karbatal Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 They are so out of touch with reality that didn’t count on the fact that nowadays traditional media no longer controls the message. Most proofs presented in The Hage by South Africa were social media posts by the Israel army, showing the genocide. The same videos that citizens have seen too. Neither Israel nor USA counted on that. People have seen all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I mean, they think people are stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karbatal Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Colonialism and servilism is the base for this savage capitalism we live. You only need one rebel to change it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karbatal Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I don’t know who she is but she is a Queen!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just a little Twitter account to follow if ur interested, it posts all the celebs who have called for a ceasefire. They range from the mega famous to drag queens. Madonnas name will appear any minute now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Israel citizens surely start understanding that when a psychopath rules the country they will be affected sooner or later too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This genocide completly changed my belief system and what i was raised to believe. It changed my views on the United States most of all but on the west globally. We are the bad guys. That's what i finally realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Roland Barthes said: This genocide completly changed my belief system and what i was raised to believe. It changed my views on the United States most of all but on the west globally. We are the bad guys. That's what i finally realized. Agree. And very evil guys. This genocide made me understand too why millions of people allowed the atrocities of the Nazis. Because they DID NOT CARE. Just like nowadays people don’t care about this disaster. Because they consider Palestinians subhuman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Oh by the way after reading some comments in the NY concert thread I think many members in this forum are complete CUNTS who don’t care about what is happening to Palestine people. Bunch of supremacist racists. I’m completely fed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, karbatal said: Oh by the way after reading some comments in the NY concert thread I think many members in this forum are complete CUNTS who don’t care about what is happening to Palestine people. Bunch of supremacist racists. I’m completely fed up. I understand where you’re coming from. But I think you want people to declare a position one way or another, even Madonna, but not everyone wants to or feels a need to. Some people just want a peaceful resolution and no murder or destruction without being fiercely on one side or another. Can’t we just be anti war and anti conflict without being pro Palestine or pro Israel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 hours ago, karbatal said: Oh by the way after reading some comments in the NY concert thread I think many members in this forum are complete CUNTS who don’t care about what is happening to Palestine people. Bunch of supremacist racists. I’m completely fed up. Stop it. You start going way too far. The debate in the NY concert thread was about Amy Schumers personal comments and if it was clever idea to have her as judge on stage. You (and some others) derailed the topic and people told you there is a separate thread for this (political) topic. People did not share their personal view on the Israeli/Hamas war. It was about Amy Schumers stance and that Madonna should not be dragged into or held accountable for what Amy Schumer said or did. You act like Madonna endorsed Amy Schumers message and as if forum members here did as well. Which is not the case. Now you move here and call forum members cunts and racists although you clearly stated in the NY thread that you are not calling anyone names. I understand people are angry about the situation. But from my view you have taken an extreme position. Your whole communication in recent weeks sounds like the worst MAGA or Qanon people. Especially your constant claim that news are not reporting about the "real" situation in Gaza. Such claim makes my alarm bells ring loudly because this is exactly the narrative of every conspiracy "theorist". "Official" news, mass media is fake and the only "real" news is to be found on Telegram, Twitter etc.. Even more shocking to me, you are a journalist. You should know better. And I remember that your position used to be a completely different one. I wonder what happened to you that you have made a 180. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just wanna add something..Corporate media is fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: Stop it. You start going way too far. The debate in the NY concert thread was about Amy Schumers personal comments and if it was clever idea to have her as judge on stage. You (and some others) derailed the topic and people told you there is a separate thread for this (political) topic. People did not share their personal view on the Israeli/Hamas war. It was about Amy Schumers stance and that Madonna should not be dragged into or held accountable for what Amy Schumer said or did. You act like Madonna endorsed Amy Schumers message and as if forum members here did as well. Which is not the case. Now you move here and call forum members cunts and racists although you clearly stated in the NY thread that you are not calling anyone names. I understand people are angry about the situation. But from my view you have taken an extreme position. Your whole communication in recent weeks sounds like the worst MAGA or Qanon people. Especially your constant claim that news are not reporting about the "real" situation in Gaza. Such claim makes my alarm bells ring loudly because this is exactly the narrative of every conspiracy "theorist". "Official" news, mass media is fake and the only "real" news is to be found on Telegram, Twitter etc.. Even more shocking to me, you are a journalist. You should know better. And I remember that your position used to be a completely different one. I wonder what happened to you that you have made a 180. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Toni Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 This man and his regime seem to think we’re all blind! Here’s a war crime right here, only happened the other day, captured by ITV - I don’t think any of you will disregard this as MAGA style conspiracy theory type of journalism?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 21 hours ago, karbatal said: Oh by the way after reading some comments in the NY concert thread I think many members in this forum are complete CUNTS who don’t care about what is happening to Palestine people. Bunch of supremacist racists. I’m completely fed up. A Bunch of stupid people. I work in news and politics, i laugh hard when i read their two cents on the situation because that's really what it's worth. They are gonna get the president they deserve and best represents them. The orange clown. The west IS dead especially the usa. Me Being read by people who did not even know whom James Baldwin was before Madonna used his imagery and aura to be Seen as an activist. It's like someone wearing a Anne Frank t shirt while going to a neonazi ball in Austria. At least in the 30's people did not have the Access to news we have today, there's no excuse. If they think they intimidante me, think AG ain, they are just nobods on a Madonna forum while i've been fighting Real white supremacists IRL for weeks because they are so braindead they dont see they are the ones siding with qanons since this IS white supremacist colonial War with american and european money. People should stop asking themself what they would have done during wwII because they are doing now exactly what they would have done then. And Madonna IS the one who opened this conversation by bringing that pig on stage, it's a deliberate choice. Thank you @karbatal for not being afraid to speak UP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Roland Barthes said: A Bunch of stupid people. I work in news and politics, i laugh hard when i read their two cents on the situation because that's really what it's worth. They are gonna get the president they deserve and best represents them. The orange clown. The west IS dead especially the usa. Me Being read by people who did not even know whom James Baldwin was before Madonna used his imagery and aura to be Seen as an activist. It's like someone wearing a Anne Frank t shirt while going to a neonazi ball in Austria. At least in the 30's people did not have the Access to news we have today, there's no excuse. If they think they intimidante me, think AG ain, they are just nobods on a Madonna forum while i've been fighting Real white supremacists IRL for weeks because they are so braindead they dont see they are the ones siding with qanons since this IS white supremacist colonial War with american and european money. People should stop asking themself what they would have done during wwII because they are doing now exactly what they would have done then. And Madonna IS the one who opened this conversation by bringing that pig on stage, it's a deliberate choice. Thank you @karbatal for not being afraid to speak UP. And here we go again. A forum member calling other forum members " a buch of stupid people" just to show a victim mentality immediately. You are making assumptions, even severe accusations against forum members. But you, and Karbatal, are the ones attacking members of this forum on a personal level. Not by name of course. In general. Because it is so much easier. And yet you are playing the victim here. No one in here tried to shut down any discussion. So it does not take courage from you or Karbatal to speak up. Karbatal was told to stop his personal attacks. You are just another text book example of someone that very much resembles the attitiude of a mega MAGA or Qanon. Everyone that does not share your opinion is wrong. In reality you don't care about the truth, you don't want to know the truth. You are not interested in an open discussion. All you want at this point is confirmation. I am disgusted, you even dare to come here, to pretend to be this great humanitarian that fights "white supremacists IRL", to lecture us and at the same time you make use of the most deragatory terms, calling people on this forum "stupid" and calling a woman that made a statement that did not fit your narrative a "pig". Let me be frank, you did a disservice to yourself and whatever your cause might be. The irony of it all, you are bascially calling us Nazis, with your reference to WWII and your assumption we would have gladly participated in the atrocities of the Third Reich or at least kept quiet. A ridiculous statement in this very forum with the large majority of members being gay men. You are most definitely aware of the fact that homosexuals were victims of the Nazi regime themselves. And to top it all, you are the one using the dehumanizing language of the Nazis, you are the one trying to intimidate other people with your outrage and your accusations. I have a problem with such kind of behaviour. And that is the reason why I had to speak up. I will not be called "stupid" or "white supremacist". Especially by people who have no idea who I am or what I stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Roland Barthes said: A Bunch of stupid people. I work in news and politics, i laugh hard when i read their two cents on the situation because that's really what it's worth. They are gonna get the president they deserve and best represents them. The orange clown. The west IS dead especially the usa. Me Being read by people who did not even know whom James Baldwin was before Madonna used his imagery and aura to be Seen as an activist. It's like someone wearing a Anne Frank t shirt while going to a neonazi ball in Austria. At least in the 30's people did not have the Access to news we have today, there's no excuse. If they think they intimidante me, think AG ain, they are just nobods on a Madonna forum while i've been fighting Real white supremacists IRL for weeks because they are so braindead they dont see they are the ones siding with qanons since this IS white supremacist colonial War with american and european money. People should stop asking themself what they would have done during wwII because they are doing now exactly what they would have done then. And Madonna IS the one who opened this conversation by bringing that pig on stage, it's a deliberate choice. Thank you @karbatal for not being afraid to speak UP. you are so full of yourself ,it's frightening and how exactly are you fighting the white supremacists ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, sotos8 said: you are so full of yourself ,it's frightening and how exactly are you fighting the white supremacists ? You're frightened ? I actually work as a political journalist, i've been threatened by the french far right, doxxed, etc... i don't talk about a political matter before being sure of what i'm saying and it's what is happening right now that should frighten you. Not my opinions. Not me. And i really engage you all to start reading more closely. The far right is taking over. What is happening in Gaza is not Israel, it's not jews, it's Netanyahu's far right and ultra religious government. after more than 110 days the israeli army haas not liberated one hostage. The ones they saw, they shot them. They are already considered dead and martyrs to a cause they don't even believe in. I urge you all to read Haaretz, the center left israeli journal. What do you make of Michael lucas the american porn star signing missiles to bombard Gaza with ? Mike Pence did it too, the missile he signed are supposed to have bombarded Lebanon. It's totally cray what is REALLY happening there right now. I can tell you as a journalist that there is stuff we are not allowed to talk about or urged to balance. The paranoïa and suspicion towards editors are like i've never witnessed before. Everybody is afraid to speak up. I've come to terms that democrats are no better than Trumpists, they just look better. There's no democracy left, ploutocracy has a firm grip on the world. I saw footage, from veteran war journalists of the israeli army beating up an orthodox rabbi because he was protesting against the genocide. They don't even let the families of hostages speak. They have no contact with them. There are daily protests in Israel against the genocide. Most of the pro war are american and french zionist jews. It's like 80 years of history has been erased. I'm not asking you to believe me, to like what i say or even like me, i'm just asking you all to really check what is really happening. It's the same as in Ukraine except we're the bad guys here. I'm just asking you to wake up, to quote Madonna, to look through the gaslighting, not for me, not for Gaza, but for yourself, to avoid, in the future, asking yourself "how have i been blind to this ?" (answer, it's meant that way). I don't come here to "disturb the peace" like James Baldwin said, i'd rather talk about the tour and fluffy stuff, but times are really bad and it gets me mad because i don't think you are all prepared for what is coming. I have been dealing with it daily and not just the Gaza genocide which is just a piece in the whole trap the far right is making the world fall into. And it's not in our interest, not us little people. Haaretz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: And here we go again. A forum member calling other forum members " a buch of stupid people" just to show a victim mentality immediately. You are making assumptions, even severe accusations against forum members. But you, and Karbatal, are the ones attacking members of this forum on a personal level. Not by name of course. In general. Because it is so much easier. And yet you are playing the victim here. No one in here tried to shut down any discussion. So it does not take courage from you or Karbatal to speak up. Karbatal was told to stop his personal attacks. You are just another text book example of someone that very much resembles the attitiude of a mega MAGA or Qanon. Everyone that does not share your opinion is wrong. In reality you don't care about the truth, you don't want to know the truth. You are not interested in an open discussion. All you want at this point is confirmation. I am disgusted, you even dare to come here, to pretend to be this great humanitarian that fights "white supremacists IRL", to lecture us and at the same time you make use of the most deragatory terms, calling people on this forum "stupid" and calling a woman that made a statement that did not fit your narrative a "pig". Let me be frank, you did a disservice to yourself and whatever your cause might be. The irony of it all, you are bascially calling us Nazis, with your reference to WWII and your assumption we would have gladly participated in the atrocities of the Third Reich or at least kept quiet. A ridiculous statement in this very forum with the large majority of members being gay men. You are most definitely aware of the fact that homosexuals were victims of the Nazi regime themselves. And to top it all, you are the one using the dehumanizing language of the Nazis, you are the one trying to intimidate other people with your outrage and your accusations. I have a problem with such kind of behaviour. And that is the reason why I had to speak up. I will not be called "stupid" or "white supremacist". Especially by people who have no idea who I am or what I stand for. I urge you to really open your eyes. It is not important what you think of me. It's what you'll think of yourself in a few years that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I haven´t been following this thread, and I don´t know exactly which your opinions are. Also, my english is what it is, it works to laugh about gaga, but something so serious like this...well. But I have two very clear ideas in my mind about all this situation: israel should stop killing people right now. Yes, they have won the battle already, thousands of dead people ago. Rest of the world is seeing israel as what it is, a country that kills inocent people and, thanks to his friend USA, is going to get away with it. But the stories about the concentration camps, auswitz...these people in charge of israel are not close to that people I am starting to believe that it´s true that there is something more behind all this situation: that news about wnating to build a new/bigger canal to the east of gaza, makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 34 minutes ago, promise to try said: I haven´t been following this thread, and I don´t know exactly which your opinions are. Also, my english is what it is, it works to laugh about gaga, but something so serious like this...well. But I have two very clear ideas in my mind about all this situation: israel should stop killing people right now. Yes, they have won the battle already, thousands of dead people ago. Rest of the world is seeing israel as what it is, a country that kills inocent people and, thanks to his friend USA, is going to get away with it. But the stories about the concentration camps, auswitz...these people in charge of israel are not close to that people I am starting to believe that it´s true that there is something more behind all this situation: that news about wnating to build a new/bigger canal to the east of gaza, makes sense yes and the oil and gas that belongs to Gaza, they want it all, Zionists also have a fantasy of clearing that land all to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2024 at 3:26 AM, Raider of the lost Ark said: Stop it. You start going way too far. The debate in the NY concert thread was about Amy Schumers personal comments and if it was clever idea to have her as judge on stage. You (and some others) derailed the topic and people told you there is a separate thread for this (political) topic. People did not share their personal view on the Israeli/Hamas war. It was about Amy Schumers stance and that Madonna should not be dragged into or held accountable for what Amy Schumer said or did. You act like Madonna endorsed Amy Schumers message and as if forum members here did as well. Which is not the case. Now you move here and call forum members cunts and racists although you clearly stated in the NY thread that you are not calling anyone names. I understand people are angry about the situation. But from my view you have taken an extreme position. Your whole communication in recent weeks sounds like the worst MAGA or Qanon people. Especially your constant claim that news are not reporting about the "real" situation in Gaza. Such claim makes my alarm bells ring loudly because this is exactly the narrative of every conspiracy "theorist". "Official" news, mass media is fake and the only "real" news is to be found on Telegram, Twitter etc.. Even more shocking to me, you are a journalist. You should know better. And I remember that your position used to be a completely different one. I wonder what happened to you that you have made a 180. 16 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: And here we go again. A forum member calling other forum members " a buch of stupid people" just to show a victim mentality immediately. You are making assumptions, even severe accusations against forum members. But you, and Karbatal, are the ones attacking members of this forum on a personal level. Not by name of course. In general. Because it is so much easier. And yet you are playing the victim here. No one in here tried to shut down any discussion. So it does not take courage from you or Karbatal to speak up. Karbatal was told to stop his personal attacks. You are just another text book example of someone that very much resembles the attitiude of a mega MAGA or Qanon. Everyone that does not share your opinion is wrong. In reality you don't care about the truth, you don't want to know the truth. You are not interested in an open discussion. All you want at this point is confirmation. I am disgusted, you even dare to come here, to pretend to be this great humanitarian that fights "white supremacists IRL", to lecture us and at the same time you make use of the most deragatory terms, calling people on this forum "stupid" and calling a woman that made a statement that did not fit your narrative a "pig". Let me be frank, you did a disservice to yourself and whatever your cause might be. The irony of it all, you are bascially calling us Nazis, with your reference to WWII and your assumption we would have gladly participated in the atrocities of the Third Reich or at least kept quiet. A ridiculous statement in this very forum with the large majority of members being gay men. You are most definitely aware of the fact that homosexuals were victims of the Nazi regime themselves. And to top it all, you are the one using the dehumanizing language of the Nazis, you are the one trying to intimidate other people with your outrage and your accusations. I have a problem with such kind of behaviour. And that is the reason why I had to speak up. I will not be called "stupid" or "white supremacist". Especially by people who have no idea who I am or what I stand for. Thank God, for a bit of sanity in this thread. Thank you @Raider of the lost Ark to bring this up. The comments I read about the West, here, kinda make me want to throw up. Some of you tend to forget that if you leave freely and (most of the time) safely, that’s because you live here. If, as a gay man, you can have a boyfriend, you can marry, you can express freely, that’s because you live here, in this part of the World you hate so much. Not happy? Move to Russia, China, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. Then we’ll talk. Of course we’re not perfect. And yes, everywhere in the World the far right is getting stronger and stronger. Doesn’t mean we’re all like that. And it doesn’t mean we’re not aware. Stop being so patronizing and condescending. I’d be curious to hear, what are you doing, concretely, for this, apart writing shit on a Madonna forum? Enlighten us. And don’t play the "journalist" card. You seem to be so more intelligent than us, you can do better than this. And btw, I read articles about this tragic situation, every day, in the news. I read about United Nations positions and about International court of Justice. So yes, we know what is happening. I don’t need Twitter post for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Israel is the worst. It should not exists in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acediace Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 50 minutes ago, Django said: Israel is the worst. It should not exists in the first place. Israeli here Not gonna get into this whole conversation, no point for that, it will lead to nowhere Just wanted to say: We are not asking your permission to exist I will stop here because if I'll keep saying what I think about what you wrote, I'll probably get ban, and i still want to get Madonnas updates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, Django said: Israel is the worst. It should not exists in the first place. Indeed, but unfortunately you can’t put the baby back into the womb so that leaves a 2 state solution and we know well Netanyahu will never entertain that. The power Netanyahu has over the world is incredible and unbelievable, anything that man says goes, anything he wants he gets. On the Israeli word alone… Remember when the US used to be sneeky about how evil they really are and would have you convinced everyone else was the bad guy? They don’t seem to give a fuck anymore what the world or their own people think of them. It’s like yea baby, get that genocide into my vains! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Acediace said: Israeli here Not gonna get into this whole conversation, no point for that, it will lead to nowhere Just wanted to say: We are not asking your permission to exist I will stop here because if I'll keep saying what I think about what you wrote, I'll probably get ban, and i still want to get Madonnas updates No worries, I am not the one who has to give permission to anybody to exists but this is how I feel and it does not mean that the people who live in the now land called Israel should not exist, the state should definitely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 14 hours ago, Django said: Israel is the worst. It should not exists in the first place. I don´t agree with these two statements. I mean,if people wanted israel to exist, it´s ok with me, and maybe, it was a good way to solve a part of the mess that happened during the second world war.Or at least, a part of the mess. The problem is that they chose a land that already had people there. I have heard about other posibilities for the Israel state, like argentina or south africa (or in the south of africa, I don´t know). I don´t know why did they were also a posibility, I mean, people lived there already. And about being the worst, well, we know that all the countries have a lot of shit under the bright constitutions and declaration of rights. But after being bombed for 50 years with movies about the holocaust, maybe I was expecting more from Israel, I guess. And, I don´t know where I have taken this idea, but somebody has mentioned other countries, not western countries, were the human rights are not respected, and that if we like them more, we could go and live there. Of course is not that. Actually, I know that my life would be more different if I had to go to live to a palestinian state, than if I have to go to israel. They are, basically, europeans living in the east part of the mediterranean sea, so I know my life would be, in that sense, similar.But that doesn´t mean that I don´t see the shit that the politicians are creating there. Politicians that have been voted and elected by a lot of israel´s citizens, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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