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Well yet AGAIN Hillary and the Obama admin was cleared of any direct wrongdoing in the Benghazi.

I knew years ago when this started becoming an issue on Fox News.....I was visiting my dad, and my uncle watches nothing but Fox News and the second they started making an issue out of this I said give me a break. This is nothing but propaganda bullshit. NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!!

The government could have saved million with this committee that investigated this for 2 years by just getting my verdict. :madgemanson:

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Have watched 5 minutes of Trump giving his economy speech in Pennsylvania. Had to turn it off. This guy is so clueless. Quoting people like Washington, Hamilton and Lincoln. How is what say said hundreds of years ago about the economy of their time relevant to todays situation? Ridiculous. Just as his ongoing ramblings about China. I'm no fan of Chinese business tactics at all but Trumps claims that China is responsible for the huge trade deficit of the U.S. Here is the incovenient truth: if American people would not buy all the cheap Chinese goods and buy (much more expensive) American instead your trade deficit wasn't so high. Unfortunately many American people must buy Chinese because a) there is no American product available or more importantly b) they are so poor they have to choose the cheapest option, that usually is Chinese.

And his talk about trade deals? He wants to cancel them all. Fine. I'm sure all the Amercian companies that are suing foreign governments left and right for billions and billions on the basis of those trade deals will be hardly happy. Why? Because those governments dared to pass laws that may lower their profits in the future. Translation: the general public of foreign countries is supposed to pay the profits of American companies.

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Love this. After a speech today to Canadian Parliament he gets a standing ovation followed by a chant of "FOUR MORE YEARS!"

How I wish it could be so.

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I get serial killer vibes from Justin Trudeau. As if he's got a lot to hide.

He's cool honestly. I never thought I would say this but he is like a breath of fresh air. After 9 years of wrong conservative decision he is more than welcome.

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I look to Nate Silver. He is usually right on with his predictions based on poll models and calculations. He has Hillary with an 80% chance of winning right now and Trump 20% chance.

Right wing media also dragged him through the mud before the 2012 election when many polls showed Romney winning it. And Nate kept insisting many of these were wrong and he was written off as a left wing biased liberal. Cut to after the 2012 election and he was right on the money calling every state but one!

And of course on the other side you have ding bats like Dick Morris who insisted based on looking at polls that Romney was going to win by a landslide. :lol:

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I look to Nate Silver. He is usually right on with his predictions based on poll models and calculations. He has Hillary with an 80% chance of winning right now and Trump 20% chance.

Right wing media also dragged him through the mud before the 2012 election when many polls showed Romney winning it. And Nate kept insisting many of these were wrong and he was written off as a left wing biased liberal. Cut to after the 2012 election and he was right on the money calling every state but one!

And of course on the other side you have ding bats like Dick Morris who insisted based on looking at polls that Romney was going to win by a landslide. :lol:

Why you should never use Rasmussen:
The 2012 Presidential election
The final Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll showed Mitt Romney with 49 percent national support and President Obama with 48 percent national support. Obama won the election by close to 4 percentage points.
The final Rasmussen Reports' pre-election polls showed Obama winning Nevada and New Hampshire, tying Romney in Ohio and Wisconsin, and losing in the other five swing states, including North Carolina. Obama won in the swing states of Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, and Virginia, while Romney took North Carolina.
A Fordham University study by Dr. Costas Panagopoulos compared pre-election polling with the results from election day. The study ranked Rasmussen Reports 24th out of 28 polls in accuracy, one slot above Gallup.
An analysis by Nate Silver on FiveThirtyEight ranked Rasmussen 20th out of 23 pollsters for accuracy in the 2012 elections with an average error of 4.2 points.
After the election, James Rainey of the Los Angeles Times wrote that "Some conservative media outlets used the Rasmussen polling to prop up a narrative in the final days of the campaign that Romney had momentum and a good chance of winning the White House."
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2016-u-s-election-a-possible-repeat-of-the-1964-election/5533119

Canadian economist and professor emeritus at the Univeristy of Montreal Rodrigue Tremblay on the current American presidential race
The 2016 U.S. Election: A Possible Repeat of the 1964 Election?
The way this 2016 American presidential election is unfolding, there is a good chance that it could be a repeat of the 1964 U.S. election. In both instances, a Democratic presidential candidate is facing a flawed and frightening Republican presidential candidate who multiplies provocative and reckless statements and off-hand comments.
Politicians sometimes forget that, once elected, they are expected to serve all the people, not their narrow base of fanatical partisans. In that regard, their public statements are very important because they give a clue about what type of public servant a candidate would be. A candidate can easily self-destruct if he or she forgets that, when talking to partisans, the entire electorate is listening. Strong statements, good or bad, remain in people’sconsciousness when time comes to vote.
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Let us look back 52 years to the 1964 U.S. election. Seeking election in his own right was sitting Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson (1908-1973), who had taken office in 1963 following President John F. Kennedy’s assassination, and who was about to escalate the Vietnam War, which ended up costing the lives of 58,000 Americans and the lives of more than a million Vietnamese. His Republican opponent was Senator Barry Goldwater (1909-1998) of Arizona, who had fought against the party establishment and succeeded in winning the Republican nomination over New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller.
In 1964, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater (right) soon developed an image as an extremist on many issues with a series of reckless and ill-thought out statements. For instance, in foreign policy, he advocated using ‘low-yield’nuclear weapons in Vietnam and in Europe. Domestically, he wanted to make Social Security voluntary. He even suggested that the United States would be better off if the entire East Coast of the country were cut off and sent out to sea!
Goldwater was never able to shake off his image as an extremist on many issues, and he was never in a position to unmask the Democratic candidate’s war plans. This was a key factor in his crushing defeat in November 1964: Lyndon B. Johnson (image left below) won about 61 percent of the vote to Goldwater’s 39 percent, and took all but six states.
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Therefore after the election, President Johnson had a free hand in escalading the Vietnam War, especially considering that the U.S. Congress had already adopted the infamous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, on August 7, 1964. The disastrous war would last ten more years, until 1975.
There is a good chance that history might repeat itself next November.
Indeed, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has been acting as if he doesn’t really care whether he wins the election or not, drawing attention to himself with outlandish statements and reckless comments, presumably designed to shock and create free “publicity” for his candidacy.
One day candidate Trump wants to adopt torture as a public policy. The next day, he wants to prevent Muslims from entering the United States and build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico to stop illegal Mexican immigration. Later on, he advocates using nuclear missiles against Islamist terrorists in the Middle East, and—throwing away any humanitarian principle—even kill their families.
Domestically, he wants to abolish Obamacare, but so far, he has not spelled out any replacement. Etc. etc. etc!
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Moreover, he doesn’t mind contradicting himself. Sometimes, he rebuts the pro-Israel lobby, professing not to need its money. But then, he lets his Middle East advisor state that a Trump administration would give the Israeli government a free hand in expropriating the Palestinians.
Since Mr. Trump has no government experience of any kind, one would think that he would consult about policy issues he knows little about, before issuing a statement. This does not seem to be the case. He even jokes: “my primary consultant is myself.” That is a sobering thought. The candidate does not seem to have an overall plan; everything seems to be left to improvisation.
This indicates a lack of discipline. Indeed, candidate Trump seems to be his own worst enemy. As a businessman, Mr. Trump may have great qualities. As a politician, he seems to be lacking in political instincts, self-control and restraint.
As a result of his flippancy and inconsistencies, Mr. Trump’s poll numbers are slipping badly, not because people necessarily like the alternative Democratic choice, but mainly because they become increasingly disillusioned by the lack of seriousness on candidate Trump’s part. They sense that he is unstable and unpredictable, that he has no plan and no program.
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All this is a free gift to Democratic presidential Hillary Clinton who has to defend 40 years of political involvement. Unless an unexpected event occurs, and unless Mr. Trump changes profoundly his approach, the choice in the U.S. next November will be between two main candidates with net negative approval ratings, and the candidate with the lowest net negative rating will win, by default.
One would think that the American electorate deserves better.
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I love how Hillary's Dem Convention is no doubt going to be filled with so many well respected heavy hitters....Some I think we know will be there, but others I am just assuming, but...

Obama

Biden

Michelle?

Warren

Sanders

Cory Booker?

Bill?

While NO ONE with any gravitas seems to want to go near Trumps. Who is he going to have?

Palin? :lmao:

Dude from Duck Dynasty? :lmao:

Christ Christie (Our unpopular as hell Governor)

Sean Hannity? :lmao:

It's going to be a clown show in a psych ward.

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Hillary's being interviewed today by the FBI for the emails and my question is this. Wasn't it revealed that Powell and Rice did the same thing? Why aren't they in trouble too? If you dismiss it merely as because this a Republican witch hunt and they're Republicans that doesn't make sense either. Why aren't DEMOCRATS bringing it up as a weapon then? It seems like if they did, a lot of this would become a wash in the election because "everyone does it."

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