XXL Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, jamesshot said: We'll never know why she felt so strongly. We can feel it was right or wrong but this woman has gone through so much and been betrayed so much I don't blame her. I do think she needs to be more (maybe she is) cognizant of the perception of her. So many don't get to see the dynamic, warm, funny person she is. Probably this too, yes
XXL Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, ursula said: I don't see it. You almost sound like a random lefty woman whose liberal periods are clouding her socialist judgement! /s Another troll??
articunocc Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 12 hours ago, neeto_mosqueeto said: So... you think an artist like Madonna should avoid uttering the word rape because you think that it may cause a pr disaster. What you’ve just said is extremely offensive, truly. Rape is a horrible thing that no one should have to live through. Madonna is a rape survivor. She is a woman in full. She can say whatever the fuck she wants. She doesn’t need your approval or disapproval for that matter because you want a palatable milquetoast Madonna era. The shit my fellow fans say sometimes... damn. i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of
FreeMySoul Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of cha cha away.
Michael. Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of So her experience wasn't "rapey" enough for you. Seriously fuck off. This isn't even a Madonna issue. Honestly how the fuck do metaphors help rape victims. It's like saying people can't say "killed" in case you know someone who was murdered. Rather than focus on actual victims and their problems lets focus on the insignificant. The "right" wing do it too. You can't use war as a metaphor because its offensive. This shit really fucking irks me.
Herfaceremains Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 I’m not sure I understand. @articunocc Are you sharing that you were raped? If so, I’m very sorry you experienced something so humanly challenging. However, as a person who has experienced such violation, isn’t it then up to you/us to extend the right to all victims to process their emotions and their subsequent stance as they see fit? A little empathy goes a long way toward understanding where other people are coming from. Perhaps her use of it makes you uncomfortable because you are still figuring out your own feelings? We all are. I too have been a victim of abuse. I choose not to define myself by victimhood any longer as it doesn’t serve me, but it doesn’t give me the right to tell someone else they are wrong for feeling what they feel. Peace.
Michael. Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 The use of the term rape as a metaphor is to describe the massive violation of oneself in a different context. Hence the definition of metaphor. Fuck these simpletons.
karbatal Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of Ok gurrrl
articunocc Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 it's basic af, i'm sorry not sorry, she got told on the article it's inappropriate and frankly classless to do such a sloppy immature comment and she doubles down on it like a child, i'm a fan but this is as simple, reductive and unnuanced as it gets... obviously the gp is going to have a field day on her comment... and they should because getting a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped, as someone called me up there it's the most simpleton thing i can imagine...
mtzlplk Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Napoléon said: The use of the term rape as a metaphor is to describe the massive violation of oneself in a different context. Hence the definition of metaphor. Fuck these simpletons. AGREE! The word 'rape' doesn't always pertain to intercourse.
air1975 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of I'm so sorry you had to go through that, articunocc. I see you are a new addition to the forum - welcome! As you can see, things can get passionate and heated around here. But - welcome to the Madonna fan community. I think one thing we can all agree on is - Long May She Reign!
karbatal Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, articunocc said: it's basic af, i'm sorry not sorry, she got told on the article it's inappropriate and frankly classless to do such a sloppy immature comment and she doubles down on it like a child, i'm a fan but this is as simple, reductive and unnuanced as it gets... obviously the gp is going to have a field day on her comment... and they should because getting a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped, as someone called me up there it's the most simpleton thing i can imagine...
Kurt420 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, articunocc said: it's basic af, i'm sorry not sorry, she got told on the article it's inappropriate and frankly classless to do such a sloppy immature comment and she doubles down on it like a child, i'm a fan but this is as simple, reductive and unnuanced as it gets... obviously the gp is going to have a field day on her comment... and they should because getting a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped, as someone called me up there it's the most simpleton thing i can imagine... First, truly sorry for your experience. I have to say though, I'm not here for this overtly PC bullshit. Seriously, do you not understand a metaphor? When I love something here, I may say "I'm dead"......obviously, I'm not.....so, should someone that maybe lost a friend or relative recently go in on me for saying "I'm dead"?? Where do we draw the line? I ask this in all sincerity, do you think we've gotten to a point where it's best to speak in strictly literal terms?
Kurt420 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, Genevieve Vavance said: Everyone is so literal nowadays goddd It's frightening.....seriously.
Carey Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of Very sorry to hear about your experience. But people are entitled to their own reactions and expressions of that reaction, not everyone's experience is the same and even if two people have experienced the same thing, we can't expect both of them to perceive it and their take on the world in the same ways. She is entitled to her expression, as are you. What we shouldn't fall into the trap of is going down the road of projecting that one person is handling their life experiences in a "better" way than someone else, it's all valid.
Kurt420 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 If I'm inundated with work, incredibly frustrated and scream "I feel like I'm drowning!!"....is that offensive to someone that lost a loved one in an actual drowning? If I work under someone that is just a straight up asshole with no consideration to anyone and I say it's like "working under Hitler"....is that offensive to people that DID live under his reign? If I'm having a HORRIBLE day and say "ugh....I just need to go and hang myself".....is that offensive to people that have lost loved ones to suicide or have attempted suicide themselves? I get migraines....if I get a bad one and say "I swear I have a brain tumor", knowing full well I don't of course, is that offensive to those that have survived brain tumors or those that have lost loved ones because of that? So many questions.....where is the line?
Samo Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 So this Denise Welch in Australia on a show called Loose Women, just went on a nasty anti Madonna rant and mocked her "old tits" Wow, once again, women hating on and attacking other women Let's blame the patriarchy!
air1975 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Samo said: So this Denise Welch in Australia on a show called Loose Women, just went on a nasty anti Madonna rant and mocked her "old tits" Fuck her, whoever the hell she is.
Guest jamesshot Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, XXL said: Another great point, thank you. Sometimes even some of her own fans forget this in their assessment of Madonna, both as a person and as an artist What other artist could survive and endure such treatment? Not only survive and endure, but to go on to have a career where she has no equal on every level. I don't know how she does or did it. Can anyone think of an artist who could have thrived with what Madonna has had to deal with in the press?
rebelvvv Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 I'm sure Madonna's going to love reading the editor's reply about why she's mad, saying "Madonna is often inarticulate"...
air1975 Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kurt420 said: If I'm inundated with work, incredibly frustrated and scream "I feel like I'm drowning!!"....is that offensive to someone that lost a loved one in an actual drowning? If I work under someone that is just a straight up asshole with no consideration to anyone and I say it's like "working under Hitler"....is that offensive to people that DID live under his reign? If I'm having a HORRIBLE day and say "ugh....I just need to go and hang myself".....is that offensive to people that have lost loved ones to suicide or have attempted suicide themselves? I get migraines....if I get a bad one and say "I swear I have a brain tumor", knowing full well I don't of course, is that offensive to those that have survived brain tumors or those that have lost loved ones because of that? So many questions.....where is the line? I think that's a tricky question to answer - I don't think there is a solid and easily discernible line. Of course, there is a difference between saying "I'm dead tired" and "I'm working so hard, I feel like I'm in a Nazi concentration camp".. where exactly that line is - who knows? I guess its a matter of personal judgment, and sensitivity (either over-sensitivity or under-sensitivity). I know I am in the minority on this board - but I feel that her comparing disappointment at an article/journalist to being raped was extreme, and makes her seem petulant and illogical. I also want the general public to see the tender, warm, thoughtful, and generous side of Madge - the article did not show that. The article did paint her as demanding and fearsome in some ways. Madonna then reinforced that image with her social media rant. It frustrates me as a fan because I think this era is so terrific - and this stupid NYT controversy is taking bandwidth away from her amazing art. Peace to all fellow fans.
Guest jamesshot Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, air1975 said: I think that's a tricky question to answer - I don't think there is a solid and easily discernible line. Of course, there is a difference between saying "I'm dead tired" and "I'm working so hard, I feel like I'm in a Nazi concentration camp".. where exactly that line is - who knows? I guess its a matter of personal judgment, and sensitivity (either over-sensitivity or under-sensitivity). I know I am in the minority on this board - but I feel that her comparing disappointment at an article/journalist to being raped was extreme, and makes her seem petulant and illogical. I also want the general public to see the tender, warm, thoughtful, and generous side of Madge - the article did not show that. The article did paint her as demanding and fearsome in some ways. Madonna then reinforced that image with her social media rant. It frustrates me as a fan because I think this era is so terrific - and this stupid NYT controversy is taking bandwidth away from her amazing art. Peace to all fellow fans. Not necessarily. I feel most of us think it was unnecessary. I agree with you in some respects. She did herself no favors by saying what she did. To her, and what she has been through, it probably made perfect sense and was justified. I've said this here and it bears repeating- she needs to be more cognizant of how she comes across more. Maybe she is and doesn't give af and that is her right. I just wish she would not muddy the waters using something like this to make her point. Her point gets lost and all anyone can do is react to that instead of her main gripe. No matter what, she is often damned if she does and damned if she doesn't and I am fucking sick of it. I wonder if The View dragged her today?
Genevieve Vavance Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, FreeMySoul said: No mention on The View no mention by Whoopsie?
Guest neeto_mosqueeto Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 2 hours ago, articunocc said: i was raped man and i think the way she uses the word rape is tacky and tasteless and cringe, she should retire it because having a lukewarm interview on the new york times isn't the same as getting raped... end of Let people express themselves. People that monitor other people’s speech are nitpicking control freaks. Monitor your own ideas and how you choose to express yourself. Fuck.
MadFan Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 @Kurt420 To answer your question, rape specifically is very taboo and shied away from in general, I've noticed this many times. It's considered the worst of the assaults and is handled even more delicately than murder when discussing it, reporting about it, and depicting it. (e.g. in film, books etc.) Whether that's right or wrong who knows (I personally find it ridiculous and a result of the puritanical let's keep it hush hush thing), but either way Madonna using it will elicit a much stronger reaction than a murder, drowning etc. metaphor.
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