devoted passion. Staggering at how popular and loved Trump is in the USA. Too many voters supported him in too many states to deny it. 

This is all about white (straight men) priviledge. For systematic reasons, white men have been in power for ever. Because of social changes, some even call it revolutions, all kinds of people, but especially women excelled and today are basically better in everything. This is the result of thousands and thousands of years of female experience. Females have to work harder, have to know more, have to be better to be as good as men. And they took the challenge. Of course, still taking care of household and children, as if this was nothing. The situation men face, "competing" with women, today is their own doing. They too priviledge for granted and were lazy. Now they try to turn back the time, holding women back, through politics. Their worldview is completely warped. They think of themselves as alpha, when everyone knows they are beta at best. Their issue is transwomen in women sports, because it is unfair for women. But they have no issue with a society where women in general to have to compete in a mens race. Their issue is that women in that race succeed. So they have no issue to change their rules of their race once again to undermine women, they allegedly care so much about. But not even this works. That's why they turn to people like Trump and Musk. Men that have not respect for women at all. Men who think rules don't apply to them. There are many more reasons. None of them is a positive one. 

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I listened to the save pod America podcast and was so surprised to hear they wanted donations.. I know SPAmerica works for the DNC. they're basically their spokespersons. Kamala got over a BILLION from donations. How dare they?

Then I heard they spent millions on Oprah, gaga, Beyonce.. and are now in DEPT.

The DNC are a JOKE.

They should stop money in politics from donors. this is a scam.

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1 hour ago, Nikki said:

I listened to the save pod America podcast and was so surprised to hear they wanted donations.. I know SPAmerica works for the DNC. they're basically their spokespersons. Kamala got over a BILLION from donations. How dare they?

Then I heard they spent millions on Oprah, gaga, Beyonce.. and are now in DEPT.

The DNC are a JOKE.

They should stop money in politics from donors. this is a scam.

Yeah I agree.

 

If there's anything good to come of the election for Democrats it's that it's time to give the party a facelift.  No more the Obama's, Clinton's, Pelosi, and Biden as the face of the party.  

 

I say give/ promote younger democrats like AOC within the party.  She has some good and fresh ideas.  Such as reaching out and listening why people might have voted for her and Trump at the same time.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-trump-harris-democrats-economy-gaza-split-ticket-voters-2024-11

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Blue Skies said:

 

I say give/ promote younger democrats like AOC within the party.  She has some good and fresh ideas.  Such as reaching out and listening why people might have voted for her and Trump at the same time.

 

I have seen the answers. And sorry, this was some useless shit. There was nothing of significance to learn from. Voters in the U.S. are very uneducated, very ignorant. Hence the reason why they search for relevant things like tariffs and deportation of undocumented immigants now. The point that the democrats allegedly abandoned the so called working class has been discussed before. What were deomocrats supposed to do or promise? One would think that voting for the party that implemented laws that strengtened labor rights, whose president stood with strikers on the picket line is the more valid option than voting for a candidate who is openly anti-union and has no interest rasing the minimum wage. Many say, democrats should have told workers they want to implement universal healthcare, which makes me wonder if the general stance on this issue among U.S. Americans have changed? My impression was that most U.S. Americans react to universal healthcare like the devil to holy water because it's considered communism, thanks to the misinformation spread by republicans. 

People did not vote for Harris based on policies, that's an excuse. An excuse for the ugly truth, that no one wants to address: people voted for Trump because of all the negative aspects he represents, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia ... Why? Because this would require admission that the U.S.A. is a rotten country at this point, a country where the biggest patriots are the most un-american. A country that prides itself as a beacon of freedom, and never gets tired of telling everyone they are, yet are willing to take away freedoms away from their very own citizens. Make it make sense. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I have seen the answers. And sorry, this was some useless shit. There was nothing of significance to learn from. Voters in the U.S. are very uneducated, very ignorant. Hence the reason why they search for relevant things like tariffs and deportation of undocumented immigants now. The point that the democrats allegedly abandoned the so called working class has been discussed before. What were deomocrats supposed to do or promise? One would think that voting for the party that implemented laws that strengtened labor rights, whose president stood with strikers on the picket line is the more valid option than voting for a candidate who is openly anti-union and has no interest rasing the minimum wage. Many say, democrats should have told workers they want to implement universal healthcare, which makes me wonder if the general stance on this issue among U.S. Americans have changed? My impression was that most U.S. Americans react to universal healthcare like the devil to holy water because it's considered communism, thanks to the misinformation spread by republicans. 

People did not vote for Harris based on policies, that's an excuse. An excuse for the ugly truth, that no one wants to address: people voted for Trump because of all the negative aspects he represents, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia ... Why? Because this would require admission that the U.S.A. is a rotten country at this point, a country where the biggest patriots are the most un-american. A country that prides itself as a beacon of freedom, and never gets tired of telling everyone they are, yet are willing to take away freedoms away from their very own citizens. Make it make sense. 

 

Perhaps so.

 

But the Democrats can’t keep doing what their doing it they want to win elections.  

Posted
3 hours ago, Nikki said:

I listened to the save pod America podcast and was so surprised to hear they wanted donations.. I know SPAmerica works for the DNC. they're basically their spokespersons. Kamala got over a BILLION from donations. How dare they?

Then I heard they spent millions on Oprah, gaga, Beyonce.. and are now in DEPT.

The DNC are a JOKE.

They should stop money in politics from donors. this is a scam.

Yeah I was disgusted when Democrat supporters on TV were like ‘she’s raised so much money’. For what? To piss up the wall with?! That money could have helped so many people/communities in need. As an outsider, the money in US politics is hyper capitalism and a structural problem that needs to be addressed.

47 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Many say, democrats should have told workers they want to implement universal healthcare, which makes me wonder if the general stance on this issue among U.S. Americans have changed? My impression was that most U.S. Americans react to universal healthcare like the devil to holy water because it's considered communism, thanks to the misinformation spread by republicans. 

I spoke to an American recently about this. I think the topic has been so warped that people just don’t get it. She was outraged her taxes could be used by other people for healthcare, and disliked how her father’s business had to provide health cover. I tried to explain that access to universal healthcare actually means people can work more but she wasn’t drawing the links.

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2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I have seen the answers. And sorry, this was some useless shit. There was nothing of significance to learn from. Voters in the U.S. are very uneducated, very ignorant. Hence the reason why they search for relevant things like tariffs and deportation of undocumented immigants now. The point that the democrats allegedly abandoned the so called working class has been discussed before. What were deomocrats supposed to do or promise? One would think that voting for the party that implemented laws that strengtened labor rights, whose president stood with strikers on the picket line is the more valid option than voting for a candidate who is openly anti-union and has no interest rasing the minimum wage. Many say, democrats should have told workers they want to implement universal healthcare, which makes me wonder if the general stance on this issue among U.S. Americans have changed? My impression was that most U.S. Americans react to universal healthcare like the devil to holy water because it's considered communism, thanks to the misinformation spread by republicans. 

People did not vote for Harris based on policies, that's an excuse. An excuse for the ugly truth, that no one wants to address: people voted for Trump because of all the negative aspects he represents, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia ... Why? Because this would require admission that the U.S.A. is a rotten country at this point, a country where the biggest patriots are the most un-american. A country that prides itself as a beacon of freedom, and never gets tired of telling everyone they are, yet are willing to take away freedoms away from their very own citizens. Make it make sense. 

 

Add to the mix racism too. Many couldn't stomach a black/southasian liberal woman to be their president. It's not the DP policies: comparing the two parties, if one does the comparison, could only result in one thing: only one party have policies benefiting the working class. The other one clearly benefits the rich. 

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On 11/12/2024 at 9:12 AM, Jazzy Jan said:

Men especially seem to love him and Musk with devoted passion.

Yesterday they cheered so hard for Musk because he might be the world’s first trillionaire soon. 
 

It‘s like the people in 18th century France marching for more wealth to the King. The extent of brain washing is scary. 

Posted
13 hours ago, cardiganstarlet said:

I spoke to an American recently about this. I think the topic has been so warped that people just don’t get it. She was outraged her taxes could be used by other people for healthcare, and disliked how her father’s business had to provide health cover. I tried to explain that access to universal healthcare actually means people can work more but she wasn’t drawing the links.

They do not get the concept at all, thanks to severe misinformation. My country has universal healthcare (and other social programmes) for almost 150 years. It survived 2 world wars and the worst recession among other things. It was not introduced because people in power wanted to be nice or did care for workers or other low classes. It was a move to stop the social democrate movement from growing and to uphold the monarchy in Germany. Funny thing, even industrialists realized at some some point that this is a good and even cost effective thing. Employees are more healthy and therefore more productive and can create way more profit for companies. It's a win win situation. The same understanding applies to (paid) holidays, (paid) sick days, (paid) maternity leave, (affordable) child care. The list goes on. All things unheard of in the U.S.. People claim that they have all of it because there are some companies offering this as employee benefits. What they fail to understand is that those benefits can be taken away at the discretion of the employer. In the rest of the world it is a right. As someone said: In the U.S.A. you have freedom, in Europe we have rights. And the most funny thing: U.S. companies in the U.S., sometimes actively fighting against social programmes and being anti-union, are providing all of this at their European offices and plants and in many cases make as much or even more profit compared to the U.S. 

The fact alone, that U.S. healthcare expenditure is the highest in the World by far, yet there are millions of uninsured and even more millions underinsured people. A system where even people with insurance have to pay insane amounts of money out of pocket before their insurance kicks in and the issue with pre-existing conditions, is a horrible system from a society point of view. It's that simple. Of course, the system works just as it should for shareholders and managers at insurances and healthcare providers. 

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Lolo said:

Yesterday they cheered so hard for Musk because he might be the world’s first trillionaire soon. 
 

It‘s like the people in 18th century France marching for more wealth to the King. The extent of brain washing is scary. 

Except they didn't. People back then, even with no proper education were not that stupid. 

Yesterday while driving my car I listened to an interview with the minister of economics of Brandenburg and he was gushing about Tesla in Grünheide and what an amazing thing the whole project is. And he was full of praise of Musk, because Musk accepts that people have a different political worldview. Musk is a private person. Yeah, sure.  I wonder, if the mininster knows that they have made a deal with the devil and that this factory is a sheep in wolfs clothing? Are politicians really that naive? Mark my words, Musk will try to lower standards at this factory and if government doesn't agree, Musk will have the U.S. government retailiate against German carmakers. The same with X. JD Vance already warned German government not to mess with freedom of speech on X. Of course, the freedom of speech as Musk understands it. Watch anti-semite, Holocaust denying posts to increase. The latter one being illegal and punishable by law. Again, if he doesn't like the German reaction (based on our laws afterall), will he have the U.S. government, that he is a part of, retaliate for his personal gain?

I guess the only way to stop Musk, is to boycott all of his products. In case of Tesla, this shouldn't even be a problem. There are way better cars out there. 

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4 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Except they didn't. People back then, even with no proper education were not that stupid. 

Yesterday while driving my car I listened to an interview with the minister of economics of Brandenburg and he was gushing about Tesla in Grünheide and what an amazing thing the whole project is. And he was full of praise of Musk, because Musk accepts that people have a different political worldview. Musk is a private person. Yeah, sure.  I wonder, if the mininster knows that they have made a deal with the devil and that this factory is a sheep in wolfs clothing? Are politicians really that naive? Mark my words, Musk will try to lower standards at this factory and if government doesn't agree, Musk will have the U.S. government retailiate against German carmakers. The same with X. JD Vance already warned German government not to mess with freedom of speech on X. Of course, the freedom of speech as Musk understands it. Watch anti-semite, Holocaust denying posts to increase. The latter one being illegal and punishable by law. Again, if he doesn't like the German reaction (based on our laws afterall), will he have the U.S. government, that he is a part of, retaliate for his personal gain?

I guess the only way to stop Musk, is to boycott all of his products. In case of Tesla, this shouldn't even be a problem. There are way better cars out there. 

especially German cars. Musk could only dream of topping that quality. Musk is horrid. There is something fishy with this election.

Posted
22 hours ago, Blue Skies said:

Yeah I agree.

 

If there's anything good to come of the election for Democrats it's that it's time to give the party a facelift.  No more the Obama's, Clinton's, Pelosi, and Biden as the face of the party.  

 

I say give/ promote younger democrats like AOC within the party.  She has some good and fresh ideas.  Such as reaching out and listening why people might have voted for her and Trump at the same time.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-trump-harris-democrats-economy-gaza-split-ticket-voters-2024-11

 

 

and maybe a good tactic to indirectly show her colleagues and wake them up (business insider already picked it up and im sure more will) .

Im so worried 😞 there's so much pro trump propaganda, so much fake news, even the over the top/blatant pro trump (Murdoch funded) sky news Australia has the audience I never would've expected just a few years ago. I thought people watched it to mock it. what happened to people? did lockdown turn that many people into imbeciles? 

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He just said "he can't run for 2028, unless Republicans do something".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/13/trump-2028-third-term-joke/75962254007/

It was meant as a joke, but we all know, deep down inside, that's what he would want. He's not even officialy President and he's already talking about it. Says a lot on his intentions. 

And funny how no Republicans talk about "rigged election" or "election fraud", like it never happened.  :doh:

 

 

Posted

First that Fox News presenter as secretary of defense. Now Matt Gaetz as Attorney General. A suspect in a child trafficking sex ring. You can't make this shit up. (I still think, he is the worst kind of closet case. Remember his stepson aka pool boy?)

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Enjoy the USA while it lasts. Now thru Jan 19, 2025. 

Then we become... something else entirely. 

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