2024 U.S. Presidential Election

[Raider of the lost Ark]

5 minutes ago, zephyralexxx said:

It's impossible to talk to people like you.

Well, you want people to keep quiet about their convictions. Then you put the blame on the ones that speak up? Interesting world view. I have my personal view on the future of the European Union, which will become an urgent matter in near future. A EU 2.0. Some countries may no longer be part of this union. Connect the dots. 

[zephyralexxx]

3 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Well, you want people to keep quiet about their convictions. Then you put the blame on the ones that speak up? Interesting world view. I have my personal view on the future of the European Union, which will become an urgent matter in near future. A EU 2.0. Some countries may no longer be part of this union. Connect the dots. 

No, you want people to keep quiet (me, this time) and that's exactly what you just did, putting words in my mouth in the other reply and now putting the blame on me. Auf Wiedersehen.

[acko]

43 minutes ago, zephyralexxx said:

Artists, actors, singers are here, on this planet, to make me feel good through their paintings, movies and songs, not to influence me how and whom to vote with. And yes, since COVID, people are more and more tired or uninterested in celebrities' influence. 

What influence is that? you are perfectly free to disagree with them it's called freedom of speech. Your not entertained? Then move on. 

[zephyralexxx]

4 minutes ago, acko said:

What influence is that? you are perfectly free to disagree with them it's called freedom of speech. Your not entertained? Then move on. 

I did. I'm entertained when they act and sing.

[Paul]

32 minutes ago, Michael. said:

 But the average voter isn’t smart enough

Bingo.

[mtzlplk]

That Des Moines poll gimmick in IOWA didn't work, only made false hopes and more people upset. 

[runa]

This is a nightmare. 
Can’t believe they let that fascist win. 

[Sanctuary1995]

4 minutes ago, runa said:

This is a nightmare. 
Can’t believe they let that fascist win. 

They already did 8 years ago 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

3 minutes ago, Sanctuary1995 said:

They already did 8 years ago 

But this time he comes prepared. And it looks like he has the senate, the house and the supreme court. He can basically do whatever he wants. 

[elijah]

2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Well, you want people to keep quiet about their convictions. Then you put the blame on the ones that speak up? Interesting world view. I have my personal view on the future of the European Union, which will become an urgent matter in near future. A EU 2.0. Some countries may no longer be part of this union. Connect the dots. 

Sad but true. Many ppl in Eastern European countries would vote Dumb instantly in. Not only Hungary, but Slovakia and unfortunately BG. Sad where it all goes down to. Trump was never a friend of Europe.

[cardiganstarlet]

3 hours ago, whyme? said:

I think the Democratic party and it's leaders also need to do a bit of soul searching. Stop saying "we need the black vote, the Latino vote, the female vote". You actually need the  white centrist vote to win!!! They voted in droves for Obama and Bill Clinton. And perhaps Biden (sort of). The Democratic party needs to be a moderate, centrist party. They are perceived in America as this lefty, woke party that caters to minorities. Guess what, you won't win that way! 

Trump should've been beaten by 10 points on the polls, not 'neck and neck'. Ughhhh

I find this theory interesting. I don’t live in the US but a tv channel in my country said something similar. I don’t understand it because to me the democrats are a centrist party, if not centre right.

The disinformation about left wing politics and institutions in that country is crazy. My heart really goes out to the intelligent and compassionate people who are genuinely working hard for progressive policies which benefit a lot of the hardcore MAGA base. Sadly, they’ve drank the cool aid and are lost to the Trump cult, and will drag everyone down with them.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I am still looking for words. I feel sadness, I feel anger. In the last few hours, people tried to find explanations why people voted for him. Especially because of the things we know about him and the policies he wants to establish. Even worse, for the first time in almost 25 years, less people voted democratic than republican. People obviously stayed at home. Kamala will have approx. 15 million less votes than Biden (Trump lost 4 million as well). What are the reasons? Complacency, racism, misogyny? The economy (as people FEEL it)? The role social media and established media were playing? I suppose it's all of it. But there is one thing that seems to be the case for most MAGA voters: They like Trumps (and his circles) rude, indecent behaviour, his cruelty, his grudges, his grievances. They want to be like him, they want to act like him. And he has given them permission. Tell me one positive attribute about this man. I can't think of anything. And mark my words, this is going to get worse. 

The question is, what will all this lead to? We will see. Let's expect the worst. At this very moment and because of my frustration I have no consoling words to offer. All I can think of are the sayings "You have made your bed, now lay in it" or "If you don't want to listen, you will need to to feel it". Maybe the U.S. need to learn it the hard way. 

Internationally, the reputation of the U.S. will go down even further. Trump was always talking about the respect towards the U.S. What he and many U.S. politicians and citizens don't understand is that the U.S. were not respected in a very very long time. Obama and Biden at least tried to rebuild some of it. But it was destroyed by Bush jr. and ultimately Trump to a point of no return. At this very moment, there is no trust left. And when Trump talks about respect, he actually talks fear. Fear because of the biggest military in the world. What other things should the U.S. be respected for? I fear for Ukraine. I think it is almost certain at this point, he will no longer support them. He will have Gaza destroyed, because of his buddy Netanyahu and his evangelicals. He will meddle in EU politics thanks to his proxies Orban and Erdogan. I could go on. I do hope, the EU will have some kind of renaissance and finally deals with things that adress the safety of the EU in the same way, players like Russia, China and the U.S. do. With agressiveness. An EU army, nuclear weapons. Because of history, the EU tried to handle conflicts through diplomacy on a basis of common interest and rules of decency. And it worked, at least among the members of the EU. No war on a continent that has been war ridden for centuries. What Europe needs to learn is that above mentioned rules of international relationships are no longer appreciated by one or more players, the approach needs to be changed to not appear weak. If we have learned one thing in the last 10 years or even longer, if you don't act from a position or power, you will be run over. Mostly economically. But sometimes even literally. The EU can no longer afford to play nice if all others don't. 

[Paul]

3 hours ago, whyme? said:

I think the Democratic party and it's leaders also need to do a bit of soul searching. Stop saying "we need the black vote, the Latino vote, the female vote". You actually need the  white centrist vote to win!!! They voted in droves for Obama and Bill Clinton. And perhaps Biden (sort of). The Democratic party needs to be a moderate, centrist party. They are perceived in America as this lefty, woke party that caters to minorities. Guess what, you won't win that way! 

Trump should've been beaten by 10 points on the polls, not 'neck in neck'. Ughhhh

Except Harris would have won if she got the black vote and latino vote. Compared to the results in 2020, Harris lost black men votes to Trump in Philadelphia, and lost Latinos votes across the whole country (men and women). A LOT of latino voters shifted to trump, even the Puerto Ricans in PA. White votes didn't change from 2020.

The failure was, as it always is, the economic message. Despite the US economy being strong and objectively better than 4 year ago, two-thirds of people think its worse and that America is on the wrong track. You can't win elections when people think that about an incumbent administration. The voters that shifted to Trump (the minorities) believe their lives will better under Trump than Harris. (The sad irony is that they will almost certainly be worse off with Trump.)

[sotos8]

3 hours ago, whyme? said:

I think the Democratic party and it's leaders also need to do a bit of soul searching. Stop saying "we need the black vote, the Latino vote, the female vote". You actually need the  white centrist vote to win!!! They voted in droves for Obama and Bill Clinton. And perhaps Biden (sort of). The Democratic party needs to be a moderate, centrist party. They are perceived in America as this lefty, woke party that caters to minorities. Guess what, you won't win that way! 

Trump should've been beaten by 10 points on the polls, not 'neck in neck'. Ughhhh

I totally agree, the democrats are partially  responsible for Trump's win 

[Cyber-Raga]

Well it looks like the Republicans are on course to win the House, they won the Senate and the Presidency. Plus unlike 2016 it appears as of now that he will win the popular vote. 
Isolationism, Bigotry, Anti-Choice, Mass-Deportations is what the majority of the Americans want. The Supreme Court has ruled that presidents have full immunity while being in office. Have at it USA. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Again, there are so many issues responsible for her loss. And in the end, people will narrow it down to the economy. Which is super lazy.

Two other deciding factors will not be adressed, the hardly ever are. Racism and misogyny. The U.S. have a huge problem with both. The U.S. society lacks a great deal of development on those issues. Especially misogyny. If the reversal of Roe v. Wade has shown one thing, women in the U.S. have no real lobby. Men in the U.S. don't trust women in power, especially if those women are "better" than their male counterparts. Women in power must have slept their way to the top. Even worse, internalized misogyny by women. Their jealousy on other women is even more detrimental. What comes to my mind is the white middle aged housewife living in a gated community. She talks about crime, she talks about invasion of illegal immigrants, she talks about transgender, she talks about grocery prices, she talks about being pro-life. None of those issues really affect her, the hypocrisy is off the charts. Those housewifes don't vote for a female candidate because the female candidate is the "other woman". The other woman, that has a career, a job she wishes to have. The other woman she fears, her husband is having an affair with because she knows her husband is bored with her because she is only a housewife. The housewife that is sorry for herself, crying about all the chances not used. Those housewifes are retaliating against any female candidate because they are unhappy, living in the prisons they have chosen for themselves. Even if this means voting against her very own interest (which goes for every marginalized group BTW). I have not seen numbers from black and latino men comparing number of votes Hilary vs. Kamala yet. So I will make no conclusions at this point if this is a matter of misogyny. Although there are statistics in regards to gender equailty that show black and brown men have a higher precentage opposing the concept. 

 

[horn]

[JWAD]

RIP USA

Gilead is upon us...

[runa]

56 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:

Well it looks like the Republicans are on course to win the House, they won the Senate and the Presidency. Plus unlike 2016 he it appears as of now that he will win the popular vote. 
Isolationism, Bigotry, Anti-Choice, Mass-Deportations is what the majority of the Americans want. The Supreme Court has ruled that presidents have full immunity while being in office. Have at it USA. 

Yeah, I mean, let the shit show begins.

In the next two years, he’ll do whatever the fuck he wants and no one will be able to stop him. No one.

[AlvaroLiam]

Well, here comes the return of Madame X.

[jjmor95]

Disgusted. I just can’t believe this. 

Our governor-elect is also a Trump supporter. Can’t imagine a worse combo for the next 4 years. It’s going to take us years to recover from that floating island of garbage comment. 

Deleted my X account, Elon Musk can fuck off.

[Genevieve Vavance]

Madame Y 

[Icykiller]

I haven't been to the US since 2019, when I lived in Tucson for about five years. And not going anytime soon now it seems 

And yes, soemone mentioned there is no left politics there. True. The closest is Bernie Sanders, but US folk are too scared of leftist ideas. Sad. 

A big hug to everyone over there. And to all my fellow Mexicanos. Hard times ahead negotiating with the idiot.

[headonfire]

Why did Kamala’s camp think bringing out all those celebs would help her? 

That was foolish.

Of course not the reason she lost, but it didn’t get her any votes, and just helped drive the MAGA narrative of establishment vs. us.

[idro]

43 minutes ago, AlvaroLiam said:

Well, here comes the return of Madame X.

Hope so

[ULIZOS]

I don’t want to sound insensitive to what you are all feeling, but it was so obvious Trump was going to win. 
 

[Confessit]

Just now, ULIZOS said:

I don’t want to sound insensitive to what you are all feeling, but it was so obvious Trump was going to win. 
 

Yeh it was obvious to me as well I’ve been saying it for a while now 

[MadFan]

I mean, people are waking up and realizing that there needs to be change. Whether that happens under Trump or not. Obama did not fulfill his campaign promises, letting minorities and the working class down. On top of so many other issues and the DNC not understanding that the people don't want these establishment Dems, or celeb endorsements, and this is why we are where we are.

DNC needs a complete overhaul, all new people and more progressives who will fight for the working class. Get rid of Pelosi, the Obamas, the Clintons, Kamala, Biden. There's a reason why previous Republican presidents and nominees don't associate with him, because their party has changed to speak to the American people. The DNC needs their Trump moment tbh, a populist who knows how to speak to the common people.

[ULIZOS]

4 minutes ago, Confessit said:

Yeh it was obvious to me as well I’ve been saying it for a while now 

Honestly… what was Harris’ and the Democratic Party’s vision this time around? Abortion, not being Trump, and proud support of Israel’s genocide? 

[Confessit]

1 minute ago, ULIZOS said:

Honestly… what was Harris’ and the Democratic Party’s vision this time around? Abortion, not being Trump, and proud support of Israel’s genocide? 

They should have got rid of Biden last year and then she would have had a whole year to campaign.

Oh well lessons learned hopefully