Braby Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Way to go Madge, i defy anyone not to class this song as a flop now, it may end up outselling sorry and most of her other more recent second singles, but still, #7 is woefully low, compared with #1 for sorry, #2 for hollywood, #4 for dont tell me and #2 for ray of light, music climate may be different, but not THAT different. I think the main issue here is that she is just being lazy and complacent. What you just said is a contradiction in terms. "It may end up outselling her recent second singles" (presumably those you've just listed) but then you say "#7 is woefully low" and "it's a flop". So, which is it. If it outsells her recent second singles, chart position doesn't matter and is obviously successful, unless your calling Sorry, Don't Tell Me and ROL "flops". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Way to go Madge, i defy anyone not to class this song as a flop now, it may end up outselling sorry and most of her other more recent second singles, but still, #7 is woefully low, compared with #1 for sorry, #2 for hollywood, #4 for dont tell me and #2 for ray of light, music climate may be different, but not THAT different. I think the main issue here is that she is just being lazy and complacent. Yes, the climate is THAT different. Second singles won't be reaching high chart positions now. And Madonna is lazy? Did she promote "ROL", "Hollywood" or "Sorry"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braby Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Guys, the tour will start in 4-5 weeks, so HC sales can't be so catastrophic. Then there will be a third and a forth single to help sales. She can easily stay in the top40 until Xmas time and if that happens, HC won't catch Coadf, but could be more than 2xP. That's another problem with releasing a spring/summer album. There are virtually no shows to promote her shit on as all the shows have finished. What do people feel about her doing an X-factor performance when the season returns? Would people have an issue with that? Remember that show, along with Strictly Come Dancing, garners up to 11/12 million viewers. I know it's all very "Kylie" but The X Factor is a big-budget show and she doesn't necessarily have to talk to the contestants, simply perform in the results show. There's Saturday Night Takeaway which would be a good atmosphere because the audience are pissed from the free alcohol they're given before the show. At the moment, where is there to promote? It's either Loose Women or T4, both of which would lower her status completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnkm Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 What you just said is a contradiction in terms. "It may end up outselling her recent second singles" (presumably those you've just listed) but then you say "#7 is woefully low" and "it's a flop". So, which is it. If it outsells her recent second singles, chart position doesn't matter and is obviously successful, unless your calling Sorry, Don't Tell Me and ROL "flops". Re-reading what i wrote, it actually doesnt make sense at all, but what i meant to say was, it is a flop in terms of chart position, if that is how you choose to judge success, but not a flop if you choose to judge success by sales. Yes, the climate is THAT different. Second singles won't be reaching high chart positions now. And Madonna is lazy? Did she promote "ROL", "Hollywood" or "Sorry"? Well no, but she did considerably more promo for the first singles and the album with those, this whole era is lacking in promotion was my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braby Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Yes, the climate is THAT different. Second singles won't be reaching high chart positions now. And Madonna is lazy? Did she promote "ROL", "Hollywood" or "Sorry"? Fine, there wasn't promotion for second singles per se but plenty of promo when the album was released. ROL= National Lottery performance/Johnny Vaughn interview Hollywood= Jonathan Ross/CD UK/TOTP? Sorry= Parkinson/Brit Awards/Dermot O'Leary Interview HC= Nothing from what I can remember. Let me know if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Well no, but she did considerably more promo for the first singles and the album with those, this whole era is lacking in promotion was my point What does that have to do with the chart peak of the second single anyway? And yes, Madonna is not doing promo, but that's not her responsibility, that would be Warner's. She's about to do her biggest tour ever but you call her lazy because she didn't promote "Give It 2 Me" on British tv so it could reach the Top 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Fine, there wasn't promotion for second singles per se but plenty of promo when the album was released. ROL= National Lottery performance/Johnny Vaughn interview Hollywood= Jonathan Ross/CD UK/TOTP? Sorry= Parkinson/Brit Awards/Dermot O'Leary Interview HC= Nothing from what I can remember. Let me know if I'm wrong Again, what does that have to do where the second single peaks? All those shows just contributed to the first week of album sales, that's all, and to the lead off single, but "4 Minutes" became one of her biggest UK hits without any promo other than the Radio 1 gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eroticromance Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 What you just said is a contradiction in terms. "It may end up outselling her recent second singles" (presumably those you've just listed) but then you say "#7 is woefully low" and "it's a flop". So, which is it. If it outsells her recent second singles, chart position doesn't matter and is obviously successful, unless your calling Sorry, Don't Tell Me and ROL "flops". Exactly. The clear example is Take a bow, the single that spent more weeks at #1 in the States, but it sold more or less like You Must love me, that peaked at #18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 well, we all know that the peak position is not what defines a classic song, look at Holiday in the US, and it has sold a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franxisco66 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 You cant compare singles sales in 2005 with now. The same way that album sales have dropped, singl sales have increased a lot. If Sorry were released now, it would definetely outsell GI2M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fak Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 i dont think Madonna performed sorry on brit awards. i would hate to see madonna on x factor - its so kylie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braby Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 i dont think Madonna performed sorry on brit awards. i would hate to see madonna on x factor - its so kylie. If you can think of a better British promotional outlet, let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Madonna did not perform at the Brit Awards in 2006. Weren't there many fans who were jumping off bridges because Madonna chose to do the same "Hung Up" routine at the Grammy Awards instead of premiering "Sorry" at the Brits? Anyway, X-factor or not, I think it's safe to say Madonna is not going to appear on tv in this era unless the tour gets a live broadcast. Maybe if LN wants to push her more, she will be back on tv shows during the next era. But we have to accept Warner didn't push Madonna enough to promote on tv. I still fail to see why she has to be called lazy for that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanos Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 If you can think of a better British promotional outlet, let me know BIG BROTHER – there, I said it; even though the show is unwatchable it reaches every household in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hafo Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 UK Charts - July 27 Singles 1. (1) DANCE WIV ME (Dizzee Rascal feat Calvin Harris & Chrome) 4 wks 2. (3) ALL SUMMER LONG (Kid Rock) 4 wks 3. (5) NO AIR (Jordin Sparks feat Chris Brown) 9 wks 4. (6) CLOSER (Ne-Yo) 12 wks 5. (4) ALL I EVER WANTED (Basshunter) 4 wks 6. (9) SHUT UP AND LET ME GO (Ting Tings) 10 wks 7. (12) SWEET ABOUT ME (Gabriella Cilmi) 21 wks 8. (8) STAY WITH ME (Ironik) 5 wks 9. (11) TAKE A BOW (Rihanna) 11 wks 10. (7) GIVE IT 2 ME (Madonna) 9 wks 11. (17) BLACK & GOLD (Sam Sparro) 19 wks 12. (16) WARWICK AVENUE (Duffy) 14 wks 13. (15) THAT'S NOT MY NAME (Ting Tings) 11 wks 14. (24) 5 YEARS TIME (Noah & The Whale) 2 wks 15. (10) FOREVER (Chris Brown) 9 wks 16. (14) VIVA LA VIDA (Coldplay) 6 wks 17. (13) WE MADE IT (Busta Rhymes feat Linkin Park) 6 wks 18. (NEW) I LIKE YOU SO MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU’RE NAKED (Ida Maria) 1 wk 19. (42) HOMETOWN GLORY (Adele) 11 wks 20. (18) LOVE SONG (Sara Bareilles) 13 wks 21. (2) ONE FOR THE RADIO (McFly) 2 wks 22. (19) LOW (Flo Rida feat T-Pain) 25 wks 23. (28) AMERICAN BOY (Estelle feat Kanye West) 20 wks 24. (21) HEARTBREAKER (Will I Am feat Cheryl Cole) 18 wks 25. (20) PHOTOGRAPH (Nickelback) 11 wks 26. (23) WEARING MY ROLEX (Wiley) 14 wks 27. (26) CRY FOR YOU (September) 16 wks 28. (35) MOVING MOUNTAINS (Usher) 5 wks 29. (22) 4 MINUTES (Madonna feat Justin Timberlake & Timbaland) 19 wks 30. (NEW) THE MAN WHO CAN’T BE MOVED (Script) 1 wk 31. (41) DISCOLIGHTS (Ultrabeat vs Darren Styles) 3 wks 32. (27) ALL THE TIMES I CRIED (Sharleen Spiteri) 4 wks 33. (33) WITH YOU (Chris Brown) 25 wks 34. (25) SHINE ON (Kooks) 5 wks 35. (49) SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (Mint Royale) 13 wks 36. (40) TEN THOUSAND NIGHTS (Alphabeat) 10 wks 37. (53) HEARTBEAT (Scouting For Girls) 19 wks 38. (30) LOVE IN THIS CLUB (Usher feat Young Jeezy) 18 wks 39. (32) MERCY (Duffy) 24 wks 40. (29) BEAT IT (Fall Out Boy feat John Mayer) 15 wks 44. (52) SWEET HOME ALABAMA (Lynyrd Skynyrd) 7 wks 47. (RE) DISTURBIA (Rihanna) 50. (NEW)(103) YOU WOT (DJ Q feat MC Bonez) 1 wk 54. (60) GREAT DJ (Ting Tings) 5 wks 55. (RE)(76) BETTER IN TIME / FOOTPRINTS IN THE SAND (Leona Lewis) 56. (57) MAMMA MIA (Abba) 58. (RE) BUILT TO LAST (Melee) 1 wk 59. (RE)(106) CAN'T SPEAK FRENCH (Girls Aloud) 61. (69) HONEY HONEY (Original Cast Recording) 2 wks 67. (RE)(115) ITS NOT ABOUT YOU (Scouting For Girls) 68. (NEW) JULY (Natty) 1 wk 70. (RE)(196) COPS AND ROBBERS (Hoosiers) 71. (NEW) THE GIRL I LOVE (Hamfatter) 1 wk 72. (NEW)(101) THE GREAT ESCAPE (Boys Like Girls) 1 wk 74. (135) PSYCHOSOCIAL (Slipknot) 1 wk 76. (94) PICTURES (Sneaky Sound System) 77. (NEW) 21ST CENTURY LIFE (Sam Sparro) 84. (NEW) STRYDERMAN (Tinchy Stryder) 85. (153) BECAUSE THE NIGHT (Cascada) 93. (NEW) WHAT I WANT (Bob Sinclar Presents Fireball) Albums (Top 40) 1. (2) VIVA LA VIDA OR DEATH AND ALL HIS FRIENDS (Coldplay) 7 wks 2. (5) GOLD – GREATEST HITS (Abba) 364 wks 3. (1) NOW YOU'RE GONE - THE ALBUM (Basshunter) 2 wks 4. (4) ROCKFERRY (Duffy) 21 wks 5. (3) MELODY (Sharleen Spiteri) 2 wks 6. (6) WE STARTED NOTHING (Ting Tings) 10 wks 7. (NEW) I BELIEVE – THE VERY BEST OF (Bachelors) 1 wk 8. (7) EXCLUSIVE – FOREVER EDITION (Chris Brown) 19 wks 9. (NEW) BEAUTIFUL FUTURE (Primal Scream) 1 wk 10. (8) ALL THE RIGHT REASONS (Nickelback) 34 wks 11. (13) GOOD GIRL GONE BAD (Rihanna) 60 wks 12. (12) BACK TO BLACK [DELUXE EDITION] (Amy Winehouse) 38 wks 13. (9) PIANO MAN - THE VERY BEST OF (Billy Joel) 22 wks 14. (11) SKYDIVIN' (Darren Styles) 6 wks 15. (10) HARD CANDY (Madonna) 13 wks 16. (14) JUMPING ALL OVER THE WORLD (Scooter) 12 wks 17. (16) THE AGE OF THE UNDERSTATEMENT (Last Shadow Puppets) 10 wks 18. (44) JORDIN SPARKS (Jordin Sparks) 3 wks 19. (22) SCOUTING FOR GIRLS (Scouting For Girls) 45 wks 20. (19) MAMMA MIA (Original Cast Recording) 6 wks 21. (32) 19 (Adele) 25 wks 22. (18) THE ROAD TO REPARATION: THE VERY BEST OF (Eddy Grant) 4 wks 23. (25) LESSONS TO BE LEARNED (Gabriella Cilmi) 17 wks 24. (24) THE BEST OF (Neil Diamond) 20 wks 25. (17) HOME BEFORE DARK (Neil Diamond) 10 wks 26. (20) THIS IS THE LIFE (Amy MacDonald) 52 wks 27. (36) ORACULAR SPECTACULAR (MGMT) 14 wks 28. (29) KONK (Kooks) 15 wks 29. (51) CALL ME IRRESPONSIBLE – SPECIAL EDITION (Michael Buble) 41 wks 30. (30) IN SILICO (Pendulum) 11 wks 31. (28) VAMPIRE WEEKEND (Vampire Weekend) 20 wks 32. (NEW) DONKEY (CSS) 1 wk 33. (27) HERE I STAND (Usher) 9 wks 34. (46) THE SELDOM SEEN KID (Elbow) 16 wks 35. (38) HOLD YOUR COLOUR (Pendulum) 14 wks 36. (26) 22 DREAMS (Paul Weller) 8 wks 37. (NEW) THE VERY BEST OF - IDOLIZE YOURSELF (Billy Idol) 1 wk 38. (52) FLEET FOXES (Fleet Foxes) 6 wks 39. (39) MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT (Linkin Park) 31 wks 40. (21) PARTIE TRAUMATIC (Black Kids) 3 wk Airplay (Top 20) 01 04 Coldplay Viva La Vida 02 01 Kooks Shine On 03 05 Jordin Sparks No Air 04 07 Kid Rock All Summer Long 05 02 Gabriella Cilmi Sweet About Me 06 03 Ne-Yo Closer 07 06 Sara Bareilles Love Song 08 13 Dizzee Rascal feat Calvin Harris & Chrome Dance Wiv Me 09 12 Sharleen Spiteri All The Times I Cried 10 08 The Script The Man Who Can't Be Moved 11 25 Noah & The Whale 5 Year's Time 12 18 Scouting For Girls It's Not About You 13 09 Adele Hometown Glory 14 11 Madonna Give It To Me 15 28 Verve Love Is Noise 16 10 Duffy Warwick Avenue 17 16 Melee Built To Last 18 21 Ting Tings Shut Up And Let Me Go 19 14 Rihanna Take A Bow 20 20 Nickelback Photograph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 number 14...it could have been worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leomaddy Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 HC at 15 in the uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mightycomfort Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Give it to me at number 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boytoyville Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I can't believe GI2M is dropping in airplay already, I really thought it would hav edone better in that respect in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 HC at 15 in the uk Did it crack 250,000 copies yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Give it to me at number 10. well, that's better than I expected!!!! and with the concerts being so close, this single is still going to sell quite well! And I'm sure the album will be back at top ten! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Did it crack 250,000 copies yet? I think that would happen next week. Poor brave ABBA, couldn't reach #1 for the 3rd time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisy_Boy Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I think that would happen next week. Poor brave ABBA, couldn't reach #1 for the 3rd time... What happened for it to rank so high on the charts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fak Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 it got airplay, video play and was advertised on the internet.....it had JT too Again, what does that have to do where the second single peaks? All those shows just contributed to the first week of album sales, that's all, and to the lead off single, but "4 Minutes" became one of her biggest UK hits without any promo other than the Radio 1 gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 What happened for it to rank so high on the charts? It's advertised on tv a lot because of Mamma Mia!, it seems in the UK there are STILL people existing who don't have it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest powerofgoodbye Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 American Boy & Black and Gold this week ranked so much higher than 4 mintues, i hope she can still hold at her no.5 position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 It's advertised on tv a lot because of Mamma Mia!, it seems in the UK there are STILL people existing who don't have it yet. that's true:who doesn't have abba gold yet in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Bitch Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Ooh just catching up on the UK chart action while I've been away. Disappointing peak for G12M but I'm sure the remix ep being classed as an album didn't help. Great to see HC back in the top 10 but a shame that it's falling. I was in HMV yesterday buying my copies of G12M and I overheard two queens asking one of the assistants about the 'new' album by Madonna and enquiring 'does it have that track on it she did with Justin Timeberlake?' They said they didn't even know she'd released a new album - the guy showed them the special edition but said that he was only aware of it including some boiled sweets. Anyways, this just PROVES that the lack of promo has been a factor in HC's poor sales - if there are queens out there who don't know she has an album out then what hope is there. Oh and to those of you who said G12M was an excellent choice for single number 2 - I TOLD YOU SO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hafo Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Album sales are appalling in the UK. 26205 Coldplay 25842 ABBA 24928 Basshunter ... with the exception of the Now! compilation: 383002 Now 70 4 Minutes took a hard hit because all the songs on Now 70 got a download surge with the digital release - e.g. Sam Sparro, Estelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hafo Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 HC sold around 8-8.5K. Total: ~248K. GI2M around 13K. Total: ~70K. 4M around 5-6K. Total: ~390K. No exact sales so far, unless funkydita shows up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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