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Tales from Spain. Oh, who rides my boat?

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Among the rising of xenophobic and fascist movement in Europe such as France, Germany, Italy Austria, Hungary, UK, or Netherlands and Sweden, now Spain has a very powerful new party rising. Yesterday the won 12 seats in Andalucía. This is really only the beginning. 

This is a counter effect of the loss of services because of the crisis, the corruption from traditional parties and especially the hate spread with the Catalonia issue. 

Sad and dangerous times ahead. I hope the leftist Catalan parties stop being stupid and keep supporting our progressive left government or we'll have general election in May and we'll see...

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emigration.unemployement.the feelin that all the taxes only help the emigrants.spanish nationalism.catalonia wanting to get out of spain. socialist party´s corruption.

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Scary stuff. With what Europe has been through with both world wars,  it is so sad to see many now supporting ultra right wing parties. 

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Horrible. My hope was that Spain (and Portugal) was the last sane place in Europe. Its so sad to see it follows suit with all the other European nations :(. Europes political landscape is getting more depressing with each passing year. Its like madness.

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Sadly there's a lot of racist, mysogynist, homophobic and intolerant people EVERYWHERE. And the second they get some parcel and some media to spread their message, more people gather because they secretly were thinking the same. 

You just have to read some newspaper's online comments by readers, insulting women, gays, black people... It happens everywhere. And nowadays it is incredibly virulent for one reason: for the first time in human history, those people are losing power and minorities are gaining power. Gays, Women, Immigrants, Handicapped people, they are listened to their needs. So they lose power and that's why they fight back more virulently than ever.

The sad thing is that now those people have in Andalucia 12 seats. That means they will speak loudly about horrible things and stupid meda will replicate their message and netx May, when we have regional elections in the rest of Spain, there will be another earthquake and they will be in all 17 regional parliaments. And if we also have general eletcion that day, the same.

And beware, because on May we have the European Parliament elections and that means that now Spain will send far right MPs there too! 

Snowfall effect, indeed. 

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14 hours ago, promise to try said:

emigration.unemployement.the feelin that all the taxes only help the emigrants.spanish nationalism.catalonia wanting to get out of spain. socialist party´s corruption.

Catalonia has played a big part because whenever there were demonstrations against Catalonia's independence, these people gatherer hundreds and afterwards thousands of people there. And media, instead of pointing out that they were fascist, simply covered the information as "citizens against the independence" when that was not the case. 

The pain that those irresponsible Catalan politicians has brought to Spain, along the irresponsible politicians and press from the Spanish side, is getting bigger and bigger. I don't agree that some of them are in prison because I think it is against any human right, but on the other hand that is the only punishment they will get. Because after all the lies spred in CAtalonia that made Catalan people hate Spanish and now Spanish people becoming intolerant... They deserve some punishment, only I don't know what! 

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In andalucia a lot of people have decided not to vote. Psoe´s corruption has made a lot of damage to the people.The problem with the Eres has been huge, even bigger than the one that the PP has had.I don´t understatimate any of the things that we have mentioned before, but I think the politicians and the journalists are forgetting about the shit the biggest political party of that zone has had

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so there´s a march this sunday in madrid, all the right winged political parties are supposed to go, to defend their idea of spain, their idea of democracy, their idea of everything.because if you don´t think like them or feel like them, you are not a democrat.Shit, they are talking as when everything but them in the basque country was ETA, or as the venezuelan opposition.not happy with this, and it´s not unfair for a lot of spaniards either

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1 hour ago, promise to try said:

so there´s a march this sunday in madrid, all the right winged political parties are supposed to go, to defend their idea of spain, their idea of democracy, their idea of everything.because if you don´t think like them or feel like them, you are not a democrat.Shit, they are talking as when everything but them in the basque country was ETA, or as the venezuelan opposition.not happy with this, and it´s not unfair for a lot of spaniards either

Just wait. Seeing what Guaidó did in Venezuela, they may even declare themselves president of Spain :rotfl:

They are shit, to be quite honest. But sadly in this new era of churning people deepest demons, they are going to sweep next election. Why have people suddenly become SO STUPID? 

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"let´s not talk abortion, let´s talk about spaaaaain!!!!"

pablo casado dixit

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Spain did not need a far right party up to now because the old francoist and the nostalgist were part of the PP, corruption, religion, Gibraltar. Every year there is a large group of people walking to valle de los caidos, wen the pope came to Madrid the worst of Spain came out

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10 hours ago, windsor67 said:

Spain did not need a far right party up to now because the old francoist and the nostalgist were part of the PP, corruption, religion, Gibraltar. Every year there is a large group of people walking to valle de los caidos, wen the pope came to Madrid the worst of Spain came out

Yeah normally all fascists belonged to conservative parties, like the xenophobic and supremacist Tories in the UK. You only need some scaremongering and shit stirring by official news outlets and you get racist and snobs parading the streets asking to stop immigration and such.

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Thank God most people in Spain aren't like that. 

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6 minutes ago, karbatal said:

Thank God most people in Spain aren't like that. 

and I really believe that not all the right winged people are like this.anyways, the only solution, is the independence: there was a project, in the 18th century, to create a country called New Fenicia, that was the basque country (complete), aragon and catalonia. I see it happening!

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1 hour ago, promise to try said:

and I really believe that not all the right winged people are like this.anyways, the only solution, is the independence: there was a project, in the 18th century, to create a country called New Fenicia, that was the basque country (complete), aragon and catalonia. I see it happening!

The solution imo is to face corruption, impoverishment of middle classes and the lack of principles in governments, instead of being polarised all the time. I'm sick and tired of absurdities coming from left, right or nationalism while people live worse than 10 years ago. I am sure it can apply to other countries too. 

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54 minutes ago, karbatal said:

The solution imo is to face corruption, impoverishment of middle classes and the lack of principles in governments, instead of being polarised all the time. I'm sick and tired of absurdities coming from left, right or nationalism while people live worse than 10 years ago. I am sure it can apply to other countries too. 

absolutely right. If u are not facing the problem, but just creating another country out of Spain (why???), you are taking the problem with you. In reality, things would probably become even worse

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2 hours ago, elijah said:

absolutely right. If u are not facing the problem, but just creating another country out of Spain (why???), you are taking the problem with you. In reality, things would probably become even worse

They keep population entertained so there's not uproar at their lack of morals and their unending greed. 

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So even with all conservative media support and spending money with buses bringing people, right and extreme right couldn't even gather 150.000 people today in Madrid in that demonstration against the Government :rotfl: What a gaga-sized FLOP! 

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And in Spain 150.000 people are VERY FEW. Every important demonstration has like 100.000 people in little cities! We love marching, tbqh :lol:

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1 hour ago, karbatal said:

So even with all conservative media support and spending money with buses bringing people, right and extreme right couldn't even gather 150.000 people today in Madrid in that demonstration against the Government :rotfl: What a gaga-sized FLOP! 

and of course, one of the songs that they  used was gaga´s!!!!!the edge of glory!

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45.000 people in extreme right winged march.In the march in favour of the basque prisoners being in prisons closer to their families, 80.000.

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Yesterday in Berlin, Puigdemont unexpectedly appeared to give the award to a Netflix documentary about Catalonia. The filmmakers, who were against taking sides, have given the award back and are very angry with the German organisation, for they feel tricked. 

But the most important part:  the artist Anna Maria Kaufmann sang  "Don't cry for me CATALONIA", a new version of the classic :rotfl: I just CAN'T!!!! 

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29 minutes ago, karbatal said:

Yesterday in Berlin, Puigdemont unexpectedly appeared to give the award to a Netflix documentary about Catalonia. The filmmakers, who were against taking sides, have given the award back and are very angry with the German organisation, for they feel tricked. 

But the most important part:  the artist Anna Maria Kaufmann sang  "Don't cry for me CATALONIA", a new version of the classic :rotfl: I just CAN'T!!!! 

Was this part of Berlinale festival? They always want to be so political...

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4 minutes ago, Lolo said:

Was this part of Berlinale festival? They always want to be so political...

It's some kind of side gala created by some Foundation called Cinema for Peace. They really made a big faux pas there, as the filmmakers had asked several times that they didn't want any link with any politician from any side. And boom! there goes Puigdemont and gives A SPEECH and the opera singer sing Don't Cry For Me Catalonia :lmao:

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