Confessit Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Raider of the lost Ark said: He claims a bullet hit his ear. This is already questioned. If anything he was rather hit by ricochet or fragments. If a bullet had hit his ear, the wounds would look quite different. Also, from what can be seen on TV is not neccessarily what happened. For instance, you can see he touches his cap, his ear when the shots are fired. Before he ducks down for cover you can see the hand he touched his cap, his ear with. What you don't see is blood on the hand which is strange because ears are heavily vascularized, which means there should be lots of blood. At this point nothing should be taken at face value. Yes that’s what I meant actually when I said he was shot not an actual bullet but fragments that caught his ear, I should of been more specific. There are many first hand witness accounts coming out now from the 100s of people there that saw the blood and it happening. From the footage I’ve seen and the accounts that are now flooding through I believe it’s genuine. I appreciate where you are coming from but to my eyes I think he was caught in live open fire from a shooter. Thats how it appears to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I have said it before, MAGA should not be surprised that all those conspiracies will pop up now that this was orchestrated. This is not a one way street. Looking at the situation, people should ask themselves the maybe most important question "Who benefits the most from this?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Confessit Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 10 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: I have said it before, MAGA should not be surprised that all those conspiracies will pop up now that this was orchestrated. This is not a one way street. Looking at the situation, people should ask themselves the maybe most important question "Who benefits the most from this?" Conspiracies are to be expected and I fully understand why. Trump is corrupt, openly so in some ways. And no doubt this will benefit him and the campaign. But it appears to me to be a real attempt to hurt him. I don’t think he would agree to hurting himself for the glory of staging an heroic survivor of an assassination attempt. I could be wrong the blood might be fake everyone might be in on it and lives were maybe sacrificed to fake it. I think we will agree to disagree and no doubt there’s a lot more to come out on this story… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Here is another theory: If this wasn't an inside job, the shooter himself is most likely MAGA. His plan was never to assasinate Trump. It was purely incidential that Trump was hit with ricochet or fragments. His plan was to kill participants of the rally to create a situation for Trump to come out as some sort of martyr and knowing that Americans have this very unhealthy tradition to rally around the flag, here Trump, it would benefit Trump and MAGA greatly. If they search the shooters apartment they will find Antifa material or information from the Democratic Party. There will be a manifesto as well. But all of it will be over the top, which will have alarm bells ringing that none of this is genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 16 minutes ago, Camacho said: And on TV you have Republican polticians telling everyone to lower down the hostility. The level of hypocrisy is on unprecedented levels considering it was MAGA, the Republican Party that created that mess. But we know already, taking responsibility is not a strenght of MAGA or Republicans. They, like Scott Jennings on CNN already blame Democrats because of them telling voters about Project 2025 and claiming Trump wants to end democracy in the U.S. The audacity of Democrats to issue a warning about a potentional threat, especially when Trump himself "fantazized" about being a dictator if re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Heat Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Didn’t Regan become more popular after his assassination attempt? He wanted to “Make America Great Again” too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Okay...WHO (even a raging sociopath, narcissist like him) after supposedly getting almost 'assassinated ' instantly navigates into/semi thinks do the tough guy 'fist in the air', & while saying 'fight'?!! Wtaf? You're in raging primal, survival mode. Plus, all those nearly exquisite 1960s looking Life Magazine-esque verry professional, sleek photos *perfectly shot & angled with the US Flag etc...w/ the 'blood marks' on his face. Minute by minute reeking from yet another epic troll, distraction, GRIFT. Just as the debate 24/7 MSM hysteria was FINALLY slowing down (& Biden #s not collapsing). Suspect ah...all this. They're gonna make gazillions from those pics on shirts & merchandise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nightshade Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I don't think it was staged. But I am also not sure this will help him a great deal. He was pretty unsympathetic before he was shot. I don't know how many people will change their minds about him, but who knows? It will be pretty dumb to fight for the NRA when the whole reason someone had access to the gun was because of his own policies. Karma? If anything, it gives him more conspiracy webs to spin about the supposed Deep State. We can only hope the GOP takes it overboard and alienates independents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 let's not forget.. and.. the gunman was a registered republican. I've been looking at the reactions from the right (not just the far right) and they're ignoring it and turning this into an online civil war, saying the left are all extremists. in my country "antifa", "links" (the left), and pim Fortuyn are trending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 We live in a very cynical World, when the 1st thing that comes to mind is a conspiracy theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 7 hours ago, Nightshade said: I don't think it was staged. But I am also not sure this will help him a great deal. He was pretty unsympathetic before he was shot. I don't know how many people will change their minds about him, but who knows? It will be pretty dumb to fight for the NRA when the whole reason someone had access to the gun was because of his own policies. Karma? If anything, it gives him more conspiracy webs to spin about the supposed Deep State. We can only hope the GOP takes it overboard and alienates independents. Done deal. Will very quickly get 'reminded' of why they're so bad/ insane lol. Still only mid July. Not a ton of time but in politics esp. this cycle it's a lot of time. Gonna be 20 different news cycles (likely major ones) next 3.5 months. Gonna make the 2016 election look normal, boring & NOT look like a sustained shit storm. What happened to Gaza protests, caravans, debate 9/11-esque hysteria for TWO weeks? Already started fizzling before the 'assassination' lol attempt. Only because it's him I still do NOT fully trust this. Look at the *timing. Watch him wear WWE-esque champion gear w/ that nasty grill of his & the 'blood' on his face tomm-this week at the RNC Convention!! Lemme be wrong but willing to bet that's where this is going. And I'm still not 100% that Pelosi & Obama aren't making power moves behind the scenes right this 2nd to boot Biden! Perfect time since spotlight not on them now. Esp. Pelosi. They know how BAD/weak he is and where this is highly likely going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Some of the commentators or anchors on CNN are so naive. Talking about this being like a healing moment if Trump makes it one. Where have they been the last 12 years? Have they read anything about him or his life? His minions, like the GA Congress Member, are already coming out of the woods to put the blame on Biden. Just wait until the RNC convention takes place coming week. It will be insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 To me it’s a young lad lunatic who genuinely wanted to kill Trump. I just don’t know I know the internet is full of he was a plant God knows. Imaginations are running absolutely wild on this. If it was staged, it came dangerously close to killing him. And the murder of a supporter. The whole thing is horrifying. Gun Control NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyralexxx Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 All the news are reporting "The ex-president of USA was shot...". After this incident, I think he'll be the actual president of USA again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, zephyralexxx said: All the news are reporting "The ex-president of USA was shot...". After this incident, I think he'll be the actual president of USA again... Me too. But personally, I thought he would win against a Biden anyways without this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyralexxx Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Confessit said: Me too. But personally, I thought he would win against a Biden anyways without this. Same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, zephyralexxx said: All the news are reporting "The ex-president of USA was shot...". After this incident, I think he'll be the actual president of USA again... If this was indeed the headline, it would be appropriate. But that is not the headline. The headline is "assasination attempt" and therefore it is turning into fact already. The problem is, we don't know at this point if this was an indeed an assasination attempt. From my knowledge investigation is still going on and the motives of the shooter are not known yet. Trump was hit by something, most definitely not a bullet as he immediately claimed, but who knows if the intend was to kill him. I have already provided a scenario (my second "theory"), that is just as convincing at this point as what is reported as an assasination attempt at the moment. Without knowing about the reasons of the shooter, this incident should be called a "shooting". People rush to conclusions way too fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 4 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: If this was indeed the headline, it would be appropriate. But that is not the headline. The headline is "assasination attempt" and therefore it is turning into fact already. The problem is, we don't know at this point if this was an indeed an assasination attempt. From my knowledge investigation is still going on and the motives of the shooter are not known yet. Trump was hit by something, most definitely not a bullet as he immediately claimed, but who knows if the intend was to kill him. I have already provided a scenario (my second "theory"), that is just as convincing at this point as what is reported as an assasination attempt at the moment. Without knowing about the reasons of the shooter, this incident should be called a "shooting". People rush to conclusions way too fast. I take your point. And I appreciate they are investigating motives and such. But a shooter hitched up and was aiming bullets at Trump that missed him by inches. I totally understand it getting reported as an assassination attempt. If he hadn’t of moved his head or if he was in a different position by a few inches, he would have been shot in the head. And most likely dead. They are the bare bones of what happened he wasn’t there to take tea and biscuits with Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 minutes ago, Confessit said: I take your point. And I appreciate they are investigating motives and such. But a shooter hitched up and was aiming bullets at Trump that missed him by inches. I totally understand it getting reported as an assassination attempt. If he hadn’t of moved his head or if he was in a different position by a few inches, he would have been shot in the head. And most likely dead. They are the bare bones of what happened he wasn’t there to take tea and biscuits with Trump. Look, I obviously know nothing. I wasn't there. I am not involved in the investigation. All I'm doing is running some thoughts. Maybe I have seen too many Hollywood movies that deal with scenarios of assasinations of presidents or political opponents. But are those scenarios really that unlikely? We know by know how rotten U.S. politics is. Furthermore, Hollywood writers etc. have been hired by FBI, CIA etc. many times as advisors. They have a close relationship. Just as the military. They make use of the ideas of Hollywood writers about certain situations that may arise and on the basis of this they develop anti-terror strategies. I'm pretty sure they are investigating the option that the shooter was there to kill some participants of the rally. Basically anyone except Trump. That Trump was hit by something may be purely incidential and was never planned that way. I would like to think the shooter merely targeted the seats behind Trump. Also, I don't know anything about using a gun or shooting something but I would like to argue shooting a target (if he wanted to hit the head, a moving target) over a certain distance requires extensive training? This should be easily figured out. But as far as I know, the shooter used his fathers gun. Do have those guns have specifications related to the owner, which means if someone else uses it, it needs to be modified first otherwise such gun be highly unreliable to hit a target? Again, I have no idea. This may be stupid questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Oh wow, this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 TOLD you absolute pile of troll grifting . Brutally old news, clean cut, no 2nd guessing his sinister shtick for me. (Biden & the media) are his b*itches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 The more information about the shooter comes to light, this appears to be just another mass shooting in the U.S. A guy with mental problems and a gun, trying to make a big impression on his way out. What better way to have a mass shooting at a rally of a presidential candidate. Could have been Biden too, if he was in the area. Therefore this shooting does not appear to have a political background. If this turns out to be true, do we believe Trump will be in favor of gun control now that he has been a victim himself? Absolutely not. If the official findings of the investigation will say it was merely a mass shooting, Trump will not accept the results and claim the DOJ and FBI are rigged because the results do not fit his narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 no way this was staged, trump's reaction is all adrenaline and I wouldn't be surprised if he thought about what he'd do in a situation like this before.. so his reaction isn't that surprising to me.. but the Secret Service have some explaining to do. like others said, from what we know, it looks like this shooter had mental problems and I agree that if Biden was planned to speak instead of trump, he probably would've targeted him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber-Raga Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Thoughts and Prayers… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 10 hours ago, Nikki said: no way this was staged, trump's reaction is all adrenaline and I wouldn't be surprised if he thought about what he'd do in a situation like this before.. so his reaction isn't that surprising to me.. but the Secret Service have some explaining to do. like others said, from what we know, it looks like this shooter had mental problems and I agree that if Biden was planned to speak instead of trump, he probably would've targeted him too. Great points. Ya, (even as others said online, X etc..) he's a such a crazed raging narcissist...like off the rails that even if he got shot in one of his vital organs his pathology is only & ALL about projecting 'strength'. It's why he did that Hitler-esque mad man, rapid rage filled fist in the air (that 2nd time especially). He was NOT gonna go 'down' looking weak for a single second even if in severe pain. You'd never and will never see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I didn´t have dooubtd about trump winning the elections. Now, we all know he is going to win. Unless the Simpson´s prediction happens, and he does this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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