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Remember the members of this forum who defended Trump during the election campaign when it was obvious that it was against their own interests. They always answered the same thing: there are more important problems than the rights of the LGBT. I would like them to go to asked the gays of Russia or of many African countries so that they realize that when you lose your fundamental rights because of your sexual orientation everything becomes quite secondary.

Exactly.  People that can over-look issues involving their own rights are not only foolish but dangerous to their own cause.  It disgusts me actually.  When much needed progress and awareness is made, to have people then be so wilfully dismissive about it all is infuriating. People have rightly fought hard for equal rights for LGBT people and their efforts are being completely dis-respected and unappreciated by the very people that have gained from their campaigning, bravery and efforts over time.   I feel the same way about women who defend misogynists.  There is simply no excuse for it. 

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Exactly.  People that can over-look issues involving their own rights are not only foolish but dangerous to their own cause.  It disgusts me actually.  When much needed progress and awareness is made, to have people then be so wilfully dismissive about it all is infuriating. People have fought hard for equal rights for LGBT people and their efforts are being completely dis-respected and unappreciated by the very people that have gained from their campaigning, bravery and efforts over time.   I feel the same way about women who defend misogynists.  There is simply no excuse for it. 

The gays who vote for extreme right-wing parties are like those young women who are saying that they are against feminism. They are people who were born previleged in a country where their rights have been won by the sacrifice and work of previous generations . What they do not understand is that these rights are recent and that the weight of history can reverse the whole thing very quickly.

But JazzyJan, do not forget, you're better off ceasing to get carried away on the subject otherwise you're going to be accused of being a SJW. :doh:

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The gays who vote for extreme right-wing parties are like those young women who are saying that they are against feminism. They are people who were born previleged in a country where their rights have been won by the sacrifice and work of previous generations . What they do not understand is that these rights are recent and that the weight of history can reverse the whole thing very quickly.

Exactly.  Their lack of knowledge and arrogance is both dangerous and pathetic.  

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Exactly.  Their lack of knowledge and arrogance is both dangerous and pathetic.  

Today, the main enemy used to manipulate and scare the crowd is the immigrant. Tomorrow, it will probably be the gays and then after that the women.

The white hetero men will not let go of thousands of years of total control and power without fighting.

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Well as always France really sums up the zeitgeist we live in.  We owe so much to France in terms of liberties and democracy and it's not casual the campaign is so polarised,  because that's how society is nowadays. 

I wish all the luck. What will happen in France affects us all much more than Trump or Brexit.  We depend on France as guide,  it's the soul of the European project and even though Germany has got more importance this past decade,  it is France what leads socially in Europe.  

 

 

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The gays who vote for extreme right-wing parties are like those young women who are saying that they are against feminism. They are people who were born previleged in a country where their rights have been won by the sacrifice and work of previous generations . What they do not understand is that these rights are recent and that the weight of history can reverse the whole thing very quickly.

But JazzyJan, do not forget, you're better off ceasing to get carried away on the subject otherwise you're going to be accused of being a SJW. :doh:

This. 

And it's not really a secret that back in the days many of the Nazi Elite was probably gay, yet they put Gays in KZs. I know the comparison is problematic but still...

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Isn't anyone wondering how strategic these terror attacks seem to be? They happen just in time for the elections in which some politicians can actually benefit from them. Yes when we think of it only people gain anything from these attacks are politicians with their hunger for power. 

Be Wise As Serpents And Harmless As Doves. 

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Well as always France really sums up the zeitgeist we live in.  We owe so much to France in terms of liberties and democracy and it's not casual the campaign is so polarised,  because that's how society is nowadays. 

I wish all the luck. What will happen in France affects us all much more than Trump or Brexit.  We depend on France as guide,  it's the soul of the European project and even though Germany has got more importance this past decade,  it is France what leads socially in Europe.  

 

 

I agree with u that if she is chosen, the EU is doomed. And its this way since the core are Germany and France. 

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Isn't anyone wondering how strategic these terror attacks seem to be? They happen just in time for the elections in which some politicians can actually benefit from them. Yes when we think of it only people gain anything from these attacks are politicians with their hunger for power. 

Be Wise As Serpents And Harmless As Doves. 

Yes, of course. It's the first thought that comes to mind, sadly. But I always try to stay away from spreading conspiracy stuff, cause it's a slippery slope into tinfoil hat nazi territory. 

At least the AFD is going through some rough times at the moment in Germany so maybe there's still hope it doesn't spread, even if Le Pen wins.

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She can win the 1st round but she won't win the 2nd.

lets hope thats true and that its Macron who wins.

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She can win the 1st round but she won't win the 2nd.

After the US election, do you really think this can not happen? As Trump and the Brexit have confirmed, people lie at polling firm. Le Pen is probably far ahead of what the polls suggest.

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After the US election, do you really think this can not happen? As Trump and the Brexit have confirmed, people lie at polling firm. Le Pen is probably far ahead of what the polls suggest.

The electoral system is not the same. You can't compare.

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Tu as toutes les raisons de l'être. 😕

I'm supposed to be sleeping but i had to pop a Xanax to tell you the truth.

We are very tired, the campaign was exhausting and no one can tell who's gonna be in the final round between Le Pen (we decided to never use her first name anymore to show she's just like her father and that this is a family business) Macron ( he scares me too because we still don't exactly know what he's going to do and if he does what he did when he was president Hollande minister of economy it could lead to a big crisis and make poor peole even poorer) Mélenchon ( i never liked the guy, he's so smug, some of the things he wants to do are just plain crazy internationally, only nationally his program is good) and Fillon (I hate his guts). 

Hamon is the nicest of all the candidates ( i interviewed him 10 years ago and we talked about The Cure...the band not  "that thing" latest turd) but no one wants the Socialist Party anymore especially all the old farts in it who in a few years transformed it into a social democrat party. They lost all the workers for that.

Like i said we are very tired but not until late june this will be over because we have parliament elections in june too, so we are going to vote again meaning another campaign will start as soon as this one will end. 

Macron is projected to win in the end but since Trump & Brexit we can't trust polls and predictions anymore. 

Whoever is gonna win he or she ( GOD FORBID) won't unify the country, we are too divided....IF the USA are divided imagine how we french must be with our usual attitude we are infamous for....

As if things weren't stressfull enough we are at the highest level of terrorist attack watch. We already know Le Pen is Isis & co favourite candidate because they want a war, they want french muslims to feel persecuted so Isis can start a religious war within the european soil. We know Macron will sell what is left of the country to the european parliament and private interests, we know Melechon will chose Putin as an ally and put an end to the french-american alliance and we kno fillon will steal as much money as he can in 5 years. 

At this point i have no idea whom i'm gonna vote for tomorrow. It's a first for me. And i work DAILY with these people (maybe that's why i can"t see any of them being the president). 

Off to bed now. I'll do my best to vote for the least dangerous one.

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PLZ plz not that horrid bitch/French Trump Le Pen! lol Yup..once again watch the polls be useless mess and she somehow squeaks it out! :# The worldwide 'trend' is beyond disturbing. People KNOW better and 'usually' do better but seems so many have flipped/ lost it over the most primitive fearful, hateful reasons so they're doing all this wild shit just to do it 1930s style. I mean..after Brexit and ESP Trump *how/why would another major country puts themselves through that. What additional lessons are there to be learned from what happened in 2016?  The little dreadful hateful experiment is NOT the answer. Insane even if she doesn't win that SO many people are insane and stupid enough to even consider Le Pen/Trump/Putin/Hitler 

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@Roland Barthes  Thanks for your analysis and will be interested to read your thoughts tomorrow.  I hope the French people pick the correct candidate and party.  This election is so important and hoping it will buck recent world wide trends and thinking. 

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France has suffered a lot with terrorist and people are afraid, it is one of basic emotions of the human nature so this is more relevant than other issues for the moment and i can understand that.

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@Roland Barthes  Thanks for your analysis and will be interested to read your thoughts tomorrow.  I hope the French people pick the correct candidate and party.  This election is so important and hoping it will buck recent world wide trends and thinking. 

++1! Thats exactly my point. This maybe even more tha Brexit/Trump may be the final nail and indicator. Its been 5 1/2 months since Trump won and close to a year since Brexit. More than enough time for people to see the damage and repercussions. Don't care if it's razor thin like with Trump winning. If Le Pen pulls this out will be the final nail imo and devastating for the world for many years.  By her losing, shows this shitty trend from 2015/ 2016 far right nut bag demagogues possibly eroding and people waking 'back up'. This election I think is the def true test and game changer that'll should affect Germany then 2018 and 2020 in the US. <Praying> 

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@Roland Barthes  Thanks for your analysis and will be interested to read your thoughts tomorrow.  I hope the French people pick the correct candidate and party.  This election is so important and hoping it will buck recent world wide trends and thinking. 

I won't be able to come back here until monday (elections is work for me^^) but i'll keep you posted as soon as i can

 

France has suffered a lot with terrorist and people are afraid, it is one of basic emotions of the human nature so this is more relevant than other issues for the moment and i can understand that.

And yet it was barely approached during the debates...Can you believe it ? Charlie, Bataclan, Nice never mentionned. 

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And yet it was barely approached during the debates...Can you believe it ? Charlie, Bataclan, Nice never mentionned. 

Im not french so I am not following that so close. This actually surprises me!

But i can understand why a lot of people want the extremist measures of le pen in this moment. After trump/brexit the world is going another direction for a few years there is no turning back now.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39641822/why-gay-french-men-are-voting-far-right

Why gay French men are voting far right

By Will Chalk

Newsbeat reporter

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The main gay district in Paris is full of bars, clubs and sex shops - not a place you'd expect to find support for banning same-sex marriage.

But there are people in Le Marais backing the Front National (FN) ahead of this weekend's presidential election in France - and that's exactly what the party's leader says she'll do.

Polls suggest Marine Le Pen has plenty of support from gay voters.

Newsbeat's been out in the district finding out why.

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"Homosexuality itself isn't the only thing I vote for," Cedric tells us over a beer on one of the many terraces in Le Marais.

He's an environmental engineering student and, after some persuasion, agrees to go on record as a Front National supporter.

For a long time the FN was a taboo in France - a fringe party clouded by allegations of homophobia, racism and anti-semitism.

It was founded by Jean-Marie Le Pen in 1972. 

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Jean-Marie Le Pen was expelled from the National Front in 2015

He wanted to deport three million foreigners, denied the Holocaust and also opposed France's membership of the EU. 

He's also been quoted describing homosexuals as a biological anomaly.

Now the Front National has entered the mainstream - and since Marine Le Pen became its leader in 2011, with her promise to temporarily suspend all immigration and put French interests first, it's a serious contender in this election.

Another of her pledges is to repeal a law allowing gay people to get married.

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Posters of Marine Le Pen are frequently vandalised

"There are priorities in France other than homosexuality. I myself am in a same-sex couple and there have been many advances in this area," Cedric explains.

"But for me there are more pressing issues like the economy, the national debt and unemployment."

We ask him if he's worried about LGBT rights and, like most of the FN supporters we speak to, he thinks the same-sex marriage thing is a bluff: a ploy to win conservative votes.

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Marine Le Pen is the youngest daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen - she has two older sisters

It's a view that's at least partially backed up by the facts. Counter-intuitively, the Front National has more high level gay figures than any other major party, people like Marine Le Pen's closest adviser Florian Philippot.

Cedric, for one, is prepared to take the risk.

"In my view, she won't do it. If the FN were to win, I think she would prioritise other things."

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As Cedric talks to us, drinkers on nearby tables are visibly shocked.

The majority of the people we chat to in Le Marais laugh, or physically recoil, when we ask if they're backing the Front National.

"You won't find FN supporters here," we're frequently told. But we do.

"I don't think she's a threat to gay rights at all," Baptiste tells us. He and his boyfriend Anthony are both voting for Marine Le Pen.

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"It is true that maybe her father was more reluctant, but a lot of people in the political party now are homosexual and she never says she finds it unnatural."

Polls suggest the party is now more popular in the LGBT community than perhaps many would want to admit.

Of the 3,200 gay French men the dating app Hornet spoke to, one in five said they would be giving Marine Le Pen their vote.

Other polling in the aftermath of the 2015 regional elections suggested the FN was more popular among married gay men than the general population.

So what is it about Marine Le Pen that appeals directly to some LGBT voters? For many, it's her tough stance on immigration.

"Where are the gays most in danger? In Islamic countries," says Pascale, who doesn't want to be photographed.

"Gay people are being crucified - it's a danger and I don't want it coming to France, definitely not."

But further north, in the poorer and more multicultural suburb of Pont-de-Flandre, it's a different picture.

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"The FN supporters you spoke to, were they white?" house DJ Kiddy Smiles asks us, "Yes? I'm not surprised."

The Spice Girls and Madonna both feature prominently in the set he's playing at a local gay bar. 

"I don't want to say this, but I feel like a lot of LGBT people are very selfish. They feel like they're not targets for the FN any more so they think it's OK to vote for them.

"Marine Le Pen has been very smart by preaching that homosexuals are a target for Muslims. 

"I don't think she dislikes gay people, I think she's just telling the people on the right what they want to hear.

"Is she actually going to repeal same sex marriage? I don't care. Just the fact she thinks it's OK to say it makes her very dangerous."

Eleven candidates are in the race for the French presidency.

There are four front-runners and there'll be a run-off between the two leading candidates on 7 May if no-one gets an outright majority.

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That's not LGBT people, it's just people. It doesn't even make sense. Some criticize these folks for voting FN by saying they are traitors to gay rights, others say they're selfish for voting for FN because they know Le Pen won't affect gay rights. Well which is it? There is diversity of thought in the would-be LGBT community, not everyone is on the left (or should be). That's nothing new. Being gay is not a cult.

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When you don't understand why it's wrong to be gay and vote for Le Pen, you clearly have to go back to school and to open some books.

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