Tales from Spain. Socialists win elections but far right extremists arrive

[runa]

12 hours ago, karbatal said:

So general election took place yesterday and thank god Socialists won after 11 years. Corrupted People Party got the biggest flop in their history!!!!!

Sadly far right extremists against immigration and ANTIFEMINISM (can you believe it?) particularly against the Catalonia situation have rise and now will be part of the chamber! Thank God they got half the seats that they expected. 

I find so sad that right extremists are rising so much across the EU! I thought that Spain, after the horrible dictatorship was vaccinated but no. 

People never learn from history, this is insane.

[VogueMusic]

16 hours ago, karbatal said:

Oh, and this new right populists created a logo to "fight the LGTB who try to convert our children" and is so cute that we, Spanish gays, have adopted it with open arms  We call it "Gaysper"

They tried.

 

 

[elijah]

On 4/29/2019 at 4:16 PM, karbatal said:

Oh, and this new right populists created a logo to "fight the LGTB who try to convert our children" and is so cute that we, Spanish gays, have adopted it with open arms  We call it "Gaysper"

OMG! Me and Cyril were talking that Spain and Portugal are so cool (as u know we are obsessed by the Iberian peninsula) that they will never fall victim to the homophobic alt right propaganda. Spanish seemed so cool with gays etc. Its so sad to see that they are not excluded from the mass EU madness. I m sure the percentage of the bugged populace is very low, but still I m sad.

[promise to try]

so is it legal to vote for puigdemont???

[karbatal]

11 hours ago, promise to try said:

so is it legal to vote for puigdemont???

I think so. It will be interesting to have him in Brussels. He'll finally understand that the EU is not supporting his ideas. 

[promise to try]

37 minutes ago, karbatal said:

I think so. It will be interesting to have him in Brussels. He'll finally understand that the EU is not supporting his ideas. 

or not! he is surprisingly good with the laws and regulations!

 

[karbatal]

2 hours ago, promise to try said:

or not! he is surprisingly good with the laws and regulations!

 

Well it's not a matter of laws this time

[Guest]

more elections!!!!

I only want to continue stopping ciudadans and Vox out of the Basque country!

[Guest]

I jave a weird feeling about this elections now: the left could have won in madrid, and thanks to some politicians behaving as children, it hasn´t been possible.The PSOE and Más madrid have been the most voted political parties , but the right will govern  thanks also to the far right.

[karbatal]

The conservative PP may take the government in my city, Zaragoza  I'm pretty scared, tbqh. It's not the first time that they rule the city, but this time they seem so resentful and hateful and they would pact with the far-right extremists to do it! I pray for a pact between Socialists and Ciudadanos in both Aragon Governement and Zaragoza goverment or else we're fucked

The only good thing about yesterday's elections is that at least we sent lots of socialists to the European Parliament. 

[Guest]

have you seen the Ya hemos pasao Picture? it´s scary

 

[sotos8]

thank God socialists won at least in some countries , just a few though

[karbatal]

2 hours ago, promise to try said:

have you seen the Ya hemos pasao Picture? it´s scary

 

Horrible. I hope they are not able to get into institutions. They are scum. 

[Guest]

elections again this sunday. it´s a scary situation, the fascists are back.they are not going to win, but the right winged parties have been taking some of their ideas and...this doesn´t look good

[karbatal]

14 hours ago, promise to try said:

elections again this sunday. it´s a scary situation, the fascists are back.they are not going to win, but the right winged parties have been taking some of their ideas and...this doesn´t look good

I'm afraid the title of this thread will be changed on Monday ase "Conservatives win in Spain. Far right extremists gain power"

[Guest]

I think psoe will win, but I´m afraid PP-VOX and ciudadans are going to govern

[karbatal]

I confess I voted socialist out of fear of the right wing wining. I feel manipulated

[elijah]

Whats going on in my favourite Spain? Are there results yet?

[karbatal]

2 minutes ago, elijah said:

Whats going on in my favourite Spain? Are there results yet?

First polls are at 21.00 (Spanish time) but contrary to the rest of the world our polls are always wrong, as if people lied on porpose  

By 22.30 there'll be enough real results to know something. A friend of mine told me that where she voted LOTS were voting the far right extremists I hope it's just her place. 

Spain is much on turmoil and like so many countries it's as if we got stupid suddenly. Anything can happen. 

Btw, Jari has now a blog in Bulgarian about Spain. He just wrote about this elections and how we got to this situation. Maybe you find it interesting: 

https://jariestefanoff.com/любопитно/как-и-защо-испания-стана-неуправляема/

[elijah]

8 minutes ago, karbatal said:

First polls are at 21.00 (Spanish time) but contrary to the rest of the world our polls are always wrong, as if people lied on porpose  

By 22.30 there'll be enough real results to know something. A friend of mine told me that where she voted LOTS were voting the far right extremists I hope it's just her place. 

Spain is much on turmoil and like so many countries it's as if we got stupid suddenly. Anything can happen. 

Btw, Jari has now a blog in Bulgarian about Spain. He just wrote about this elections and how we got to this situation. Maybe you find it interesting: 

https://jariestefanoff.com/любопитно/как-и-защо-испания-стана-неуправляема/

Horrible if the alt right has gains. Well, having in mind Catalunia, I am not shocked really. Hope the Socialists win though.

Jari's blog is interesting.

[Guest]

PSOE 120 (3 less than before, assholes)

PP 88 (a lot more than before

VOX 52 (crazy amount of votes)

Unidas Podemos 35 (this is so sad,they had a lot more before)

Ciudadanos 10 (this is so funny! the only good news)

Mas país (people that used to be in Unidas podemos.I like their leader, but I think this was a mistake, they should have gone together) 3

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In the basque country, at least in the part that is officially basque country, everything is different, as usual:

 

PNV 7 (right winged party, who fought against franco, and that morally are quite close to the PSOE. they want a referendum, but not now, only when economically is good  for "us")

PSOE 4 (spanish socialist party)

BILDU 4 (left winged radical pro independence political party)

UNIDAS PODEMOS 4 (spanish left winged party, they are pro rerefendum, but they want to stay in spain)

 

so no, no, PP, no ciudadanos, no vox...but don´t count them out

[Guest]

so, headline is that they could have had a progresist government, and now everything is a mess, with the ultra right winged/fascists having more power

[karbatal]

Horrifying

Mess

Retarded

Shame

Puke

It's as if our country went from Madonna to Gaga in only ten years.

[Martin B.]

It is an infinite sadness to see this constant rise of the far-right in a country that has experienced four decades of dictatorship having ended only 45 years ago. I did well to plan a trip to Spain next year because I'm afraid the future will be even darker for this beautiful country than it has been since the economic crisis of 2008. 

[Guest]

everything is a shit, because there could have been a leftish government, and now everything sounds impossible. That said, the far right has always been in the spanish politics, there has been a part of the PP that has always been far right, talking about how all the problems started with the abortion, saying that the only problem with GAL( a group close to the police/government that killed close to 30 people) was that they didn´t kill enough people (that´s what the founder of the PP said back in the day), the have closed newspapers (and years later have said that there weren´t proofs to justify that closure)...but now they don´t have anybody in their own party to stop them.

the weirdest thing of all is that this political party has a few inmigrants in favour if them. I guess that, if you are a migrant, but with money, nobody has a problem with you

[Guest]

a last thing.this elections have been a disaster, but nobody is saying that pasoe has destroyed a political party that could be a rival (ciudadans), and has made the other left party smaller...in the long term I think is going to be better for them, once they get rid of Pedro sanchez.

[karbatal]

13 hours ago, Martin B. said:

It is an infinite sadness to see this constant rise of the far-right in a country that has experienced four decades of dictatorship having ended only 45 years ago. I did well to plan a trip to Spain next year because I'm afraid the future will be even darker for this beautiful country than it has been since the economic crisis of 2008. 

The future will be alright. There's one thing the politics and another one real life. And this shouldn't affect your travelling

I mean, Spain hosts 70 million tourists each year...

[karbatal]

GOOD NEWS!!!!!

Socialists and Podemos (left) have finally reached a pact to form a coalition to conform a social and progressive government :  

They'll focus on social politics, better employment conditions, dialogue with Catalonia (I've always said that more money will shut them up because in the end is all they want, mark my words) and a firm block against the rise of extreme right. 

Finally a day to celebrate 

[karbatal]

Twitter is a party with the coalition

 

[Martin B.]

2 hours ago, karbatal said:

The future will be alright. There's one thing the politics and another one real life. And this shouldn't affect your travelling

I mean, Spain hosts 70 million tourists each year...

I know but If a far-right party comes into power in a country, believe me that it will not be anymore on my travel itinerary. It is a matter of principle and value. Well, I do not think it will be for tomorrow in your country, but the rise of the party in the 3rd rank excludes nothing for the future.