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On 8/20/2019 at 9:30 PM, BrendanT1993 said:

Tulsi would actually be a good candidate for the Dems, but unfortunately I don't see her really going to make it. She's honest, not crazy, not a lair (that I see), and not tainted with empty promises and partisan politics. She's smart, on top of topics and the best part is that she want's America to get out of running a globalized military with a focus on endless wars.

Biden doesn’t have a shot at all. He’s Hillary 2.0. The only way he could do it is if he does all the things Hillary did but better. Like actually visit battleground states. Otherwise it will be another election like 2016. The vast majority of Americans stayed home.

I think we forget that Hillary actually won the popular vote with almost as many popular votes as Obama won with in 2012. She had somewhere around a 2.8 million lead over Trump (roughly 65 million vs. Trump's 62 million), while Obama had around a 2.9 million lead over Romney in 2012. So, while she clearly didn't run a perfect campaign, in almost any other instance she would've won the election.....we can thank the archaic Electoral College process for fucking that up. Not sure where this narrative that Hillary was totally absent from battleground states began but here's an article to straighten some things out:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-campaigns-numbers/story?id=43356783

Personally, I think Comey fucked it up for HIllary. That last email "controversy" just days before the election probably swayed those that already thought she was shady. In the end, it turned out to be a bunch of nothing. Unfortunate really. 

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On 8/20/2019 at 9:30 PM, BrendanT1993 said:

Tulsi would actually be a good candidate for the Dems, but unfortunately I don't see her really going to make it. She's honest, not crazy, not a lair (that I see), and not tainted with empty promises and partisan politics. She's smart, on top of topics and the best part is that she want's America to get out of running a globalized military with a focus on endless wars.

Tulsi is polling low but getting better. We shouldn't dismiss a candidate for polling low (and the DNC still hasn't learned their 2016 lesson, maybe they need a second one). Let's see...

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But the fact is the DNC and major media will never support a true progressive candidate, they will attempt to silence and smear and destroy them, because these millionaires only want to further the establishment, not work to make people's lives any better (which is why they never cover anything destructive Trump is doing politically). Here's a telling example of an "expert" on MSNBC complaining how a socialist president would be horrible and how he would rather vote for Trump if it came down to it.

 

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On 8/22/2019 at 1:15 PM, Kurt420 said:

Personally, I think Comey fucked it up for HIllary. That last email "controversy" just days before the election probably swayed those that already thought she was shady. In the end, it turned out to be a bunch of nothing. Unfortunate really. 

I think this is what sunk Hilary in the end. As soon as I saw the announcement of the reopened email investigation I knew it was over.....and given that we now know there was an investigation going on related to Trump and Russia at the same time by the FBI, it is OUTRAGEOUS that Comey choose to disclose this non-event 11 days before the election and withheld the Russia investigation news.....

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2 hours ago, CzarnaWisnia said:

Oh Joe...

 

Well, the good/bad news with situations like this now is that Trump has set the bar so incredibly low and said so many stupid, inaccurate things that people are pretty much desensitized to it at this point. It's gonna take a real shitty Dem candidate to match his level of stupidity and ignorance. There was a time snafu's like this could be seen as a big deal......does it really matter now though?? :lol:  In fact, it seems like people prefer this over someone like HRC who apparently spoke a little bit too properly and couldn't "connect" with people because of her "elitist" mentality (aka: she was smart). 🙄 We see it in politics and entertainment more than ever now......people like things to be dumbed down. 🤷‍♂️

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On 2/19/2019 at 3:46 PM, impr3ssive_instant said:

Lol Are you even from America? None of this is true. Bernie is the most popular liberal politician in the country and has a ton of support from demographics you would need to win an election. Most of this "Bernie supporters are crazy" hysteria is Russian propaganda and you're falling for it again. Have you learned nothin from 2016?

People really don't want to accept that you need the white working class vote to win an election here.

Bernie Beats Trump. Bernie is the only one of either party who doesn't take corporate money. He's not corrupt and he loathes corporate america which is why the media and status quo Democrats loathe him. Republicans hate everybody who isn't a wealthy donor, so there's that.

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Bernie Beats Trump. He would have won last time. But the DNC had other ideas. They’re gonna try and do it again. Corporate democrats and the corporate-run media hate Bernie and minimize him every time they can. Meanwhile he’s filling venues across the country. Other candidates are not. 

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On 9/22/2019 at 12:14 PM, Kelmadfan said:

Bernie Beats Trump. He would have won last time. But the DNC had other ideas. They’re gonna try and do it again. Corporate democrats and the corporate-run media hate Bernie and minimize him every time they can. Meanwhile he’s filling venues across the country. Other candidates are not. 

 

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On 9/16/2019 at 7:27 PM, runa said:

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On 9/23/2019 at 12:41 PM, CzarnaWisnia said:

 

I've watched these two 'woke' liberals and find them to be completely insufferable  They're so far up Bernie's ass that they can't see straight.

The whole idea Bernie would've won in 2016 is laughable. Trump won because he used xenophobia and racism to lite an inferno underneath the white working class who have been made to believe by Fox News that the browns and blacks have ruined our country. Bernie wanted to give away free stuff.

These people didn't want free shit from a socialist. They wanted to burn down the entire system and wanted Trump to do it.  

 

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2 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

I've watched these two 'woke' liberals and find them to be completely insufferable  They're so far up Bernie's ass that they can't see straight.

The whole idea Bernie would've won in 2016 is laughable. Trump won because he used xenophobia and racism to lite an inferno underneath the white working class who have been made to believe by Fox News that the browns and blacks have ruined our country. Bernie wanted to give away free stuff.

These people didn't want free shit from a socialist. They wanted to burn down the entire system and wanted Trump to do it.  

 

I disagree. I find them both very compelling, and they are not "woke" at all ("wokeness" is just pussified arm-chair leftism for well-off people to feel "on the good side of history" rather than actually standing on principle when the time calls for it). And one isn't even a liberal. It's a bi-partisan show (which all news shows should be imo).

I agree with them and many others that Bernie would have won in 2016. Trump did not win because of bigotry (easy self-disculpating CNN-ish reasoning), but because the DNC alienated tons of green millenial support (who had never voted before) in choosing a steely establishment war-mongerer as a candidate, who lost to the worst, most clownish and obnoxious political opponent in history (it really takes talent to lose this bad). Bernie also wants the system to change radically. And it should be changed, in order for it to be fairer to most citizens instead of a lucky few. That doesn't mean socialism per se, but a fairer capitalist society is possible. Politics is compromise.

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15 hours ago, CzarnaWisnia said:

I disagree. I find them both very compelling, and they are not "woke" at all ("wokeness" is just pussified arm-chair leftism for well-off people to feel "on the good side of history" rather than actually standing on principle when the time calls for it). And one isn't even a liberal. It's a bi-partisan show (which all news shows should be imo).

I agree with them and many others that Bernie would have won in 2016. Trump did not win because of bigotry (easy self-disculpating CNN-ish reasoning), but because the DNC alienated tons of green millenial support (who had never voted before) in choosing a steely establishment war-mongerer as a candidate, who lost to the worst, most clownish and obnoxious political opponent in history (it really takes talent to lose this bad). Bernie also wants the system to change radically. And it should be changed, in order for it to be fairer to most citizens instead of a lucky few. That doesn't mean socialism per se, but a fairer capitalist society is possible. Politics is compromise.

Hillary was an atrocity. We can agree there. I’ve said for years that it took work to lose to a buffoon like Trump. Her campaign was astonishingly lazy, arrogant, and aloof. I didn’t vote for her in the Michigan primary - which ended up going to Bernie in an big upset and should’ve been a harbinger to the Clinton campaign. 

But Trump was the absolute last choice Republicans wanted as their nominee and they almost abandoned him entirely after PussyGate happened. But you know what? They still held their nose and voted for him. En masse. And to say his xenophobic and racist rhetoric didn’t garner him votes is foolish. That rhetoric is endearing and appreciated by many of his supporters who view it as “telling it like it is”.

Democrats (especially Bernie supporters) threw a tantrum, bitched, claimed everything was rigged, and put their middle finger up to big, bad, war loving HRC. Who despite her MANY faults, would’ve been better than the ongoing freak show we have right now. 

Republicans win because they show up. Democrats lose because they’re far too interested in purity. And I see it happening all over again in 2020 

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3 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

Hillary was an atrocity. We can agree there. I’ve said for years that it took work to lose to a buffoon like Trump. Her campaign was astonishingly lazy, arrogant, and aloof. I didn’t vote for her in the Michigan primary - which ended up going to Bernie in an big upset and should’ve been a harbinger to the Clinton campaign. 

But Trump was the absolute last choice Republicans wanted as their nominee and they almost abandoned him entirely after PussyGate happened. But you know what? They still held their nose and voted for him. En masse. And to say his xenophobic and racist rhetoric didn’t garner him votes is foolish. That rhetoric is endearing and appreciated by many of his supporters who view it as “telling it like it is”.

Democrats (especially Bernie supporters) threw a tantrum, bitched, claimed everything was rigged, and put their middle finger up to big, bad, war loving HRC. Who despite her MANY faults, would’ve been better than the ongoing freak show we have right now. 

Republicans win because they show up. Democrats lose because they’re far too interested in purity. And I see it happening all over again in 2020 

Well I agree with most of what you wrote, but I just don't think the racist rhetoric (although it garnered some votes for sure) was as important as other things were. And yes the Dems are more divided than they should, but imo that's because it's essentially a center right party and the progressives feel forced to get on board, because the alternative isn't viable for them. And the media also plays a huuuge part in elections. Instead of the fear-mongering they've been doing since 2016 with their Russia-conspiracy theory, they should have sent journalists in small cities and towns where Trump won, and do interviews and reports on ordinary working people or the surviving families of people who died because of lack of medical insurance (a study by Harvard School of Medicine says that "45,000 people die every year due to a lack of health insurance, and therefore a lack of access to ongoing medical care for a wide variety of treatable conditions").

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On 2/19/2019 at 3:46 PM, impr3ssive_instant said:

Lol Are you even from America? None of this is true. Bernie is the most popular liberal politician in the country and has a ton of support from demographics you would need to win an election. Most of this "Bernie supporters are crazy" hysteria is Russian propaganda and you're falling for it again. Have you learned nothin from 2016?

People really don't want to accept that you need the white working class vote to win an election here.

Bernie Beats Trump. 

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Love Bernie.  As before,  he is not just going the safe route and wants change.  He has clear policies and does not back down from his ideology unlike too many politicians today  - and that is worldwide - who sell their souls to corporations and the super wealthy and think that will do.  Trying to remain safe and appeal to the so called middle ground instead of fighting for the rights of people.   Why that idiotic Trump got in.   Michael Moore said it best - he warned Hillary would lose Michigan because they were just ignoring people there. He won States that he should not have won.  Now,  the USA has been stuck with evil Trump and his racist, sexist and  corrupt ways.  Hopefully next election,  he and also his shockingly corrupt party will be thrown out where they belong. 

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Yeah, you’re so right. But impeachment is the word I’ve heard! All heck is breaking lose and drumpf is going down. Our general election is a year from this November. The democrats need to act quickly and deliberately. Something they don’t do very well. 

I am no Hillary fan but she could have won but gerrymandering of congressional districts is what did it for drumpf. We have this ancient election “watchdog” called the Electoral College. 

Drumpf won the EC certification which is based on (gerrymandered) congressional districts. Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election. The only other time that happened was when GW Bush was “elected” by the SCOTUS. That was pretty shady as heck, too. 

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55 minutes ago, Kelmadfan said:

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election. The only other time that happened was when GW Bush was “elected” by the SCOTUS. That was pretty shady as heck, too. 

Funny how that only seems to happen with Republicans. Also, people always seem to act as if the entire Hillary campaign was a disaster, completely ignoring the fact she obliterated Trump in the popular vote. Obviously, in this case it didn't matter and of course there were areas she should've focused on more but people are too quick to label her whole campaign a disaster of epic proportions when it really wasn't.

Also very tired of people saying she didn't take responsibility for her own shortcomings when she totally did. She's stated numerous times her fuck up's that contributed to her loss. People (even other Dems) really reach to try to find the worst in Hillary. I do hope some lessons were learned in 2016 in that regard.

I know this is totally unpopular opinion but I'd vote for Hillary again in a split second. #sorrynotsorry

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Never liked HRC. She was a Republican and served on the Watergate investigation and got kicked off of it for some shady reason. She was a “Goldwater Girl” back in the day as well. I never liked her, but still think she’s the rightful president. Drumpf is not!

The USA needs to stop the Electoral College and the DNC’s rigged Superdelegate system. Citizens United needs to be overturned and we also need a multi-party system. The 2-party system is really two sides of the same corrupt coin. 

HRC needs to stop running for potus. Let the progressives take the reigns. The stodgy establishment democrats are now part of the problem because they care more about protecting their donor class more than helping the people. 

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Yes to a multi-party system, a 2 party system is unacceptable and broken. As for the Electoral College: how then to prevent larger communities from deciding the election over poorer, more rural areas? Are there other solutions?

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9 hours ago, CzarnaWisnia said:

Yes to a multi-party system, a 2 party system is unacceptable and broken. As for the Electoral College: how then to prevent larger communities from deciding the election over poorer, more rural areas? Are there other solutions?

This is the typical argument used by Republicans to keep the current system of presidential elections. The electoral college works in their favor and they have made gerrymandering a science. The electoral college is an ancient system and sould be overturned. One vote should count as one vote. The may keep the electoral college, but should get rid of "the winner takes it all" methology. In the end the results will reflect the overall voters will. The current voting system is unfair as the number of electoral votes are accounted disproportionately to the number of inhabitants or people eligible to vote. Why does a voice in Wyoming count approx. 3 times as much as a voice in California? 

Back to your question: how do you prevent it? Well, there already is a system in place. The House of Representatives and the Senate. They are the legislative branch. Not the president. Unfortunately, all the sh*t going on at the moment with that president, it rather appears as if their major job is to fight for or against that president. In their regular daily work they very much represent their states and the interest of their people. That's what they have been elected for in the first place.

 

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On 9/28/2019 at 9:14 PM, CzarnaWisnia said:

Yes to a multi-party system, a 2 party system is unacceptable and broken. 

Agree.  I might be in the minority but I think this is what is killing the country.  

I did vote for the libertarian candidate Gary Johnson in the last presidential election.  Part of me felt bad not voting for Hillary but she didn't ultimately need my vote.  Plus it's more support for different parties.

Right now though the state of the government is depressing.  I mean nothing is actually being done to help the nation solve problems/issues versus political infighting.  

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Hold up:

How would multiple parties help? They would need to build coalitions to govern and we would be right back where we are: either center-left or center-right. Exactly where we are with both parties though the GOP has drifted far, far right. Anyone supporting 3rd parties is frankly throwing your vote away for what? So you can feel you're "above it all?" Any person who is gay willing to risk their rights with right wing judges on the bench for a lifetime is.......well I better not say. 

Hillary was actually a very progressive, though pragmatic, leader. It is bullshit her campaign was as flawed as some think in hindsight. She was and is one of the strongest candidates we have ever run though she was 4 years too late in 2016. Still, she did extraordinary against all the odds stacked against her. Trump beat out 16 of the GOP's best and brightest EASILY. She had everything against her- the media, the FBI, Comey, the Russians, the Saudis, all the GOP dark money, all the conservative billionaires, Bernie never fully and enthusiastically endorsing her, years and years of smears and lies YET she won almost 4 million more votes than he did. He "won" with over 77,000 spread out over 3 states. And it was a change election. Despite all of this, she won. 

Bernie would have won? TF he would have. It would have been a landslide in Trump's favor. Bernie has a lot of dirt no one has used on him. I am very liberal but he scares too many people. 

Now we are in the biggest shit show this country has ever seen in a hundred and something years. Yet here we are with a TV clown as president because of course that is where things were headed. People want to be entertained with twists and shocks instead of someone who knows what they are doing and was highly qualified. It is one humiliation after another and still a good 40% of this country is just fine with it all.

The US is an oligarchy and they convince the poor and middle class to carry their water. Shameful. 10% of the people have 90% of the wealth. That isn't sustainable. 90% of us are fighting over 10% of the pie while they pillage us for more. And we grovel at their feet! And no, don't start with the corporate Dem bullshit. That is a complete right wing talking point. The right wing screams "BOTH SIDES ARE JUST AS BAD" because they can't defend anything they've done. People who use that argument are either out conservatives or closeted ones. Conservatives the world over are fucking the people and planet. When the population starts catching on, they create a crisis and scream about migrants and racism and religion and guns. Conservatives haven't done shit for mankind.

 

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15 hours ago, jamesshot said:

Hold up:

How would multiple parties help? They would need to build coalitions to govern and we would be right back where we are: either center-left or center-right. Exactly where we are with both parties though the GOP has drifted far, far right. Anyone supporting 3rd parties is frankly throwing your vote away for what? So you can feel you're "above it all?" Any person who is gay willing to risk their rights with right wing judges on the bench for a lifetime is.......well I better not say. 

Hillary was actually a very progressive, though pragmatic, leader. It is bullshit her campaign was as flawed as some think in hindsight. She was and is one of the strongest candidates we have ever run though she was 4 years too late in 2016. Still, she did extraordinary against all the odds stacked against her. Trump beat out 16 of the GOP's best and brightest EASILY. She had everything against her- the media, the FBI, Comey, the Russians, the Saudis, all the GOP dark money, all the conservative billionaires, Bernie never fully and enthusiastically endorsing her, years and years of smears and lies YET she won almost 4 million more votes than he did. He "won" with over 77,000 spread out over 3 states. And it was a change election. Despite all of this, she won. 

Bernie would have won? TF he would have. It would have been a landslide in Trump's favor. Bernie has a lot of dirt no one has used on him. I am very liberal but he scares too many people. 

Now we are in the biggest shit show this country has ever seen in a hundred and something years. Yet here we are with a TV clown as president because of course that is where things were headed. People want to be entertained with twists and shocks instead of someone who knows what they are doing and was highly qualified. It is one humiliation after another and still a good 40% of this country is just fine with it all.

The US is an oligarchy and they convince the poor and middle class to carry their water. Shameful. 10% of the people have 90% of the wealth. That isn't sustainable. 90% of us are fighting over 10% of the pie while they pillage us for more. And we grovel at their feet! And no, don't start with the corporate Dem bullshit. That is a complete right wing talking point. The right wing screams "BOTH SIDES ARE JUST AS BAD" because they can't defend anything they've done. People who use that argument are either out conservatives or closeted ones. Conservatives the world over are fucking the people and planet. When the population starts catching on, they create a crisis and scream about migrants and racism and religion and guns. Conservatives haven't done shit for mankind.

 

Omg.....ALL of this right here!!! 

YES!! 

You said everything I've wanted to say in regard to this. 

I will say though that I adore Bernie and even now he's absolutely my #1 pick among the Dem candidates at this point but I'm also realistic and....well....his chances now and in 2016 were slim because he's VERY left. Again, I love him, think he's in this for altruistic reasons and I believe he wants to achieve everything he says he does (I don't think it's just talking points with him), his passion for good is palpable in my opinion but there's no way this country is ready for that. 

Having said that, I felt like Hillary's passion for doing the right thing was palpable as well. There are so many many misconceptions and flat out lies about that woman that are now just "fact" and probably always will be. I find it sad that so many people fell into that trap......but regrettably, not really surprised. Just goes to show how far we have to go in terms of equality for men and women. Anyone denying sexism played NO ROLE in how 2016 turned out is living in a fantasy land. The 2016 election truly was the perfect storm BUT I still say Comey sent it over the edge by doing what he did mere days before the election. That was no accident.

Funny that now with the more recent developments that the right is AGAIN bringing up Hillary's emails as an attempt to deflect.....this is in 2019. Truly....who gives a flying FUCK about her emails at this point?? Anytime the right is facing some sort of "crisis" all they have to say is "Obama did this" or "Hillary did that" and it STILL triggers the deplorables. WHY though?? Politically, both of these people are ancient history. It's just desperation and outright obsession at this point.

 

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 ^ because u have the most dreadful backwash of society totally empowered thx to 'their swamp monster messiah' FULLY empowering them in the sunlight (no hoods) style. HE is the last gasp...the face/raging voice of the bigoted, bitter musty, angry white man and woman seeing things have been a little too colorful. Were always 'there' lurking/circling the sewer  but stayed put just beneath the surface in their isolated holes, log cabins, trailer parks etc....Old news now his floor is at around 30%. Will NOT lose them and EVERY single one WILL come out for him in 2020. Whether a major depression, market crash, nuclear war, plague, underage orgy fests with Ivanka, Tiffany, etc on multiple videos....they do.not.care. And yes, the ranting, raging to 'lock her up', 'send them back' (and prob WAY worse next year)..all the tired/lame greatest (s)hits will be louder than ever at every f'king one of his 1933-esque kkkampaign rallies.

MY bigger concern is the Dem candidates are dreadful. I am NOT seeing/hearing/feeling anyone w/ any charisma. Getting late...really late and the fact its still fluid (with the top 3 all being over 70) w/ 2 out  of the 3 being faar  left/polarizing and 1 one who can barely complete a sentence now is very much not good. 0 chance a 70 yr old white librarian with a 'plan' will have ANY crossover appeal to middle-older aged white men (and women) in the midwest/purple states. Lmao far as the south being receptive to her 'plans'. Not so much the message but messenger. May make HRC look like a rock star. 55 people ran and yet the GP is gravitating to possibly the least electable. least likable and least coherent in a general election. Faar left f'ked up the party like the far bonkers right took over the GOP (all in 2016). Indefinitely damaged now. The angrier, louder and most  extreme= have the power now. Minority rule. Problem is neither side will budge or give an inch and just keep getting worse. 

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18 hours ago, jamesshot said:

Hold up:

How would multiple parties help? They would need to build coalitions to govern and we would be right back where we are: either center-left or center-right. Exactly where we are with both parties though the GOP has drifted far, far right. Anyone supporting 3rd parties is frankly throwing your vote away for what? So you can feel you're "above it all?" Any person who is gay willing to risk their rights with right wing judges on the bench for a lifetime is.......well I better not say. 

Hillary was actually a very progressive, though pragmatic, leader. It is bullshit her campaign was as flawed as some think in hindsight. She was and is one of the strongest candidates we have ever run though she was 4 years too late in 2016. Still, she did extraordinary against all the odds stacked against her. Trump beat out 16 of the GOP's best and brightest EASILY. She had everything against her- the media, the FBI, Comey, the Russians, the Saudis, all the GOP dark money, all the conservative billionaires, Bernie never fully and enthusiastically endorsing her, years and years of smears and lies YET she won almost 4 million more votes than he did. He "won" with over 77,000 spread out over 3 states. And it was a change election. Despite all of this, she won. 

Bernie would have won? TF he would have. It would have been a landslide in Trump's favor. Bernie has a lot of dirt no one has used on him. I am very liberal but he scares too many people. 

Now we are in the biggest shit show this country has ever seen in a hundred and something years. Yet here we are with a TV clown as president because of course that is where things were headed. People want to be entertained with twists and shocks instead of someone who knows what they are doing and was highly qualified. It is one humiliation after another and still a good 40% of this country is just fine with it all.

The US is an oligarchy and they convince the poor and middle class to carry their water. Shameful. 10% of the people have 90% of the wealth. That isn't sustainable. 90% of us are fighting over 10% of the pie while they pillage us for more. And we grovel at their feet! And no, don't start with the corporate Dem bullshit. That is a complete right wing talking point. The right wing screams "BOTH SIDES ARE JUST AS BAD" because they can't defend anything they've done. People who use that argument are either out conservatives or closeted ones. Conservatives the world over are fucking the people and planet. When the population starts catching on, they create a crisis and scream about migrants and racism and religion and guns. Conservatives haven't done shit for mankind.

 

I agree with 90% of this. Very, very, very well said. 

I throw my head back in laughter when people say Bernie would've beat Trump. Not a chance. Not only would he have lost PA, MI, and WI. But I believe he would've lost Minnesota, New Hampshire, and possibly Nevada. 

What I DO NOT agree with is that Hillary ran a solid campaign operation. That is just not true. While Hillary was wining and dining in LA and NYC doing posh fundraisers with those big, bad, 'elite' big donors,  Trump was a road warrior holding his fascist 'concerts' for his band of deplorable's EVERY SINGLE DAY. Say what you will about him, but the guy campaigned HARD in the 3 states he flipped to become president. I knew many of the field managers who worked in various parts of Michigan who were LIVID with the Clinton campaign and at the lack of attention she was giving my state. I make a 3 hour drive north, to Saginaw, to see my family every 6 weeks. The last hour and half is basically though farm country and never in MY LIFE had I seen so many yard signs during an election year. 

For anyone. Ever. All Trump. 

And if this is how rural Michigan was, I can imagine it was exactly how the rest of the rural Mid-West was. It was in mid October of that year, when the signs became more plentiful, that something hit me and for the first time I thought 'Shit, she's gonna lose this thing.' It was a negligence and arrogance of a special kind to not campaign harder in the Mid-West and instead, direct resources to Arizona, North Carolina, and even Georgia I think. She should've been listening to campaign managers in the states she lost instead of campaigning in the Sun Belt. Especially considering the margins she lost by in those 3 states. 

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