Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, runa said: She even shared one of his conspiracy story on Insta, once, before deleting it. From fucking John John to getting in bed (so speak) with RFK, jr. is a monumental downgrade. Shocking. She is her worst enemy sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 15 minutes ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said: Agree!! Split second he announced his 're-election' was like WTAF, RBG 2.0. Hard NO BUT, ya, no shit - it's between a seedy city roach, maniacal, dirt bag or a 100 yr old oak tree covered in crap. At least the tree is just laying there & stinky but will have competent people around to spray Lysol & Fabreez & make it semi less stinky or deadly. Can we please stop using this kind of language. It's dehumanizing. It's hurtful. It's offensive. Please keep in mind there are people on this board who have a parent or parents of the very same age as Biden. Parents that may deal with all kinds of signs of age. Mentally or physically. Or at least think about how you would feel if someone described you the way you did above. I doubt you will enjoy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamazooJay Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 35 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: Sorry, U.S, citizens will not get away with this lame excuse. The options are very clear. And if the U.S. ends up with Trump and will slide into fascism, the only ones to blame are U.S. voters. People should take a step back and just look at the ideas that are presented to them, not the candidates. This should make the choice very easy. Every democrat or independent who votes for Trump or does not vote because Biden is too old or whatever other minor reason they have, is complicit for all what's to come. Don't complain when your so called freedoms will be lost. And don't come up with "but we didn't know" or "it's not going to be that bad". All the information is out there. Republicans do not even try to hide it. You still believe in laws, in the constituation? You think the Supreme Court will reign in? As someone said on TV today, Project 2025 has 900 pages with a lot of things it adresses. Nowhere in this document you will find anything regarding the Supreme Court. Why? Because they already have them in the bag. As seen in basically all recent rulings I know people are not happy with Bidens appearance and criticism is warranted. BUT considering the situation, the alternative, it pisses me off that many people act like spoiled children who were not given their favourite toy on Christmas. Considering what's at stake, such infantile behaviour is completely unacceptable. People need to grow up. I PASSIONATELY agree with you. I truly do. It’s wretched to see what could come from another Trump term. However. As stated above, Dems were given a chance to put forth a candidate that would get us to 50 + 1. That’s it. FIFTY PLUS ONE. A candidate that can win. I work with the general public and MANY individuals only voted for Biden in 2020 because he wasn’t Trump. But also because he strongly alluded to serving one term. People are furious with these options and rightfully so. It feels forced. It feels undemocratic. And Dems have been playing with fire with the nomination process since Clinton steamrolled Sanders. Then Biden went and made the corrupt process even more streamlined to benefit him. I am more or less airing my own grievances over all of this and will check the box for Biden when it comes down to it considering the atrocities on the other side. But I hope IF Dems win in November, they do some serious soul searching regarding the “democracy” they claim to want to protect. Because their own nomination process has been anything BUT since 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber-Raga Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Harris is a great debater but also yes an awful orator/public speaker. Good enough though to wipe the floor in a debate with the wannabe dictator. Legally she is the only one who could inherit and use the DNC campaign money and fund a potential presidential campaign for herself if Biden decides to drop out of the race. Anyone else could not because the donations were given to the Biden/Harris campaign. So replacing him with any wet dream candidate comes with major obstacles which are not benign. Having said that, I do not believe he will be replaced. The RNC also stands by their candidate who is a convicted felon by now for crying out loud, He is only three years younger than Biden and clearly is overweight. The Republicans stand in line, they are holding the line. Eyes on the prize. Leave it to democrats to fuck it up thanks to in-house fighting and being distracted. So as @Raider of the lost Ark already mentioned, the choice is clear. Do you vote for pro democracy or fascism? And if you wish to sit this one out or even vote for orange Mussolini or a third party candidate then the US deserves what is coming to them, a fascist - or at least autocratic state. Good luck being gay, a person of color, a woman or someone who opposes the party line. But sure let's concentrate on Biden's age or a fictional fantasy candidate who will not show up in the last minute to save us. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svperstar Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. In any state of mind, Trump is gonna destroy us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorMarques Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 34 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said: Harris is a great debater but also yes an awful orator/public speaker. Good enough though to wipe the floor in a debate with the wannabe dictator. Legally she is the only one who could inherit and use the DNC campaign money and fund a potential presidential campaign for herself if Biden decides to drop out of the race. Anyone else could not because the donations were given to the Biden/Harris campaign. So replacing him with any wet dream candidate comes with major obstacles which are not benign. Having said that, I do not believe he will be replaced. The RNC also stands by their candidate who is a convicted felon by now for crying out loud, He is only three years younger than Biden and clearly is overweight. The Republicans stand in line, they are holding the line. Eyes on the prize. Leave it to democrats to fuck it up thanks to in-house fighting and being distracted. So as @Raider of the lost Ark already mentioned, the choice is clear. Do you vote for pro democracy or fascism? And if you wish to sit this one out or even vote for orange Mussolini or a third party candidate then the US deserves what is coming to them, a fascist - or at least autocratic state. Good luck being gay, a person of color, a woman or someone who opposes the party line. But sure let's concentrate on Biden's age or a fictional fantasy candidate who will not show up in the last minute to save us. . Right!!! It's not that hard. Doesn't matter how old, unlikeble or whatever the other choice is, we NEVER vote for fascism, racism, LGBTQphobia, etc. It is a simple choice. And the Biden administration is an administration! Even with he crumbles, are plenty people for the job. Even Kamala, who is the presumptive replacement, is on the way for the house as vice president. How can people want Kamala but don't vote for Biden because he is frail. LOL, it's the easiest way to get Kamala president then! I hope people will not equal facism and dictatorship with advanced age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 6 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: Can we please stop using this kind of language. It's dehumanizing. It's hurtful. It's offensive. Please keep in mind there are people on this board who have a parent or parents of the very same age as Biden. Parents that may deal with all kinds of signs of age. Mentally or physically. Or at least think about how you would feel if someone described you the way you did above. I doubt you will enjoy that. You're just reading words & letting them land the way you choose to. Not saying you're totally wrong. But I know in what context I was saying it. Was simply an analogy of a dire situation. NOT ageist or 'dehumanizing' against Biden himself personally (or *any old person). Bill Maher & other high profile media figures used even more graphic analogies recently. I'm not gonna repeat it because I respect your point. Again, it's about the quality of the 2 choices. But he's still voting for Biden as I already said I'm doing! But this is politics which is ruthless in a verry crucial not just national but world changing election unlike basically any time in history! He was the RIGHT person for 2020 and was/is a good man. Not at all about 'that'. But whether it was him, Jill, family and his team or whoever (likely a mix of them all) it was a verry reckless move to run again. That's what this is all about! Beyond apparent Biden is in cognitive decline...even worse than we thought. THAT is all on Jill and his family. They knew the truth the last 3.5 years. The debate simply showcased/exposed (one of the very few x) he's NOT been in a very safe space, careful, non scripted setting. NOW we know why. They were solely responsible for humiliating him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtangi74 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Are there any Trump supporters on this forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 9 hours ago, runa said: She even shared one of his conspiracy story on Insta, once, before deleting it. well, maybe she's just looking into it.. that said, I still think it's odd that she's so silent in regard to politics lately.. nothing on the French election either.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 7 hours ago, svperstar said: If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. In any state of mind, Trump is gonna destroy us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 7/4/2024 at 6:26 AM, Ciccone's Cheeks said: Not a 'fan' of Harris but she's at least *coherent, can string sentences together, ruthless w/ precision laying down WHAT the fuq is at stake. She shines when it comes to calling out the thuggery and shenanigan's of MAGA. You need someone at this time (TOP of the ticket) who excels slicing and dicing these hacks & thugs. Her biggest flaws/issues are all the off the cuff, casual interviews. The cackling and awkward demeanor really cringe. Not a good 'politician' but damn good lawyer & they gotta MAX that out now w/ barely 4 months. Biden is basically INcapable of doing ANY of that. On a good day he's a relic politician living in 1995 era lala land. It's almost a WEEK later. How the F don't you forcefully *counter the 24/7 media decimating and narrative. Say what you will about the media which most people dislike (yes, they reeally need to get on Project 2025 w/ *more urgency than the damn debate) but he's not proving them & their concerns 'wrong' right?! Dude is full living care facility mode atp who keeps getting lost on his way to the bathroom even tho he's been to it 500 x. Harris have, in my opinion, even slighter chance at winning than Biden. The reason: I don't think USA is choosing a woman otherwise Hilary would have won. Add to that the fact she is from a minority. The public (even US) is still sexist, with a huge chuck also racist (south?). If Biden is replaced, it better be a male democrat (preferably white?) and Harris could still be the vice. Hilary was never liked, but if she wasn't a woman, I think she should have won. She has qualities - like being tuff, that are generally liked in a man, BUT not in a woman. For those reasons I don't see even Michelle Obama winning, if she ever accepted to run, though the polls sofar show she could win. I don't see it though. I d like to see someone like Pete Buttigieg run, but I don't think USA is ready for a gay president yet. He could easily crush Donald though in a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Best reaction video ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolo Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 10 hours ago, svperstar said: If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. In any state of mind, Trump is gonna destroy us. This! It’s why I don’t understand how the age issue is even an issue. At this point it should be clear you’re not voting for the person but the politics. What do people think will happen when Biden dies? It’s truly baffling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 ^ ya saw that. Now even they are going into the Maga gutter and showing more & more what were previously classy, reputable publications degrading themselves (Economist, *NYT & many others). You'd think that cover was a NY Post like RAG- not the Economist! Could make your POINT w/out the grade school, utterly disrespectful UN funny/UN clever cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 39 minutes ago, sotos8 said: So The Economist works overtime for Dump's campaign? What a shitty press the US press has become! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 15 minutes ago, elijah said: So The Economist works overtime for Dump's campaign? What a shitty press the US press has become! the new york times , the boston globe and now the economist are all urging biden to quit ,i don't think they are pro Trump media outlets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorMarques Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 12 minutes ago, sotos8 said: the new york times , the boston globe and now the economist are all urging biden to quit ,i don't think they are pro Trump media outlets I get that they have the right to urge Biden to quit. But why they're not making the same for Trump, who is a real threat to democracy? Why his speech against woman, black people, LGBTQ+ community is not on the covers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, VictorMarques said: I get that they have the right to urge Biden to quit. But why they're not making the same for Trump, who is a real threat to democracy? Why his speech against woman, black people, LGBTQ+ community is not on the covers? Right or wrong and it's obv. verrry wrong his sh*t is ALL baked in. And only would help him! Like it did in 2016. Who in his rapid fully crazed cult base in gonna be swayed by any of those publications, media etc...lol Part of their dark, twisted 'ideology' & brain rot is anti globalist, pro democracy, MSM media outlets of any kind! Ya, NYT has been verry shady since 2016. Nothing really 'new' atp. There's an obvious rot there w/ rogue characters. I'm not a proponent like many on the left now saying that there's this 'coordinated hit job, swarming' on Biden lol Some things I'm reading are vibing left blue Maga- esque conspiracies. It's just his debate was reeally rough. I think (whatever % are truly good actors) overall still outweigh the bad ones. They NEED the Dem. cand. to WIN or their publications are a flimsy 50/50 at best of even still being around after 2025. Don't even wanna go there w/ Trumps 'enemies list'. A bunch of well known reporters on upper tier of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nikki Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 - he should be in talks today with other ppl of the DNC - Im seeing so many anti Biden & Harris videos from "sky news Australia".. I know there's the Rupert Murdoch connection, but still.. - Also, influencers with a huge following on the left should really watch out with what they're saying. James Charles criticised Joe biden for "not fixing roe v wade" (which makes no sense), which resulted in a ton of young people now being against biden too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 17 hours ago, svperstar said: If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. Yep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamazooJay Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 18 hours ago, svperstar said: If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. In any state of mind, Trump is gonna destroy us. Well he has to actually MAKE it to a second term first. Which is pretty unlikely at this point. I, like many of you, will vote for him. But I think a lot of you are missing the point that there are millions of others who see a feeble old fool when they see Biden and are willing to hold their nose to vote for someone who gaslights them into thinking he created the 'best economy the U.S has ever seen'. I don't agree that if he were to step down that it'd be a mess. I think it would create a groundswell of excitement among the base if he passed it on to Harris - who could create an enormous buzz with her own running mate. Imagine the press if this were to happen. Trump NEEDS Biden, folks. Without him, the Dems are better able to expose him for the tyrant he's aiming to be without all the focus being on Biden's age and mental capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Nikki said: - he should be in talks today with other ppl of the DNC - Im seeing so many anti Biden & Harris videos from "sky news Australia".. I know there's the Rupert Murdoch connection, but still.. - Also, influencers with a huge following on the left should really watch out with what they're saying. James Charles criticised Joe biden for "not fixing roe v wade" (which makes no sense), which resulted in a ton of young people now being against biden too. Aand *that's where a strong, crisp, clear, cognitively robust, leader w/ the stamina would FORCEFULLY be out there to call out all these horsesh!t lies & trolls across the board to effectively counter IT. It's all the LACK of any of those absolutely essential things rn & last 3.5 years that people are NOT as oblivious to a lot of his feckless advisors (yet arrogant) admin. 'may' think. Unless, again, (& no reason for it to stop) he's simple INCAPABLE of doing it lol. He's not at the top of my personal lists for many reasons but objectively a Gavin Newsom would effectively be able steamroll & flush the hosing of lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 And if you notice (only now...today) Trump starting to rant about Project 2025. He *only does that (goes full denial and defensive rantings) when internal news, data, #s etc...they have that we don't (yet) shows word IS getting out about that. And highly likely what they're seeing= most likely not at all good. (more and more people become aware of it). NO coincidence Trump was completely mute both about the debate for several days AND Project 2025 for months. Vibe shift now that he and his campaign are already moving onto either Harris or 'unknown candidate'. They def. DO want (& fully expected it to be Biden). Not now. NO campaign even a thuggy one like Trumps wants an unknown. A week ago they were in full control chilling because they won a verry important battle but not the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 41 minutes ago, KalamazooJay said: Well he has to actually MAKE it to a second term first. Which is pretty unlikely at this point. I, like many of you, will vote for him. But I think a lot of you are missing the point that there are millions of others who see a feeble old fool when they see Biden and are willing to hold their nose to vote for someone who gaslights them into thinking he created the 'best economy the U.S has ever seen'. I don't agree that if he were to step down that it'd be a mess. I think it would create a groundswell of excitement among the base if he passed it on to Harris - who could create an enormous buzz with her own running mate. Imagine the press if this were to happen. Trump NEEDS Biden, folks. Without him, the Dems are better able to expose him for the tyrant he's aiming to be without all the focus being on Biden's age and mental capabilities. I agree , unfortunately across the world Biden is not known for his politics but due to his condition .It's not his fault he is old and frail .POTUS is every other day on the news and not for a good reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 I hope you realize that Trump, Republican, Murdoch are playing the very exact game of 2016. Remember when Hillary had some minor health issues and all the Murdoch media was running stories she was dying all to raise questions about her ability to run the country. No one was talking about policies anymore. Do you hear anyone talking policies now? Well, as mentioned above, Project 2025 is finally getting some traction in the media and people start to pay attention. Just wait, in a few days all right wing media will come up with further personal stories about Biden to distract people from taking a closer look. By the way, I highly recommend the channel "I've had it" on Youtube. Those two women are simply amazing. I bet millions of people are just as annoyed and frustrated as they are. Not only is everything they say based on facts, they have a way to discuss those issues that is wonderfully entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelheart Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 16 hours ago, Nikki said: well, maybe she's just looking into it.. that said, I still think it's odd that she's so silent in regard to politics lately.. nothing on the French election either.. Maybe she just doesn't care about politics anymore? She's probably over it all like the rest of us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 On 7/4/2024 at 9:01 PM, svperstar said: If Biden dies during a second term, he's filled his cabinet with competent politicians to take over. That's more than enough to keep me from panicking about his age or his so-called mental clarity. In any state of mind, Trump is gonna destroy us. This is the most well put and concise post on this subject. In the end this is what it boils down to. People have two choices: a strongman gov't or democracy. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Madonna and my god *where is Michelle Obama?!!! Was pretty non stop for Hillary. ya, even w/ her infamous misreading of the room botched statement 'when they go low we go high' she's still IT even slightly above Barack himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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