Raider of the lost Ark Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 9 hours ago, sotos8 said: Germany just denied entrance in the country of Greek politician mr Varoufakis because he was invited in a pro Palestinian speech. Democracy is dying This is a lie. Varoufakis was not denied entrance in the country. The only official reports or statements to be found are that he was supposed to give a speech at the so called "Palästina Kongress" in Berlin. Although it was expected that speakers or participants will break German law by making anti-semite statements and other statements or forms of expression that are not protected as freedom of speech or freedom of expression by the Grundgesetz, the events was given permission to take place. UNDER RESTRICTIONS. The conference was called of shortly after it began by the Berlin authorities because of incidents happened I as mentioned above. In particular, there was supposed to be a speech via internet by a person who is banned from participating in political activities in Germany because of misconduct in the past. The permission for this de facto demonstration was revoked. It is unclear if Varoufakis was banned from engaging politically in Germany as a preemptive move by the German Ministry of the Interior or by Berlin authorities. Such move happens when it is expected that political actions taking place on German soil by a foreign person or foreign entity are not in line with German laws, especially the Grundgesetz. Since Varoufakis is no stranger to controversy and has a very special attitude towards Germany to put it mildly, such move may very well happened. And from my perspective, my country has every right to act this way and enforce our laws. Democracy is not dying in Germany. In fact it is very well alive. If an event is called of that is clearly anti-semite and calls for the eradication of the state of Israel and is therefore breaking German laws, laws that were created for the most obvious reasons, it supposed to be a sign for a failing democracy, the dozens of pro Palestine demonstrations and events taking place in Berlin every week, protected by the German police tell a different story. The lesson, don't go to a foreign country to break the laws of this country and you will be absolutely fine. Freedom of speech, of expression and freedom of congregation are not absolute. Never were, never will be. And for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 10 hours ago, MadFan said: Lawd. So disappointing that the lesson this country learned from the Holocaust was, support Israel at all costs because of its relation with Jewish people, and not the real lesson which is that the subjugation and oppression of any people must be fought against. Wow. What a condescending statement. As a German to hear from a foreigner, that has probably never stepped foot into my country, about the lessons learned by the German people from the Holocaust is most likely the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. I find it almost comical that other countries think it is appropriate to tell us how we should deal with our history. Especially, if my country is basically the only country on this planet that is dealing with its past in such an open and honest way. Of course, there has never been a nation that committed crimes against humanity to such an extent. So there is obviously a lot to deal with and the reason why this period is tought about at school in history classes for almost two full years. But there is hardly any nation on this planet that has not committed evil as well BUT there is hardly any public discourse about such events in such countries. Not at least from my perspective. Does Japan address the war crimes they committed? In the U.S. parts of society already making bold claims that slavery was a good thing because slaves learned some skills. Poland has a law that criminalizes statements that Polish citizens were Nazi collaboraters. The Soviet Union / Russia? What about Canada? What about the things they did to indigenous people? Other countries should learn from Germany when it comes to dealing with your very own history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 well if Varoufakis is lying is the Rector of the university of Glasgow is lying too ? Germany did not just stop the Rector of the University of Glasgow Dr @GhassanAbuSitt1 from entering Germany, to participate in our Palestine Congress, but threatened him with legal action if he dared send his intended speech by video. Question to German friends: In your name? pic.twitter.com/d0Xk02ppVq— Yanis Varoufakis (@yanisvaroufakis) April 13, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 42 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: Wow. What a condescending statement. As a German to hear from a foreigner, that has probably never stepped foot into my country, about the lessons learned by the German people from the Holocaust is most likely the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. I find it almost comical that other countries think it is appropriate to tell us how we should deal with our history. Especially, if my country is basically the only country on this planet that is dealing with its past in such an open and honest way. Of course, there has never been a nation that committed crimes against humanity to such an extent. So there is obviously a lot to deal with and the reason why this period is tought about at school in history classes for almost two full years. But there is hardly any nation on this planet that has not committed evil as well BUT there is hardly any public discourse about such events in such countries. Not at least from my perspective. Does Japan address the war crimes they committed? In the U.S. parts of society already making bold claims that slavery was a good thing because slaves learned some skills. Poland has a law that criminalizes statements that Polish citizens were Nazi collaboraters. The Soviet Union / Russia? What about Canada? What about the things they did to indigenous people? Other countries should learn from Germany when it comes to dealing with your very own history. i detect no condescending tone in what he wrote, on the contrary, your tone is condescending. projecting much ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber-Raga Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: This is a lie. Varoufakis was not denied entrance in the country. The only official reports or statements to be found are that he was supposed to give a speech at the so called "Palästina Kongress" in Berlin. Although it was expected that speakers or participants will break German law by making anti-semite statements and other statements or forms of expression that are not protected as freedom of speech or freedom of expression by the Grundgesetz, the events was given permission to take place. UNDER RESTRICTIONS. The conference was called of shortly after it began by the Berlin authorities because of incidents happened I as mentioned above. In particular, there was supposed to be a speech via internet by a person who is banned from participating in political activities in Germany because of misconduct in the past. The permission for this de facto demonstration was revoked. It is unclear if Varoufakis was banned from engaging politically in Germany as a preemptive move by the German Ministry of the Interior or by Berlin authorities. Such move happens when it is expected that political actions taking place on German soil by a foreign person or foreign entity are not in line with German laws, especially the Grundgesetz. Since Varoufakis is no stranger to controversy and has a very special attitude towards Germany to put it mildly, such move may very well happened. And from my perspective, my country has every right to act this way and enforce our laws. Democracy is not dying in Germany. In fact it is very well alive. If an event is called of that is clearly anti-semite and calls for the eradication of the state of Israel and is therefore breaking German laws, laws that were created for the most obvious reasons, it supposed to be a sign for a failing democracy, the dozens of pro Palestine demonstrations and events taking place in Berlin every week, protected by the German police tell a different story. The lesson, don't go to a foreign country to break the laws of this country and you will be absolutely fine. Freedom of speech, of expression and freedom of congregation are not absolute. Never were, never will be. And for good reason. Right on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, sotos8 said: well if Varoufakis is lying is the Rector of the university of Glasgow is lying too ? He is not lying. He was denied entry because of remarks he made at the beginning of this year which in Germany easily qualify as anti-semite. He stated if he was younger he would have participated in the attacks of October, 7th. Such remarks are not protected by freedom of speech in Germany. I wonder why he even travelled to Germany. I do not believe for a second he was not made aware of the fact that German authorities will not let him in. Of course he came for propaganda purposes since he can play the victim now. And to quote Hannah Arendt on this issue is shameful. To top it all, mentioning that Nicaragua is suing Germany before the Human Right Courts. Nicaragua? A dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 If the west now launch an attack on Iran it could well be the start of World War 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 13 minutes ago, Confessit said: If the west now launch an attack on Iran it could well be the start of World War 3. why would the west launch an attack on Iran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Just now, sotos8 said: why would the west launch an attack on Iran? Because they have attacked Israel. The west are allies of Israel so they could back an attack or get involved in Israel’s counter attack when it happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Just now, Confessit said: Because they have attacked Israel. The west are allies of Israel so they could back an attack or get involved in Israel’s counter attack when it happens? Israel first attacked the Iranian embassy in Damascus and killed Iranian diplomats and the US is not backing an Israeli counterattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 minute ago, sotos8 said: Israel first attacked the Iranian embassy in Damascus and killed Iranian diplomats and the US is not backing an Israeli counterattack I never said they are. I said they might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 3 hours ago, Confessit said: I never said they are. I said they might. They won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 9 minutes ago, runa said: They won’t. Yes I think I agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolums Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Crazy how all our politicians seem to be working for israel regardless of their behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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