jonski43 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 He had an angry phone conversation with the Danish PM about Greenland saying it was vital for US national security and threatened military action! Now that would really put the cat among the pigeons with Europe. Quote
whyme? Posted January 25 Posted January 25 This to me is one of the most important recent articles everyone should read, from The Atlantic. How a democracy turns into a dictatorship, and how simple and practically legal it really is! How Hitler Dismantled a Democracy in 53 Days https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/ Quote
Kurt420 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 I've just resigned myself to the fact that the country I know is over. Just what's happened this past week.....much less what will happen the next 4 yrs......there's no coming back from this.....at least not in my lifetime most likely. The misinformation machine is so strong, too many people are balls deep into MAGA as evidenced by testimonials of members in this thread discussing their family members. This rot runs very very deep. It's over. Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 well...I really don´t know a lot about internal politics in the USA, but most of the presidents, if not all the presidents in the last decades, have, if we speak of foreign affairs, blood in their hands. I really don´t know what is going to happen, I hope is nothing, but it seems to me that can´t be way worse than the ones before. Again, in foreign affairs. Let´s see what happens. Nothing good, but I wonder if it´s nothing good as always, or worse. Quote
jonski43 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, promise to try said: well...I really don´t know a lot about internal politics in the USA, but most of the presidents, if not all the presidents in the last decades, have, if we speak of foreign affairs, blood in their hands. I really don´t know what is going to happen, I hope is nothing, but it seems to me that can´t be way worse than the ones before. Again, in foreign affairs. Let´s see what happens. Nothing good, but I wonder if it´s nothing good as always, or worse. Trump is the only president that didn't go to war during his presidency in recent times. Even Obama did. The fact that he is such a potential psycho meant some foreign powers decided against any provocative activity. It's also one of the reasons given Hamas decided to agree to a deal. And it was noted that Putin didn't invade Ukraine until Biden came into office. Quote
elijah Posted January 26 Posted January 26 4 hours ago, promise to try said: well...I really don´t know a lot about internal politics in the USA, but most of the presidents, if not all the presidents in the last decades, have, if we speak of foreign affairs, blood in their hands. I really don´t know what is going to happen, I hope is nothing, but it seems to me that can´t be way worse than the ones before. Again, in foreign affairs. Let´s see what happens. Nothing good, but I wonder if it´s nothing good as always, or worse. Europe could be given to Russia or at least divided with Russia. The war could be extended in Europe. WW3 could start. It could get much worse. Quote
acko Posted January 26 Posted January 26 2 hours ago, elijah said: Europe could be given to Russia or at least divided with Russia. The war could be extended in Europe. WW3 could start. It could get much worse. I don't think Europe 'will be given'... At this stage there are still too many factors to be weighed.. But as with any pre war climate.. One 'incident' is all it takes. Another question : what about an American Civil War? Quote
elijah Posted January 26 Posted January 26 8 minutes ago, acko said: I don't think Europe 'will be given'... At this stage there are still too many factors to be weighed.. But as with any pre war climate.. One 'incident' is all it takes. Another question : what about an American Civil War? At this point I m not seeing American Civil War. There is zero opposition to Trump now unlike his first term. He is now experienced (as much as he could be) and probably executing the billionaire's plan. We are probably witnessing what we already saw: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/ As for Europe: hope you are right. Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 hours ago, elijah said: Europe could be given to Russia or at least divided with Russia. The war could be extended in Europe. WW3 could start. It could get much worse. I don´t know, but I don´t think a war could get in middle Europe. I mean,an economical war, that´s for sure, but not a real one. Trump will make European countries pay more to the NATO and that´s going to make their-our economical situation be worse than it is. And I bet a lot of far right politicians will be trying to finish with the union. But a war ala Ucraine? I don´t see it happening. Is easier for me to see an internal civil war in the US Quote
elijah Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, promise to try said: I don´t know, but I don´t think a war could get in middle Europe. I mean,an economical war, that´s for sure, but not a real one. Trump will make European countries pay more to the NATO and that´s going to make their-our economical situation be worse than it is. And I bet a lot of far right politicians will be trying to finish with the union. But a war ala Ucraine? I don´t see it happening. Most here weren't seeing the war in Ukraine until the day it started. Just saying. Hope you are right there would be no new wars and this gets settled. But we will be left to deal with an aggressive Russia and eventually US (attacking Denmark should involve EU), possibly China. EU is obliged to form that EU army. Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Just now, elijah said: Most here weren't seeing the war in Ukraine until the day it started. Just saying. Hope you are right there would be no new wars and this gets settled. But we will be left to deal with an aggressive Russia and eventually US (attacking Denmark should involve EU), possibly China. EU is obliged to form that EU army. I was one of them! and then I realised that the war had been happening for ages! the only info that I had about a problem in Ukraine was because of a Pet shop boys song (London, I don´t know what did they say, but I was like, why do they escape from Ukraine???) if the european union has to create an army, what will happen with the NATO? not that I like it, actually, the opposite, but I can´t imagine US attacking a country that is supposed to be a friend.But they had done worst things in the past... Quote
elijah Posted January 26 Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, promise to try said: I was one of them! and then I realised that the war had been happening for ages! the only info that I had about a problem in Ukraine was because of a Pet shop boys song (London, I don´t know what did they say, but I was like, why do they escape from Ukraine???) if the european union has to create an army, what will happen with the NATO? not that I like it, actually, the opposite, but I can´t imagine US attacking a country that is supposed to be a friend.But they had done worst things in the past... NATO could remain intact in theory, but with Trump in office it will remain theoretic and the EU needs real army like yesterday. Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 14 minutes ago, elijah said: NATO could remain intact in theory, but with Trump in office it will remain theoretic and the EU needs real army like yesterday. It could be. I don´t know,I think I heard him saying before that he didn´t want the USA to pay that much there. It has worked basically as an army of the USA, so that made sense for decades... and about EU needing a real army, could be true, but, then we don´t need the NATO. Quote
elijah Posted January 26 Posted January 26 55 minutes ago, promise to try said: It could be. I don´t know,I think I heard him saying before that he didn´t want the USA to pay that much there. It has worked basically as an army of the USA, so that made sense for decades... and about EU needing a real army, could be true, but, then we don´t need the NATO. Why not? EU army could be incorporated into NATO, in theory. Quote
Raider of the lost Ark Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Can we please stop to pretend as if the USA did or does pay for Europes safety. Every European country does have its own military and is spending large amounts of its GDP for defense. I bet, Donald Trump and many US Americans don't even understand what this 2% "payment" means. I bet, they think countries transfer this amount to some bank account of NATO, when in reality it means this percentage is what countries have to invest into their very own defense. The real funding of NATO is a different thing an funny enough, the USA merely pay 16% of the budget, roughly 570 million per year. The EXACT amount Germany is paying. Furthermore, do peope realize that allied countries that "host" the US military have to pay large parts of the costs of their military bases? Military bases that are hardly ever related to anything in Europe, but will be used for hubs to organize the military engagement of the U.S. in the Middle East and Africa. And maybe we should discuss the fact that NATO is basically a tool for the U.S. to provide U.S. arms manufacturers with new contracts. Those companies make tens of billions of profits from those contracts. Companies that employ tens of thousands of people in the U.S., mainly in red states. Luckily, attitude in NATO is changing and more and more suppliers from the EU or Korea are used, which nowadays produce technically more advanced arms and devices at a more reasonable price. An then there is the question, what is the price tag for military hegemony? How much are the US willing to pay for the support of allies that is needed to keep this hegemony alive? Without those allies, without those bases in foreign countries the US were not be in the position they are, would not have the influence they have, would not be as powerful as they are. Maybe NATO member states should start to talk how the US wish to finance this kind of influence. Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 "As a portion of GDP, Poland (4.1 percent), Estonia (3.4 percent), the US (3.4 percent), Latvia (3.2 percent) and Greece (3.1 percent) spend the most while Spain (1.3 percent), Slovenia (1.3 percent), Luxembourg (1.3 percent), Belgium (1.3 percent) and Canada (1.4 percent) spend the least." So yes, all the states in the NATO pay the NATO,but is not the same amount of percetange of the GDP Quote
promise to try Posted January 26 Posted January 26 33 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: Can we please stop to pretend as if the USA did or does pay for Europes safety. Every European country does have its own military and is spending large amounts of its GDP for defense. I bet, Donald Trump and many US Americans don't even understand what this 2% "payment" means. I bet, they think countries transfer this amount to some bank account of NATO, when in reality it means this percentage is what countries have to invest into their very own defense. The real funding of NATO is a different thing an funny enough, the USA merely pay 16% of the budget, roughly 570 million per year. The EXACT amount Germany is paying. Furthermore, do peope realize that allied countries that "host" the US military have to pay large parts of the costs of their military bases? Military bases that are hardly ever related to anything in Europe, but will be used for hubs to organize the military engagement of the U.S. in the Middle East and Africa. And maybe we should discuss the fact that NATO is basically a tool for the U.S. to provide U.S. arms manufacturers with new contracts. Those companies make tens of billions of profits from those contracts. Companies that employ tens of thousands of people in the U.S., mainly in red states. Luckily, attitude in NATO is changing and more and more suppliers from the EU or Korea are used, which nowadays produce technically more advanced arms and devices at a more reasonable price. An then there is the question, what is the price tag for military hegemony? How much are the US willing to pay for the support of allies that is needed to keep this hegemony alive? Without those allies, without those bases in foreign countries the US were not be in the position they are, would not have the influence they have, would not be as powerful as they are. Maybe NATO member states should start to talk how the US wish to finance this kind of influence. I agree with this second part, but not with the first one, we don´t pay the same.BUt, for some strange reason that I don´t know about, Germandy and the US pay exactly the same Quote
promise to try Posted January 27 Posted January 27 so basically, they will increse taxes, but Eric Trump (who?) things this is unaccectable? Quote
SOON Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Cruel monster. These drugs have been a huge game changer which have massively saved lives and reduced new infections. Quote
Raider of the lost Ark Posted January 28 Posted January 28 38 minutes ago, Camacho said: If this happens, people should bombard Google with user requests that they have something wrong on their map, causing major disruptions to their service. Of course, Mexico should also demand to have the map of Texas etc. changed to America Mexicana. This is all bullshit. And if Google really does it, the EU should simply shut down Google for some days and they will cave in immediately. It's not like there are no other search engines people can use. Quote
ULIZOS Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Trump is such a little bitch. This is all signature moves of an angry little bitch. Quote
svperstar Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Hope none of you are currently in college and on financial aid in this country. He just halted all federal loans and grants. Quote
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