HolidayGuy Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 Someone already posted what I had posted for info through 11/2. No need to get snippy with thebigham.
Guest boytoyville Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 You can see that the album is benifiting mostly from the stadium concerts. A lot more people get to see her when she does these and a lot more "casual" fans see her for those concerts and buy up the 165 tickets and lower while all the hardcore fans and rich people get the most expensive ones. Hope she does stadiums next time as well! ::
HolidayGuy Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 True- but, if she played multiple dates in a city, the attendance would be close to a one-stadium-show attendance figure (well, there's always going to be some who would see more than one show, but you get the drift). On the other hand, I'd agree that doing one large show probably creates more of a buzz and hype, and could impact sales a little more than a few shows at a venue.
Supernatural Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 What may be happening is, as we saw here, fans weren't feeling the first single (even if the public were) and warmed up to the album with the tour.
Nightshade Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 I am still arguing that Hard Candy has some decent word of mouth - at least among casual fans. The tour is a big factor too, but even before it impacted State-side, the drop offs weren't nearly as bad as they were with American Life.
HolidayGuy Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 But, American Life also was a lot older than Hard Candy was when their respective tours hit. AL was at 700-800/week when re-Invention began more than a year later. Also, I don't think it's a fact of people warming to the album post-4M- how would they know what's on it, with nothing after 4M getting any airplay? Unless it's a lot of Internet-savvy people checking it out online. Even with that, it's not like HC's sales have ballooned- it's just that it's selling nice and steadily.
Supernatural Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 Also, I don't think it's a fact of people warming to the album post-4M- how would they know what's on it, with nothing after 4M getting any airplay? Unless it's a lot of Internet-savvy people checking it out online. Even with that, it's not like HC's sales have ballooned- it's just that it's selling nice and steadily. That's how I was saying the tour was possibly helping, fans disinterested in the album (initially) but still going to the tour and then changing their minds.
Guest boytoyville Posted November 24, 2008 Posted November 24, 2008 I hope the album can hold on 1 more week and make it an even 30!
HolidayGuy Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 Still not sure why HC wasn't bulleted on the 11/22 Billboard 200- overall album sales were up just 3%, and HC gained 11%. Unless volume on the BB 200 was up more than 11%... and, some other titles had big climbs in rank but were't bulleted. On the 11/29 chart (and overall?), volume probably was up more than 11%- plus, HC dropped 15 spots, so a bullet would have looked odd.
Guest Bad Robot Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 Thanks for answering my question guys... sorry I've been out of the loop for awhile and haven't really been here. I did some quick poking around before I asked and just didn't see the right threads (or posts, I guess -- when it gets up to 11 pages it gets hard to find a specific piece of info).
Nightshade Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 But, American Life also was a lot older than Hard Candy was when their respective tours hit. AL was at 700-800/week when re-Invention began more than a year later. Yeah, but my point was American Life dropped off a lot faster (and saw double digit % drops well into September and October 2003) but Hard Candy's drops have been minimal since August - and that was 6 weeks before the tour even hit Stateside. Also, I don't think it's a fact of people warming to the album post-4M- how would they know what's on it, with nothing after 4M getting any airplay? Unless it's a lot of Internet-savvy people checking it out online. Even with that, it's not like HC's sales have ballooned- it's just that it's selling nice and steadily. Well, people don't watch MTV for the videos anymore, I don't see why it might NOT be online circulation. Even radio's audience is dwindling due to other media outlets. Plus word of mouth isn't necessarily something you can track nor does it typically cause huge upswings in sales - it can create a plateau from a downward drop which is why I was speculating that it might have helped. Again, I am not saying I know that is the reason - for a fact - just a possibility. Mariah's latest dropped off significantly in sales despite decent airplay - I can't think of many reasons why Hard Candy would've been able to keep up until the tour hit unless it was something like word of mouth.
just!ce Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 Still not sure why HC wasn't bulleted on the 11/22 Billboard 200- overall album sales were up just 3% What means bulleted?
Nightshade Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 What means bulleted? It's an indicator on the Billboard 200 which (usually) signifies a significant increase in sales (although I think it can represent the lowest declines too when sales are very low - overall - on the chart). The Billboard 200 online chart shows the indicator by having the chart-ranking number in a colored box. In the print edition of Billboard, it is represented by a circle around the chart-ranking number.
HolidayGuy Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 S&S did begin in late August, though- with the Internet and YouTube, it's possible some could have checked it out and then checked outthe album, who knows. So, ina way, the tour in general, not just the North American leg- could have had an impact in keeping it afloat.
Supernatural Posted November 25, 2008 Posted November 25, 2008 In the weeks prior to the tour the album was probably just aided by 4M being a big hit. Also, $10 a pop a Virgin probably helps, that sale started before the tour.
thebigham Posted November 25, 2008 Author Posted November 25, 2008 Target has HC on sale for $9.99 until 12/29.
mtzlplk Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 Target has HC on sale for $9.99 until 12/29. um, that's a sale price already?
thebigham Posted November 26, 2008 Author Posted November 26, 2008 Album at Target are usually $13.99.
Supernatural Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 ^ I can remember American Life being on sale for as "cheap" as 11.99 the first week, and after that it was 13.99 or more.... Warner usually saves the 9.99 sales for old titles.
Guest jamesshot Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 I think the commercial featuring 4M was hugely influential in it( and HC) being successful. I saw that Silk commercial all the time.
horn Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 I hope HC will get some Grammy nomination & press cover in the forthcoming Grammy event which will take place on 3rd Dec.
thebigham Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 HC falls off the Billboard 200 this week after 29 weeks. #200 has 3,575. HC probably dipped slightly below this.
HolidayGuy Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Not all that shocking- there are a lot of debuts once again this week, and sales were going to drop back following two consecutive weeks of gains.
goldtooth Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 29 weeks huh? Wow that's kind of annoying.
mtzlplk Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 oh gawd... Houston, Detroit, Philadelphia and Atlantic City didn't have any effect for sales week Nov 17 to Nov 23?
thebigham Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 ^It might have, but other albums gained more and pushed HC off the chart.
franxisco66 Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Not so surprised to see HC out of the top200 but i hope sales havent decreased so much,
Guest moboy Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Not all that shocking- there are a lot of debuts once again this week, and sales were going to drop back following two consecutive weeks of gains. Yeah, but to go from 4,100 to under 3,500 is surprising. Especially with all the shows during the tracking week.
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