UK Election 4th July

[Confessit]

Any other Brits in following the election campaign?

You can hardly move with TV debates and press coverage !!

I think Labour are returning to power with a comfortable majority 

But I think the conservatives will be hammered next month and may for the first time in history, become a lesser party in parliament with the reform party becoming the main opposition!

Its changing times in British politics 

[nightcutter]

I expect Labour to win.

I will be voting for them most likely. Possibly Lib Dems might get my vote, but Labour have it in the bag for my constituency, so a vote for the Lib Dems might be wasted. 

I hate the electioneering and TV debates. I don't know who they appeal to. 

[Confessit]

13 minutes ago, nightcutter said:

I expect Labour to win.

I will be voting for them most likely. Possibly Lib Dems might get my vote, but Labour have it in the bag for my constituency, so a vote for the Lib Dems might be wasted. 

I hate the electioneering and TV debates. I don't know who they appeal to. 

I’ve enjoyed them so far but it’s been fast and furious this last fortnight they are everywhere !

Good for you!!! Labour certainly get my vote as well!!

Any more Brits in ??? Who’s voting ??

[jonski43]

On 6/15/2024 at 11:09 AM, Confessit said:

I’ve enjoyed them so far but it’s been fast and furious this last fortnight they are everywhere !

Good for you!!! Labour certainly get my vote as well!!

Any more Brits in ??? Who’s voting ??

I can't wait for the election. Everything just feels so heavy at the moment and a change in government will be a positive boost. 

Labour will win by a landslide and Tories could have their worst election in around a hundred years. Sunak could also be the first prime minister to lose his seat but he'll be off to the US as soon as he can seat l anyway. 

It will be interesting to see if Reform become the main opposition too. 

I'm in a massive Labour area and will vote Labour as all the other parties just seem mental at the moment. 

It will also be interesting to see what happens in Scotland. SNP and Labour are neck and neck now I think.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Time to start the process to re-join the EU. Unfortunately no rebates this time. 

[jonski43]

2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Time to start the process to re-join the EU. Unfortunately no rebates this time. 

I definitely think the new government will try and move us closer to Europe which will be great but they can't say anything yet. 

Whether we'll rejoin completely is another matter. 

[Paul Wade]

The tories have already got one foot out of the door. Unfortunately there isn't much of a distinction between the 2 main parties. At the risk of sounding like an old cynic,regardless of who gets voted in,it's the same old rhetoric that get trotted out,the men who say it are just wearing a different coloured tie. No wonder there is such apathy towards politicians in general. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Just saw on CNN a guy named Steve Endacott who wants a parliamentary seat and he says he will be guided by AI. The guy is a nutjob. All the nonsense he was talking, his understanding what democracy is. It's crazy. Where are those people coming from? Hard to believe there are actually people voting for this kind of politician. Or maybe it's all a scam and akll he wants is the attention. 

[debord]

I've already voted Green. Obviously Labour will win but hopefully the Greens will have a strong showing to show Labour that its hard move to the right and embrace of e.g. anti-migrant rhetoric and Tory arguments about economics are only storing up trouble. Labour today is indistinguishable from the Tory party in so many ways, and that's a big part of why they're doing so well unfortunately.

[GOD]

10 hours ago, debord said:

I've already voted Green. Obviously Labour will win but hopefully the Greens will have a strong showing to show Labour that its hard move to the right and embrace of e.g. anti-migrant rhetoric and Tory arguments about economics are only storing up trouble. Labour today is indistinguishable from the Tory party in so many ways, and that's a big part of why they're doing so well unfortunately.

This!

[Confessit]

I will be voting Labour but I am a life long Labour supporter.

The tories have brought Britain to its knees we are in one hell of a state.

I think Reform could very likely be the major opposition.

I think the tories are about to wiped out

[Confessit]

On 6/24/2024 at 1:48 PM, Paul Wade said:

The tories have already got one foot out of the door. Unfortunately there isn't much of a distinction between the 2 main parties. At the risk of sounding like an old cynic,regardless of who gets voted in,it's the same old rhetoric that get trotted out,the men who say it are just wearing a different coloured tie. No wonder there is such apathy towards politicians in general. 

I agree but I can’t vote anyone other than Labour. I don’t feel compelled enough to vote for anyone else

Local councils are an outrage, I mean my city Nottingham went bankrupt last year but they spent 10 million on a bloody library !

 

[Confessit]

Now fishy rishi wants to change the equality act it’s dangerous.

He must go!

[Lolasmommy]

5 hours ago, Confessit said:

Now fishy rishi wants to change the equality act it’s dangerous.

He must go!

He doesn't need to change it and neither does starmer. The protections for cis-women (& other vulnerable groups) are already written into the legislation 

[Confessit]

5 hours ago, Lolasmommy said:

He doesn't need to change it and neither does starmer. The protections for cis-women (& other vulnerable groups) are already written into the legislation 

That’s not how I understand it.

If you have a Gender Reassignment Certificate you are able to take a spot in that genders space, such as a hospital ward which is what happens now.

Im unsure of what protection you are referring to for cis-woman?

Providing you have transitioned you are treated like that gender and have access to those gender only spaces.

I am not aware that a cis-woman/cis-man can currently challenge the legislation at an individual level?

Its the law.

Or can you successfully challenge it and have a trans person removed ?

Because that’s what all these campaigns are currently for ….. they want trans people out of those spaces and into spaces that match their birth sex.

[Confessit]

On 6/24/2024 at 1:48 PM, Paul Wade said:

The tories have already got one foot out of the door. Unfortunately there isn't much of a distinction between the 2 main parties. At the risk of sounding like an old cynic,regardless of who gets voted in,it's the same old rhetoric that get trotted out,the men who say it are just wearing a different coloured tie. No wonder there is such apathy towards politicians in general. 

No lies detected !

Who are you voting for next week ?

[Confessit]

On 6/15/2024 at 10:54 AM, nightcutter said:

I expect Labour to win.

I will be voting for them most likely. Possibly Lib Dems might get my vote, but Labour have it in the bag for my constituency, so a vote for the Lib Dems might be wasted. 

I hate the electioneering and TV debates. I don't know who they appeal to. 

Trouble is we have had 4 solid weeks of t.

TV debates like there’s no tomorrow !

I’ve never known such an aggressive campaign 

[Lolasmommy]

16 hours ago, Confessit said:

That’s not how I understand it.

If you have a Gender Reassignment Certificate you are able to take a spot in that genders space, such as a hospital ward which is what happens now.

Im unsure of what protection you are referring to for cis-woman?

Providing you have transitioned you are treated like that gender and have access to those gender only spaces.

I am not aware that a cis-woman/cis-man can currently challenge the legislation at an individual level?

Its the law.

Or can you successfully challenge it and have a trans person removed ?

Because that’s what all these campaigns are currently for ….. they want trans people out of those spaces and into spaces that match their birth sex.

Okay, I understand it better now. Thanks, but I don't think Cis-women are saying they want trans people in to be in "spaces that match their sex"; they do recognise the need for trans spaces/ safety to. It's dangerous on both sides to twist each others point to demonise the other which needs to stop before everyone can sit together & ask the other "what are your concerns, what are u afraid of, what do u need me to do to help you"

[Confessit]

7 minutes ago, Lolasmommy said:

Okay, I understand it better now. Thanks, but I don't think Cis-women are saying they want trans people in to be in "spaces that match their sex"; they do recognise the need for trans spaces/ safety to. It's dangerous on both sides to twist each others point to demonise the other which needs to stop before everyone can sit together & ask the other "what are your concerns, what are u afraid of, what do u need me to do to help you"

That’s exactly what JK Rowling is campaigning against.

She doesn’t want trans women in woman’s only spaces because she says they are men.

You will end up with fully transitioned woman being shipped off to the male wards in hospitals which is just crazy considering they have new birth certificates and have legal status as woman.

And labour haven’t fully backed off from doing it themselves yet (although they are mildly more progressive).

Thats what makes it dangerous they are about to undo years of progression especially if they get the equality act re-written.

[Confessit]

[LSD]

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I wonder who those people are that vote for Reform. At this point Farage should be persona non grata. 

[cardiganstarlet]

2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I wonder who those people are that vote for Reform. At this point Farage should be persona non grata. 

Bottom feeders.

At some point you just need to accept that a (not so small) percentage of the country gravitate towards racism, hate, and the ‘strong man’ persona. They will never be reasoned with as they’re beyond misinformed and have a warped view of society in that it has robbed them. And in some instances that’s true but if you ask them to reflect on their voting patterns they’ll just stare at you blankly.

The problem is this percentage of people are highly dangerous and drag the rest of us down with them with their voting habits.

I hope Labour will use this opportunity to enact change and start real conversations about policies but I’m not so sure. It seems centre left parties (lol) across western countries are so determined to appear quasi conservative to appeal to constituents who will never vote for them at the next election cycle, that they end up wasting their time in power.

Then again, maybe I’m just old and jaded.

[promise to try]

410! wow!

[jonski43]

5 hours ago, promise to try said:

410! wow!

Yes, a good win! Reform got more votes than the Liberals but fewer seats! 

It will be interesting to see what Starmer does to sort out the internal factions in the party. The booing of Jess Phillips was a disgrace. 

[promise to try]

can somebody tell me what was/is the Rwanda plan? because I don´t know if I have understood it corerctly: was the british government planning on sending all the refugees to Kigali? even the ones that weren´t from there?

[jonski43]

On 7/6/2024 at 12:21 PM, promise to try said:

can somebody tell me what was/is the Rwanda plan? because I don´t know if I have understood it corerctly: was the british government planning on sending all the refugees to Kigali? even the ones that weren´t from there?

I think the aim was to send any refugee who failed to get legal status in Britain. Rather than deport them back to their country of origin, they'd send them to Rwanda. Apparently, they only had space for a few hundred if I'm correct.

Such a stupid idea and good that it has been binned.

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

1 hour ago, jonski43 said:

I think the aim was to send any refugee who failed to get legal status in Britain. Rather than deport them back to their country of origin, they'd send them to Rwanda. Apparently, they only had space for a few hundred if I'm correct.

Such a stupid idea and good that it has been binned.

 

I thought all refugees / illegal immigrants were meant to be send to Rwanda immediately. In Rwanda (at the British Embassy?) they could file for asylum in the UK. If approved they could enter the UK legally. If refused they had to go back to their home country. 

I saw a report about this and they said that Australia is having such system for quite some time. They send them to an island, Nauru. Australia says since this policy has been implemented and became general knowledge, the attempts to enter Australia illegally have decreased significantly. In fact, immigration has increased. But legally. Also, the number of people dying from crossing the ocean to reach Australia has decreased. As inhumane as the whole system sounds in the first place, the fact that it may actually safe lives appears to be a positive aspect. Especially considering the number of people dying in the attempt to reach Europe from Africa. But I have my doubts that the former British government did this to save lifes. To me it looked more like propanda to secure votes for their party. That said, Europe is intended to do the same now. Ursula von der Leyen has been on several trips to African countries recently to make similar deals. 

[jonski43]

7 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I thought all refugees / illegal immigrants were meant to be send to Rwanda immediately. In Rwanda (at the British Embassy?) they could file for asylum in the UK. If approved they could enter the UK legally. If refused they had to go back to their home country. 

I saw a report about this and they said that Australia is having such system for quite some time. They send them to an island, Nauru. Australia says since this policy has been implemented and became general knowledge, the attempts to enter Australia illegally have decreased significantly. In fact, immigration has increased. But legally. Also, the number of people dying from crossing the ocean to reach Australia has decreased. As inhumane as the whole system sounds in the first place, the fact that it may actually safe lives appears to be a positive aspect. Especially considering the number of people dying in the attempt to reach Europe from Africa. But I have my doubts that the former British government did this to save lifes. To me it looked more like propanda to secure votes for their party. That said, Europe is intended to do the same now. Ursula von der Leyen has been on several trips to African countries recently to make similar deals. 

That's what I thought but then it came out that they only had space for a few hundred. But it was both propaganda and a similar style deterrent. It did actually work because the migrants started to go to Ireland instead. 

Did you see the report about Greece? How they threw migrants into the sea and let them drown and slashed their boats? Shocking.

An Australian friend of said the Australian guards used to just make the boats turn around and wouldn't let them come in but it did have a positive effect. 

[cardiganstarlet]

Actually the Australia policy is VERY problematic and has really been a win for conservative politics only, hence why it’s travelled by word of mouth and used be certain political groups as a ‘successful response’. It’s what inspired the UK conservative party’s obscene Rwanda scheme.

By ‘stopping the boats’ our Australian Conservative Party was able to claim they had won the issue. And Labor have been too scared to touch it since. But what this actually involves is ‘offshore processing’ whereby Australia pays other countries to dump the refugees there. And the treatment of refugees includes mandatory detention, overcrowding, inadequate health care including mental health care, assault, sexual abuse, self-harm, ill-treatment and suspicious deaths. All illegal under UN conventions.

But because it’s all done under ‘offshore processing’ the Australian government is able to claim they’re not responsible.

Just one example of the ridiculousness of the policy - in 2014, the Australian Government agreed to pay the Cambodian government $55 million AUD to resettle refugees from Nauru. Cambodia agreed to take only those who agreed to go. Only seven did and most of them have now left Cambodia.

Just shows what a political football the issue is. Ignorant people screaming that refugees are coming to live off benefits but happy for the government to use tax payers money to send them elsewhere.