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Tales from Spain. Socialists win elections but far right extremists arrive


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23 minutes ago, elijah said:

Its kind of shocking that a friend of Hitler managed to rule one of the biggest and most important European states until (practically) recently. In a way Spain lucked out (looking from outside perspective of course), because USA wanted to use any regime against the Communist Block, including a "Catholic" facist one like Francos and created USA bases in Spain in the 60ties. It seems like Spain gained a lot of ground in the period 1960-2008 (the Spanish themselves managed to use the EU funds wisely and transformed Spain). The 2009 crisis hit all of Europe, Southern most I guess, but still nowadays Spain is doing fine (when compared to other parts of Europe and the world of course). I understand there are many problems, but comparatively Spain deserves to play a bigger role in EU (together with Germany and France) than say Italy and the last elections in Italy just prove very well why. I think the fact that Spain turned out to be a progressive country with liberal social norms (maybe due to the Francos dark regime?) makes it the perfect "third" pillar of the EU - in this way states like NL and the Scandinavian states could identify with it, but it also represent Southern (Mediteranean) Europe and in a way its what Southern Europe must turn into, if we want more just society. Of course I know there are problems, but there are also positives we have to admire. As a whole, I view Spain very positively and I think it must be pushed to play a bigger role within EU.

I would agree but our conservative parties are not as CDU for example. They have become more and more right wing and total slaves of the elites. Just an example: our former president (conservative) created a tax that penalized solar energy. Simply to give more money to energy companies. For 6 years not a single solar panel was installed in Spain. All solar renewal we have today has been built in the past 3 years (under socialist Pedro Sánchez) and just a couple of days ago it meant 45% of the energy produced  in the country. 
 

Imagine if our conservative had power in the EU? They are twins of the Tories. I prefer that the Comission takes our ideas when they are good but stop us when dummies get the power.

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17 hours ago, karbatal said:


 

Imagine if our conservative had power in the EU? They are twins of the Tories. I prefer that the Comission takes our ideas when they are good but stop us when dummies get the power.

the spanish conservative party is even worse, because, unlike the conservatives in other countries, it was created by a minister of a  fascist dictatorship.

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18 hours ago, karbatal said:

I would agree but our conservative parties are not as CDU for example. They have become more and more right wing and total slaves of the elites. Just an example: our former president (conservative) created a tax that penalized solar energy. Simply to give more money to energy companies. For 6 years not a single solar panel was installed in Spain. All solar renewal we have today has been built in the past 3 years (under socialist Pedro Sánchez) and just a couple of days ago it meant 45% of the energy produced  in the country. 

Thats absurd indeed. I guess Spain is one of the European countries who could easily live off solar energy (mainly). This bitch should be slapped.

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22 minutes ago, elijah said:

Thats absurd indeed. I guess Spain is one of the European countries who could easily live off solar energy (mainly). This bitch should be slapped.

That bitch this weekend had the cheek to do a conference to explain the importance of being energetically independent. Yes, conservative voters have the weakest memory.

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59 minutes ago, promise to try said:

the spanish conservative party is even worse, because, unlike the conservatives in other countries, it was created by a minister of a  fascist dictatorship.

And rulers of that party go to mass when it’s the anniversary of the dictator’s death. 

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