2024 U.S. Presidential Election

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

3 hours ago, Confessit said:

Totally agree.

And it’s absolutely madness when you think about it in terms of what’s at stake here, that people are backing Dumb.

But the fact of the matter is there are many people that are turning away from Biden because he is on his knees when he appears in public and that’s the image everyone remembers.

I mean Americans are raised to believe they are the ultimate power in the world, they aspire to strong leadership it’s in the fabric of the constitution it’s actively promoted.

That plays a pivotal role and even when you are up against someone as vile and openly corrupt as Dumb you are still losing because you can’t cut it in debates.

Biden is a candle flame against Dumbs searchlight.

And I think it will go down in the history books that it lost him a second term in office.

In my country the U.K. Thatcher lasted as long as she did because she was so strong in public. She wiped the floor with many you very rarely got the better of her.

But she was a vile politician and the same as Dumb racist sexiest homophobic but she lasted and had support becuase she appeared so strong against a weak appearing opposition.

The public don’t want mice in charge.

 

This! Just can't be said enough the degree of awfulness & damage Biden caused last Thurs. Absolutely perfect shit storm/as dire of a performance as one could have been at the absolute worst possible time. Even a very well award winning political movie couldn't have made this seem 'realistic'. But it was. Trump and his thugs don't even need deep/cheap fakes anymore lol or leaked e-mails etc etc.... Just simply replay parts of the debate 24/7 in all the swing states! Lethal and no will NOT be 'forgotten' after a couple news cycles. 

Plus, most of if not all of the terms were decided by BIDEN himself! Super slim hope here is that this debacle did NOT happen in Sept. (when most US debates occur) but the end of June. Still, not much time at all. I'm actually hoping atp his #s collapse the next week or so. As in the ground opens so Dems are FORCED to get crafty and make a change by August!! TOO fng much at stake unlike any other US election is history ESP. w/ the new horrific Supreme Court ruling yesterday.  

[Confessit]

1 minute ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

This! Just can't be said enough the degree of awfulness & damage Biden caused last Thurs. Absolutely perfect shit storm/as dire of a performance as one could have been at the absolute worst possible time. Even a very well award winning political movie couldn't have made this seem 'realistic'. But it was.

Plus, most of if not all of the terms were decided by BIDEN himself! Super slim hope here is that this debacle did NOT happen in Sept. (when most US debates occur) but the end of June. Still, not much time at all. I'm actually hoping atp his #s collapse the next week or so. As in the ground opens so Dems are FORCED to get crafty and make a change by August!! TOO fng much at stake unlike any other US election is history ESP. w/ the new horrific Supreme Court ruling yesterday.  

It’s like that age old saying…..

you’re only as good as your last performance 

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

^ yep. Esp in a country like the US where most people are low info. voters, non critical thinking & attention spans of fruit flies. Even if not, again, debate was red fire alarm level of bad lol. He's aged inside and out 15 years in barely 4. Man is seriously UNwell. And the fact it's now going on 5 days later and he and his team haven't forcefully come out w/ pressers, major prime time interviews, 60 Minutes etc etc..& by their actions it's like the debate never happened + the cringe statements (eg: 'we all have bad debates', 'was only 1 night' ) only compounding the damage not just to Biden but *down ballot too. Personally, I and many others find it offensive and Maga-esque (telling us to ignore our eyes and ears) like we're idiots.

I know if it was a pre Maga sane, reasonable Republican like McCain or Romney I myself would absolutely strongly consider them over Biden. Think of how many people are simply in the F it mode now. (not voting for Trump) but just staying home. Ya, even w/ Democracy on the line.   

[Confessit]

9 minutes ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

^ yep. Esp in a country like the US where most people are low info. voters, non critical thinking & attention spans of fruit flies. Even if not, again, debate was red fire alarm level of bad lol. He's aged inside and out 15 years in barely 4. Man is seriously UNwell. And the fact it's now going on 5 days later and he and his team haven't forcefully come out w/ pressers, major prime time interviews, 60 Minutes etc etc..& by their actions it's like the debate never happened + the cringe statements (eg: 'we all have bad debates', 'was only 1 night' ) only compounding the damage not just to Biden but *down ballot too. Personally, I and many others find it offensive and Maga-esque (telling us to ignore our eyes and ears) like we're idiots.

I know if it was a pre Maga sane, reasonable Republican like McCain or Romney I myself would absolutely strongly consider them over Biden. Think of how many people are simply in the F it mode now. (not voting for Trump) but just staying home. Ya, even w/ Democracy on the line.   

 

[Camacho]

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

6 hours ago, Confessit said:

I would guess no countries have election day on a Sunday.

Because historically it’s a religious day (still religious in some countries).

 

In Germany all elections are always on a Sunday. And I think our neighbouring countries (Austria, Poland) have it on Sunday as well. France? Isn't their current election on Sunday as well. My impression was it is always on a Sunday because I always only remember Sunday Evening News on TV when there are reports in countries. Usually always the first news of the evening. 

Of course, people use absentee voting by mail alot and they also have the chance to vote several days in advance at certain public offices when then know they will not be able to cast their vote on Sunday. 

Another weird thing about U.S. elections: you have to register to vote. In my country citizens basically get in "invitation", a document that tells you about the date and the place you can vote and of course information about your legal rights (absentee voting ...), that you have to bring your ID card or your passport for identification. Since all German citizens and Foreign citizens staying longer than 30 days in Germany are required to register at a residents registration office with their respective home adress and the very same office has data about children born and people died, there is basically no chance for illegal voting. By dead people or immigrants or whatever MAGA people claim. But I guess if they try that ID thing in the U.S. they will all cry about their so called freedom. 

[Confessit]

3 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

In Germany all elections are always on a Sunday. And I think our neighbouring countries (Austria, Poland) have it on Sunday as well. France? Isn't their current election on Sunday as well. My impression was it is always on a Sunday because I always only remember Sunday Evening News on TV when there are reports in countries. Usually always the first news of the evening. 

Of course, people use absentee voting by mail alot and they also have the chance to vote several days in advance at certain public offices when then know they will not be able to cast their vote on Sunday. 

Another weird thing about U.S. elections: you have to register to vote. In my country citizens basically get in "invitation", a document that tells you about the date and the place you can vote and of course information about your legal rights (absentee voting ...), that you have to bring your ID card or your passport for identification. Since all German citizens and Foreign citizens staying longer than 30 days in Germany are required to register at a residents registration office with their respective home adress and the very same office has data about children born and people died, there is basically no chance for illegal voting. By dead people or immigrants or whatever MAGA people claim. But I guess if they try that ID thing in the U.S. they will all cry about their so called freedom. 

Oh wow I never knew this I would never of expected it to be on a Sunday due to religious reasons.

You learn something new everyday!

That is odd here in the U.K. you automatically get invited to vote as well you don’t register.

You have to bring ID as well I think there’s too much fraud around now not to have ID shown at voting booths.

[jonski43]

4 hours ago, Confessit said:

Oh wow I never knew this I would never of expected it to be on a Sunday due to religious reasons.

You learn something new everyday!

That is odd here in the U.K. you automatically get invited to vote as well you don’t register.

You have to bring ID as well I think there’s too much fraud around now not to have ID shown at voting booths.

The whole fraud thing is apparently very low but the Tories brought in the ID thing because it would more likely deter left voting voters. 

As for Biden, looks like he will get the push but is Harris a strong enough candidate to take on Bush?

[Confessit]

Just now, jonski43 said:

The whole fraud thing is apparently very low but the Tories brought in the ID thing because it would more likely deter left voting voters. 

As for Biden, looks like he will get the push but is Harris a strong enough candidate to take on Bush?

I don’t think it’s that low in this age so I do understand why they need to see ID.

And it was massively supported by voters in a lot of polls when introduced.

And they accept many forms now but just passports and birth certificates for those people.

They accept biometrics now as well as some forms of ID cards.

I work in Universal Credit and the amount of benefit fraud is huge as is financial fraud in this country so I understand the move for protection.

As for Biden, he’s left it very late if he’s going to go he needs to go right now.

Otherwise there’s not enough time to establish a new leader/candidate.

[LSD]

There can only be a clean handoff of the Biden campaign's ballot access and fundraising to Harris, if it isn't Biden it has to be her. It's really too late for anything else, another candidate will have to start without any money and Republican lawyers might be able to keep them off swing state ballots entirely

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Biden is not even the official nominee of the Democratic Party. Therefore he is not on any ballot yet. This seems like pure gaslighting. An attempt to confuse the voters even further. The candidate is chosen at the Democratic Convention. How do they want to keep someone off a ballot that was legally chosen? 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

BTW, I am quite annoyed by the fact that there seem to be no journalists in the U.S. that do a proper investigation into the people behind Trump, behind Project 2025. In the end Trump as dangerous as he is, he is also a puppet and someone else, even more dangerous is pulling the strings in the background. What about that Mellon Guy? 

[runa]

On 7/2/2024 at 11:27 AM, Camacho said:

 

This guy is soooooo right

[Cyber-Raga]

Unfortunately, he is right. 

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

Not a 'fan' of Harris but she's at least *coherent, can string sentences together, ruthless w/ precision laying down WHAT the fuq is at stake. She shines when it comes to calling out the thuggery and shenanigan's of MAGA. You need someone at this time (TOP of the ticket) who excels slicing and dicing these hacks & thugs. Her biggest flaws/issues are all the off the cuff, casual interviews. The cackling and awkward demeanor really cringe. Not a good 'politician' but damn good lawyer & they gotta MAX that out now w/ barely 4 months. 

Biden is basically INcapable of doing ANY of that. On a good day he's a relic politician living in 1995 era lala land. It's almost a WEEK later. How the F don't you forcefully *counter the 24/7 media decimating and narrative. Say what you will about the media which most people dislike (yes, they reeally need to get on Project 2025 w/ *more urgency than the damn debate) but he's not proving them & their concerns 'wrong' right?!

Dude is full living care facility mode atp who keeps getting lost on his way to the bathroom even tho he's been to it 500 x.   

[ashtangi74]

Hope Madonna becomes more outspoken politically and comes out with a vid to show support for the democrats.

[runa]

Serious question : 
I need to understand the narrative "Not a fan of Harris".
I see many people saying, but I don't know and I don't understand why. 

Why is she so disliked? That's her personnality? Her achievements?

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

26 minutes ago, runa said:

Serious question : 
I need to understand the narrative "Not a fan of Harris".
I see many people saying, but I don't know and I don't understand why. 

Why is she so disliked? That's her personnality? Her achievements?

Terrible orator, comes across unserious/frivolous, verry awkward, clunky demeanor & ya the f'ng cackling! Turns a LOT of people off. But things are so AWFUL rn w/ that ticket that you gotta dig really deep esp. if Harris is the only one who'd 'inherit' all  the campaign funds and apparatus. Biden simply is unable cognitively to make the case! He's a deflated lame duck walking atp. She at least can string sentences together effectively at x!    

[Blue Skies]

30 minutes ago, runa said:

Serious question : 
I need to understand the narrative "Not a fan of Harris".
I see many people saying, but I don't know and I don't understand why. 

Why is she so disliked? That's her personnality? Her achievements?

I think a lot of people view her as a product of identity politics.  
 

Im just saying 

[KalamazooJay]

Harris is logistically, legally, and practically the only viable option we have. But only IF Biden chooses to step down on his own. Which is looking (tragically) increasingly unlikely. There isn’t going to be a white knight that gallops in to save the Dems from their own self immolation. She’s the VP, she’s constitutionally next in line to the presidency. This is the way it is.
 

What I find so insulting is the gaslighting coming from hierarchy of the Democratic establishment. As if we didn’t see what we saw at that debate. As is we haven't seen the slow decline in Biden since he took office. They did with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. They did it with Diane Feinstein. They told us Hillary was the best option in 2016 when SCORES of us were saying she wasn’t. The fact that those governors went out on live television yesterday to say that Biden was “JUST FINE! He’s IN IT TO WIN IT!” just makes me nauseous. It’s evident he’s being propped up by a cadre of people drunk on their own personal political power. 
 

I thought Republicans were masters at as gaslighting but it’s becoming apparent Dems are pretty good at doing to their own voters to retain power. And those chickens are going to come home to roost when Biden loses an entirely winnable election against a corrupt fascist that ALSO shouldn’t be running for president again and should be in prison. 
 

The whole thing is sickening. 

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

2 hours ago, Blue Skies said:

I think a lot of people view her as a product of identity politics.  
 

Im just saying 

THIS. Of course. Timing of her selection was peak DEI (Summer 2020) he basically HAD to pick her. I'll never forget she was considered an instant shoe in but there were all these 'delays' & leaks coming out from his senior advisory team of concern about her w/ the vetting & way she conducted herself. When they asked about how and why she called Biden out at the debate she kept hysterically laughing and saying 'it's politics!' or something very similar & cringe. No depth or self reflection. And word (very credibly) was that Biden and his team DID want Whitmer & maybe Amy Klobachar. If so, may have been a lethal decision (now) but *then absolutely full get why she was picked. Day 1 I always thought SHE (not Merrick Garland) would've been the killer, effective AG we needed. 

[Nikki]

11 hours ago, ashtangi74 said:

Hope Madonna becomes more outspoken politically and comes out with a vid to show support for the democrats.

It's strange that she's been so quiet in regard to politics since last year.. she used to be the first to speak on these issues. (I get that the Israel and Gaza war is more complex seeing as her manager is Israeli and she's into the Kabbalah..) but not even US politics? so weird, no?

I did notice she followed RFK jr. a month ago..

[Kurt420]

Before last week, I was in the camp that thought it was going to be tight but Biden will pull it off. After the debate, it's pretty evident that barring some sort of miracle, Trump will win (still hoping for a 2016 type shocker). With that said, I also don't think it's practical AT ALL to replace Biden when we're 4 months out from the election. People make it sound like it's such a simple thing (I don't disagree that it SHOULD be simpler but the fact is it's not). Do we go back to square one and hope for the best with a new candidate? Or keep what we have and hope for the best? Oh...and let's throw another obstacle in.....IF Biden chooses to step down or is forced out in some way, the Republicans have made it clear that they will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening.  

I have to say though, amidst all this chaos, the most upsetting thing of all is that it's become evident how desensitized we are to Trump. The fact that he's been granted immunity to the point that basically would make him a King is just swept under the rug and treated with a big . The fact that many of the Republicans that now suck on his nuts were once that ones that screamed how dangerous and incompetent he is, is just swept under the rug. Virtually nobody is screaming at the top of their lungs for HIM to be replaced as they are with Biden. Look, I'm not dismissing Biden's cognitive decline or the legitimacy of addressing that in some way but the fact that everyone just seems either fully on board or indifferent at best (on BOTH SIDES) about someone who literally says they will be dictator on day one (and has shown behavior to support that) is fucking revolting to me. Sometimes I wonder if Americans are worthy of Democracy, perhaps we NEED a hard lesson to understand that it's not just a built in guarantee. 

 

[mtzlplk]

The DEMS had four years to look for a viable candidate and they didn't. BIDEN will be 82 when he starts his second term if elected... Did they really think Biden's senility will not show in televised debates and would scare voters? if they lose this November it would be through their own doing.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

39 minutes ago, mtzlplk said:

The DEMS had four years to look for a viable candidate and they didn't. BIDEN will be 82 when he starts his second term if elected... Did they really think Biden's senility will not show in televised debates and would scare voters? if they lose this November it would be through their own doing.

Sorry, U.S, citizens will not get away with this lame excuse. The options are very clear. And if the U.S. ends up with Trump and will slide into fascism, the only ones to blame are U.S. voters. People should take a step back and just look at the ideas that are presented to them, not the candidates. This should make the choice very easy. Every democrat or independent who votes for Trump or does not vote because Biden is too old or whatever other minor reason they have, is complicit for all what's to come. Don't complain when your so called freedoms will be lost. And don't come up with "but we didn't know" or "it's not going to be that bad". All the information is out there. Republicans do not even try to hide it. You still believe in laws, in the constituation? You think the Supreme Court will reign in? As someone said on TV today, Project 2025 has 900 pages with a lot of things it adresses. Nowhere in this document you will find anything regarding the Supreme Court. Why? Because they already have them in the bag. As seen in basically all recent rulings

I know people are not happy with Bidens appearance and criticism is warranted. BUT considering the situation, the alternative, it pisses me off that many people act like spoiled children who were not given their favourite toy on Christmas. Considering what's at stake, such infantile behaviour is completely unacceptable. People need to grow up.

[Martin B.]

5 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Sorry, U.S, citizens will not get away with this lame excuse. The options are very clear. And if the U.S. ends up with Trump and will slide into fascism, the only ones to blame are U.S. voters. People should take a step back and just look at the ideas that are presented to them, not the candidates. This should make the choice very easy. Every democrat or independent who votes for Trump or does not vote because Biden is too old or whatever other minor reason they have, is complicit for all what's to come. Don't complain when your so called freedoms will be lost. And don't come up with "but we didn't know" or "it's not going to be that bad". All the information is out there. Republicans do not even try to hide it. You still believe in laws, in the constituation? You think the Supreme Court will reign in? As someone said on TV today, Project 2025 has 900 pages with a lot of things it adresses. Nowhere in this document you will find anything regarding the Supreme Court. Why? Because they already have them in the bag. As seen in basically all recent rulings

I know people are not happy with Bidens appearance and criticism is warranted. BUT considering the situation, the alternative, it pisses me off that many people act like spoiled children who were not given their favourite toy on Christmas. Considering what's at stake, such infantile behaviour is completely unacceptable. People need to grow up.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

3 hours ago, Nikki said:

I did notice she followed RFK jr. a month ago..

Seriously? Why? This man is an idiot. And and anti vaxxer. Well, didn't she follow several conspiracy tellers during Covid? That so called doctor from Atlanta. I truly hope she doesn't see anything in him. If so, she must have lost her common sense. A Covid side effect?

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

1 hour ago, mtzlplk said:

The DEMS had four years to look for a viable candidate and they didn't. BIDEN will be 82 when he starts his second term if elected... Did they really think Biden's senility will not show in televised debates and would scare voters? if they lose this November it would be through their own doing.

Agree!! Split second he announced his 're-election'  was like WTAF, RBG 2.0. Hard NO   BUT, ya, no shit - it's between a seedy city roach, maniacal, dirt bag or a 100 yr old oak tree covered in crap. At least the tree is just laying there & stinky but will have competent people around to spray Lysol & Fabreez & make it semi less stinky or deadly. 

[runa]

10 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Seriously? Why? This man is an idiot. And and anti vaxxer. Well, didn't she follow several conspiracy tellers during Covid? That so called doctor from Atlanta. I truly hope she doesn't see anything in him. If so, she must have lost her common sense. A Covid side effect?

She even shared one of his conspiracy story on Insta, once, before deleting it. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

4 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

Harris is logistically, legally, and practically the only viable option we have. But only IF Biden chooses to step down on his own. Which is looking (tragically) increasingly unlikely. There isn’t going to be a white knight that gallops in to save the Dems from their own self immolation. She’s the VP, she’s constitutionally next in line to the presidency. This is the way it is.
 

I don't know what the laws regarding this in the U.S. are but as far as I understand, the presidential candidate will be nominated during the Democratic Convention. So technically it should be very well possible to nominate a different candidate until then or even at the convention. There was a scholar on TV who said that there might be chaos and it has only happened once. In regards to the chaos, I think it could be minimized by the decisions that are made until then in case Biden steps down. This could be even a chance. I don't see why Harris is automatically the candidate if Biden steps down. She is next in line when he is incapable of fulfulling his duties as president. Usually that means the president dies during the presidency. But I think a candidacy is a different matter.