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Roland Barthes

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58 minutes ago, elijah said:

And also the mass migration and terrorist attacks. I think Brexit and Trump in a way are a vote against globalization/rise of terror/arrival of many muslims that do not want to integrate within the society. And impoverishment, which is a result in a way of globalization and the fact that there is no communism in  Eastern Europe nowadays which was the reason for a lot of social rights and freedoms to be granted in the West.

The thing is that the EU had the opportunity to have the best inner market in the world and could have been independent of the rest of the world but greed made them close down factories in East Europe and now all comes from fucking China.  in the long run China is affecting much more than immigration or whatever: we are competing against a country where there's a dictature that allows slavery.  

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5 minutes ago, karbatal said:

 

The thing is that the EU had the opportunity to have the best inner market in the world and could have been independent of the rest of the world but greed made them close down factories in East Europe and now all comes from fucking China.  in the long run China is affecting much more than immigration or whatever: we are competing against a country where there's a dictature that allows slavery.  

Yes, that 2, but I think the cultural change and terror within a generation has a lot to do with the rise of far right

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I don't think so. Immigration hasn't been a problem at all in the EU until the crisis and the cuttings started and people felt that they got less and less money. Very cleverly orchestrated, some parties have blamed immigration, even though immigrants have nothing to do with our economy being poorer. In fact, immigrants help economy boost and are like fresh air in every system. 

About terrorism... I always think this is part of the orchestrated campaing. EU is not more dangerous now than 5 years ago, and yet it seems as if there's bombings everywhere, which is a lie. 

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52 minutes ago, karbatal said:

I don't think so. Immigration hasn't been a problem at all in the EU until the crisis and the cuttings started and people felt that they got less and less money. Very cleverly orchestrated, some parties have blamed immigration, even though immigrants have nothing to do with our economy being poorer. In fact, immigrants help economy boost and are like fresh air in every system. 

About terrorism... I always think this is part of the orchestrated campaing. EU is not more dangerous now than 5 years ago, and yet it seems as if there's bombings everywhere, which is a lie. 

Sorry but I don't agree. Having ghettos everywhere in the eu is not helping the economy and are not a breath of fresh air. The emigration policies should be rethought and in eu should be allowed ppl that respect devision between state and religion. There are a lot of ppl like that from the Middle East. In my opinion there is definite rise of terrorism in eu even compared to 5 years ago. Maybe it doesn't feel like that in Spain Tnx to the basque 

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We are not having guettos everywhere in the EU, Elijah. You and I have a very different vision about immigration. In most countries in the EU, there's a national law so anybody who has a work permit has the right to learn the language for free. And once the learn the language, they are independet to move and look for better jobs. In Spain we have no guettos, for example, even though we have millions of immigrants. 

The situation in France is far different, but that's that particular countries. There are not as many guettos for example in UK or Germany. Sometimes there may be some problems, but it's not the case. 

The rise of terrorism is because of the extreme situation in North Africa, because some CUNTS like Obama and Putin decided to go there and fuck everything. But immigrants are not to blame. Remember that most terrorists were French born or Belgian born. 

About immigrants from Middle East in Europe, they are a minority. 

 

1. Migrants in the EU 

File:Foreign-born residents, by place of birth, EU-28, 2011 (¹) (% of foreign-born population) PF15.png

 

2. Where do they come from? 

File:Top 20 foreign-born communities living in the EU-28, 2011 PF15.png

 

I read some article about what do people in different EU contries think about muslims and they thought they were like 20% of popultion, while in fact: 

 

Self-described religion in the European Union (2012)[1]

  Catholic (48%)
  Protestant (12%)
  Orthodox (8%)
  Other Christian (4%)
  Non believer/Agnostic (16%)
  Atheist (7%)
  Muslim (2%)
  Other religion/None stated (3%)
 
PEOPLE, there's a campaing against Middle East and against muslims. DO NOT BELIEVE BAD JOURNALISM! 

 

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5 hours ago, karbatal said:

We are not having guettos everywhere in the EU, Elijah. You and I have a very different vision about immigration. In most countries in the EU, there's a national law so anybody who has a work permit has the right to learn the language for free. And once the learn the language, they are independet to move and look for better jobs. In Spain we have no guettos, for example, even though we have millions of immigrants. 

The situation in France is far different, but that's that particular countries. There are not as many guettos for example in UK or Germany. Sometimes there may be some problems, but it's not the case. 

The rise of terrorism is because of the extreme situation in North Africa, because some CUNTS like Obama and Putin decided to go there and fuck everything. But immigrants are not to blame. Remember that most terrorists were French born or Belgian born. 

About immigrants from Middle East in Europe, they are a minority. 

 

1. Migrants in the EU 

File:Foreign-born residents, by place of birth, EU-28, 2011 (¹) (% of foreign-born population) PF15.png

 

2. Where do they come from? 

File:Top 20 foreign-born communities living in the EU-28, 2011 PF15.png

 

I read some article about what do people in different EU contries think about muslims and they thought they were like 20% of popultion, while in fact: 

 

Self-described religion in the European Union (2012)[1]

  Catholic (48%)
  Protestant (12%)
  Orthodox (8%)
  Other Christian (4%)
  Non believer/Agnostic (16%)
  Atheist (7%)
  Muslim (2%)
  Other religion/None stated (3%)
 
PEOPLE, there's a campaing against Middle East and against muslims. DO NOT BELIEVE BAD JOURNALISM! 

 

I have seen the situation firsthand in France, Germany, Netherlands. You either want to see it or not. I know you are well travelled, but maybe you haven't been to those exact places recently? I m not against those ppl per se, but I m against ppl so keen on their religion, they act illological. For example a friend who works as a nurse in France and wears a cross told me that an arab woman (wearing a hijab) refused to let her help her undress until she removes her cross. She refused. 

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I am sorry, Elijah, but there's stupid people everywhere. It's as if I tell you that some white man in Antwerp refused to sit next to a black man in the bus. Does it make the whole white men in Netherlands stupid or racists? 

There's a big interest in portrait some certain countries and a certain religion as potential killers, and that is not the case. And I speak from a country where Moroccan immigrants muslims killed moer than 200 people in a terror attack. 

I am not saying there are not guettos or problems, for example that neiborhood in Brussels where the terrorists came from, or certain neiborhoods in France (Marseilles, for example). I don't deny that. I deny that the problems in the EU are because of inmigration or muslims. The only people who are making people live worse are nationals with ties and money in the bank: bankers and politicians. 

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3 minutes ago, karbatal said:

I am sorry, Elijah, but there's stupid people everywhere. It's as if I tell you that some white man in Antwerp refused to sit next to a black man in the bus. Does it make the whole white men in Netherlands stupid or racists? 

There's a big interest in portrait some certain countries and a certain religion as potential killers, and that is not the case. And I speak from a country where Moroccan immigrants muslims killed moer than 200 people in a terror attack. 

I agree about generalisation, but it seems like the muslims tend to be more religious as a whole and to live more segregated compared to other groups. Of course there are so many exceptions but still.

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Just now, karbatal said:

I am sorry, Elijah, but there's stupid people everywhere. It's as if I tell you that some white man in Antwerp refused to sit next to a black man in the bus. Does it make the whole white men in Netherlands stupid or racists? 

There's a big interest in portrait some certain countries and a certain religion as potential killers, and that is not the case. And I speak from a country where Moroccan immigrants muslims killed moer than 200 people in a terror attack. 

I am not saying there are not guettos or problems, for example that neiborhood in Brussels where the terrorists came from, or certain neiborhoods in France (Marseilles, for example). I don't deny that. I deny that the problems in the EU are because of inmigration or muslims. The only people who are making people live worse are nationals with ties and money in the bank: bankers and politicians. 

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What happened in London yesterday, where innocent European bystanders were hit including some French students, will give Le Pen all the more reason to be chosen. While the attack was not of a scale as big as the Madrid train bombings 13 years ago and the attack in Nice last summer for example, when shit like this happens right wing assholes use it to their advantage to stake their claim, and people buy it out of fear.

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4 hours ago, pjcowley said:

What happened in London yesterday, where innocent European bystanders were hit including some French students, will give Le Pen all the more reason to be chosen. While the attack was not of a scale as big as the Madrid train bombings 13 years ago and the attack in Nice last summer for example, when shit like this happens right wing assholes use it to their advantage to stake their claim, and people buy it out of fear.

Unfortunately yes. Makes you wonder why it happens now, especially after what happened in the Netherlands with Wilders getting less votes than expected. But I don't want to move onto conspiracy territory...

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5 hours ago, Lolo said:

Unfortunately yes. Makes you wonder why it happens now, especially after what happened in the Netherlands with Wilders getting less votes than expected. But I don't want to move onto conspiracy territory...

yeap, its fucking disgusting if its planned of ppl that want the victory of far right...

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12 hours ago, pjcowley said:

What happened in London yesterday, where innocent European bystanders were hit including some French students, will give Le Pen all the more reason to be chosen. While the attack was not of a scale as big as the Madrid train bombings 13 years ago and the attack in Nice last summer for example, when shit like this happens right wing assholes use it to their advantage to stake their claim, and people buy it out of fear.

Unfortunately you're right. 

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10 hours ago, Lolo said:

Unfortunately yes. Makes you wonder why it happens now, especially after what happened in the Netherlands with Wilders getting less votes than expected. But I don't want to move onto conspiracy territory...

Of course it makes you wonder - the questions are: who benefits from inflicting pain and suffering to defenseless civilians? Who fund these attackers? Who benefits really from generating a climate of fear?

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Terrorism is politically convenient.  

And governments use them to spread propaganda. 

They kept silent about the nationality even though they knew it.  If the man had been a refugee it would have made the news in five minutes.  

 

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Migration will be a bigger challenge in the future with climate migrants from Asia. We europeans fucked up all these regions with colonization and took what they had (oil, gas...) for centuries. What should be done now to avoid huge waves of migrations Europe can't accomodate is to help these countries (democraticnes) to build their own economy. There should be a law forcing huge foreign companies like Total or a billionnaire like Bollore (i give french examples) making all their money in Africa to pay huge taxes their, to create REAL jobs and hire locals. We should also stop from telling muslims countries what to do and forcing democracy on them if they did not ask for it. In France we don't only have migrants from Africa and North Africa but also from balkans and Pakistan (a lot from Sri Lanka too). They should know that there is nothing waiting for them in Europe anymore and they probably won't be living better lives than the ones they had in their native countries. 

At the moment there is a gang of 25 kids under 12 from Morocco living in the streets of Montmartre terrorizing the neighborhood and tourists, out of control because they sniff glue all day. They came from Spain. There should be a better control and prosecution against traffickers making money on the back of these migrants. There's also a huge demographic crisis in Africa with its population exploding because births are not controlled (THANKS to people like the pope telling them not to use condoms...not only they are facing terrible STDs, AIDS but also unwanted pregnancies). We should help them to live better lives home (because they don't come here for their own pleasure, it's terrible to leave your country to encounter extreme poverty in a climate you are not accustomed to and people hating you) they'd rather stay home if they could make a living there. Thing is they can't make a living here either. What is never talked about is how many migrants go back when they see that their european dream is in fact a nightmare.

We live in a world where money is not shared equally, the rich are super mega rich and getting richer while destroying the middle class and people are getting poorer and poorer. That's the real problem. the world economy only benefits very few and fucks up a lot of people.

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44 minutes ago, karbatal said:

Terrorism is politically convenient.  

And governments use them to spread propaganda. 

They kept silent about the nationality even though they knew it.  If the man had been a refugee it would have made the news in five minutes.  

 

yet he was a radicalized muslim: hardly he felt he was part of the "British mainstream". There must have been 2 way segregation.

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10 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

Migration will be a bigger challenge in the future with climate migrants from Asia. We europeans fucked up all these regions with colonization and took what they had (oil, gas...) for centuries. What should be done now to avoid huge waves of migrations Europe can't accomodate is to help these countries (democraticnes) to build their own economy. There should be a law forcing huge foreign companies like Total or a billionnaire like Bollore (i give french examples) making all their money in Africa to pay huge taxes their, to create REAL jobs and hire locals. We should also stop from telling muslims countries what to do and forcing democracy on them if they did not ask for it. In France we don't only have migrants from Africa and North Africa but also from balkans and Pakistan (a lot from Sri Lanka too). They should know that there is nothing waiting for them in Europe anymore and they probably won't be living better lives than the ones they had in their native countries. 

At the moment there is a gang of 25 kids under 12 from Morocco living in the streets of Montmartre terrorizing the neighborhood and tourists, out of control because they sniff glue all day. They came from Spain. There should be a better control and prosecution against traffickers making money on the back of these migrants. There's also a huge demographic crisis in Africa with its population exploding because births are not controlled (THANKS to people like the pope telling them not to use condoms...not only they are facing terrible STDs, AIDS but also unwanted pregnancies). We should help them to live better lives home (because they don't come here for their own pleasure, it's terrible to leave your country to encounter extreme poverty in a climate you are not accustomed to and people hating you) they'd rather stay home if they could make a living there. Thing is they can't make a living here either. What is never talked about is how many migrants go back when they see that their european dream is in fact a nightmare.

We live in a world where money is not shared equally, the rich are super mega rich and getting richer while destroying the middle class and people are getting poorer and poorer. That's the real problem. the world economy only benefits very few and fucks up a lot of people.

Yes to all.  

 

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