New war in Europe, courtesy of Putin

[sotos8]

2 hours ago, promise to try said:

it´s weird, because I have also read the opposite, that he wants a sease of fire...it´s so difficult to know what´s happening nowadays

I don't think that a ceacefire is possible because that requires admission of defeat from Zelenski given the fact that Russia now controls a large part of Ukraine

[Kilt]

On 5/17/2023 at 12:02 PM, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Have normal Russian people experienced an hardships? Well, except for having to live in this rotten state. 

They're so used to living in and being treated like shit by their government. And they're very obedient and will continue to keep their head bowed down to their Kremlin leader, brainwashed or not.

[Kilt]

14 hours ago, promise to try said:

it´s weird, because I have also read the opposite, that he wants a sease of fire...it´s so difficult to know what´s happening nowadays

It's all a simulation of goodwill from Putin part. Afterwards he'll be saying "Look, i tried to make peace and stop useless bloodshed but Zelenski refused and chose to continue putting on the line the lives of many innocent people".

[freddykrueger86]

On 5/17/2023 at 8:55 PM, karbatal said:

I understand. But sanctions against the well being of population have never worked. There is not a single example of success. Cuba, Iran, Venezuela…. People suffering poverty and the regime is still there. Sanctions against Russia should be against oligarchs and those funding Putin.

 

Right. Or just go further back and open any history book on Napoleon‘s sanctions against Great Britain. It backfired badly.

[promise to try]

am I the only one that thinks that the west will sign a pact with Puttin, and that we are going to leave Ukraine alone? or even worse, that we are going to let Puttin do all the dirty job, and later we are all going to scrumble Ukraine between EU-USA-Russia?

[elijah]

On 5/27/2024 at 11:01 PM, Kilt said:

It's all a simulation of goodwill from Putin part. Afterwards he'll be saying "Look, i tried to make peace and stop useless bloodshed but Zelenski refused and chose to continue putting on the line the lives of many innocent people".

That's kind of an absurd position when you have invaded another sovereign country, whose territory now you are ocuping. At present, no-one cares what Putin says, because no-one believe what he says.

[elijah]

On 5/27/2024 at 10:39 AM, sotos8 said:

I don't think that a ceacefire is possible because that requires admission of defeat from Zelenski given the fact that Russia now controls a large part of Ukraine

Its not just that: I mean whose president wont get crucified for giving up 20 percent of a country's territory through "peaceful" negotiations? Also, this could very well be a ceasefire so that RU gets some years to recuperate and then invade another part of Ukraine and/or other Eastern European country?

[Confessit]

The Russian air attacks in broad daylight to hospitals is absolutely disgusting.

Horrifying I wish we would all just stand up to Putin once and for all!

[Confessit]

On 6/12/2024 at 6:59 AM, promise to try said:

am I the only one that thinks that the west will sign a pact with Puttin, and that we are going to leave Ukraine alone? or even worse, that we are going to let Puttin do all the dirty job, and later we are all going to scrumble Ukraine between EU-USA-Russia?

 I doubt that.

NATO are all standing firm against Putin and it continues to send more rounds of military weapons are being sent in to fight him.

I think this will only end when someone wins.

Russia will either take Ukraine fully or Putin will withdraw.

I think it will drag on until this happens. 

[Confessit]

NATO membership for Ukraine could happen by the end of the year 

[promise to try]

4 hours ago, Confessit said:

NATO membership for Ukraine could happen by the end of the year 

not if trump wins, it seems...

anyways, I think it´s not a wise idea to have all those countries that have borders with Russia being in the nATo.I get why putin is not happy with that. Is like having the USSR having its misils in Cuba or Mexico, the USA wouldn´t be happy with that.

[promise to try]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7810y11dyjo

So what´s happening here? the time of the war in Ukraine has finished? both Trump and I don´t remember who (but he was from the government of the USA, I think), were telling Zelensky to design the end of the war for 2025.And Zelensky´s face was...I´m sorry, but we knew from the beginning that Russia was going to win.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7810y11dyjo

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

1 hour ago, promise to try said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7810y11dyjo

So what´s happening here? the time of the war in Ukraine has finished? both Trump and I don´t remember who (but he was from the government of the USA, I think), were telling Zelensky to design the end of the war for 2025.And Zelensky´s face was...I´m sorry, but we knew from the beginning that Russia was going to win.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7810y11dyjo

 

The only thing that happened here was Donald Trump revealing that he is a Russian asset and Putins puppet. The look on Zelenskys face was the face of basically everyone with a minimal amount of decency. That's why Zelensky had to step in and remind Trump that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine territory and started a war. It think it is very clear that Trump will sell Ukraine to Russia. Keep in mind, Trump has an axe to grind with Zelensky because he declined to help him with digging up dirt about Biden. We know that Trump is a vengeful, mean person. And all his cult followers love him exactly for that. They are like him or want to be like him. All good Christians. The hypocrisy is off the charts. 

[promise to try]

3 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

The only thing that happened here was Donald Trump revealing that he is a Russian asset and Putins puppet. The look on Zelenskys face was the face of basically everyone with a minimal amount of decency. That's why Zelensky had to step in and remind Trump that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine territory and started a war. It think it is very clear that Trump will sell Ukraine to Russia. Keep in mind, Trump has an axe to grind with Zelensky because he declined to help him with digging up dirt about Biden. We know that Trump is a vengeful, mean person. And all his cult followers love him exactly for that. They are like him or want to be like him. All good Christians. The hypocrisy is off the charts. 

but after Trump I´ve seen another politician, or soomebody from the NATO, saying the same: let me see if I find the news

[promise to try]

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/11/zelensky-says-he-wants-war-with-russia-to-end-by-2025_6729091_4.html

[Confessit]

Now Biden has agreed to the use of missiles supplied by America for Ukraine to attack Russia, and it’s expected the UK will follow tomorrow, 

will this now lead to some dangerous repercussions from Putin for America and Britain?

[promise to try]

this looks crazy, and dangerous

[Raider of the lost Ark]

2 hours ago, promise to try said:

this looks crazy, and dangerous

Unfortunately it is the only language Putin understands. With Trump in office, the EU finds itself in the very unfortunate situation that it cannot trust or rely on any side anymore. The EU needs to take measures to protect itself by keeping enemies from even thinking to attack its soil. The only way to do so, is to have nuclear weapons. If history has shown one thing, the moment you own nuclear weapons you are safe. North Korea, Pakistan, India, not even the U.S. dare to invade them. Ukraines biggest regret at this very moment is to have trusted Russia and to give up its nuclear weapons. 

As much as it saddens me, but I have come to the conclusion that the time of diplomacy appears to be over. My country had a "change via trade" policy for decades to establish trustful relationships that favor all parties involved. Much of this obviously to make good for the atrocities my country commited more than 80 years ago. And where are we right now? Disappointed by Russia, disappointed by China, disappointed by the U.S.. There is only the EU left. And even here you find players like Hungary, who are working against the interest of the institution they are part of. Sad and scary times indeed. 

[sotos8]

first they allow Zelenski to use the missiles and now i'm reading in the paper that they are pressing Zelenski to make a deal with Putin in ending the war before Trump comes to power .Absolutely crazy

[promise to try]

21 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Unfortunately it is the only language Putin understands. With Trump in office, the EU finds itself in the very unfortunate situation that it cannot trust or rely on any side anymore. The EU needs to take measures to protect itself by keeping enemies from even thinking to attack its soil. The only way to do so, is to have nuclear weapons. If history has shown one thing, the moment you own nuclear weapons you are safe. North Korea, Pakistan, India, not even the U.S. dare to invade them. Ukraines biggest regret at this very moment is to have trusted Russia and to give up its nuclear weapons. 

As much as it saddens me, but I have come to the conclusion that the time of diplomacy appears to be over. My country had a "change via trade" policy for decades to establish trustful relationships that favor all parties involved. Much of this obviously to make good for the atrocities my country commited more than 80 years ago. And where are we right now? Disappointed by Russia, disappointed by China, disappointed by the U.S.. There is only the EU left. And even here you find players like Hungary, who are working against the interest of the institution they are part of. Sad and scary times indeed. 

I hope you are wrong, and these misils are only a way of having more power to negociate...but I really don´t know

[Crux]

On 11/17/2024 at 10:56 PM, Confessit said:

Now Biden has agreed to the use of missiles supplied by America for Ukraine to attack Russia, and it’s expected the UK will follow tomorrow, 

will this now lead to some dangerous repercussions from Putin for America and Britain?

Absolutely!

I've been reading the latest and have never been so scared at the possibility of WW3 in my life. My Mum (God rest her soul) was a little girl at the time of WW2, and the things she told me about it sent shivers down my spine, but now technology has advanced so much that we could end up blowing the world to smithereens.

[Confessit]

1 minute ago, Crux said:

Absolutely!

I've been reading the latest and have never been so scared at the possibility of WW3 in my life. My Mum (God rest her soul) was a little girl at the time of WW2, and the things she told me about it sent shivers down my spine, but now technology has advanced so much that we could end up blowing the world to smithereens.

Me too precious x

[sotos8]

rumours are spreading that Zelensky is ready to accept the solution of losing 20% of Ukraine territory in order for the war to end

[promise to try]

nothing that surprises me.So All the territories with russian speakers, the dumbas... are going to be russia now

[sotos8]

NEW:

Trump confirmed that Zelensky will not participate in the negotiations and will have to accept the agreement:

"Zelensky will have to do what he has to do. And his poll numbers are not particularly great, to put it mildly..." pic.twitter.com/hLtlUSMXpw

— Megatron (@Megatron_ron) February 13, 2025

 

some were saying that when the 2 ''superpowers'' will agree in the division of Ukraine the war will end and they will throw Zelensky under the bus

[elijah]

On 1/25/2025 at 8:38 PM, promise to try said:

nothing that surprises me.So All the territories with russian speakers, the dumbas... are going to be russia now

There are Russian speakers in Estonian, Lithuania and Latvia, Moldova… should those territories be given to the empire too?

[sotos8]

2 minutes ago, elijah said:

There are Russian speakers in Estonian, Lithuania and Latvia, Moldova… should those territories be given to the empire too?

i don't think he is implying that , these territories (dumbass ets) are conquered territories in the war and that's very possible 

[promise to try]

1 hour ago, elijah said:

There are Russian speakers in Estonian, Lithuania and Latvia, Moldova… should those territories be given to the empire too?

no, but, if Russia attacks them, I´m sure they will win the war. They are huge, and the others are small. It´s not something that I like, it´s shit, but that´s the world we live in. I would also love to have a basque independent state, but I know that, being a part in France, and the other part in spain, is impossible nowadays. They are huge powerful states, and we are nobody.

[promise to try]

1 hour ago, sotos8 said:

i don't think he is implying that , these territories (dumbass ets) are conquered territories in the war and that's very possible 

this!!

you can see in Zelensky´s face that he is not happy either, but he knows it´s going to happen. And the sad thing is that I always knew that USA-Europe-etc were going to abandon Ukrayne in Russia´s hands. The situation the reminded me a lot to spain´s civil war, when, once the 2nd WW was over, USA and its friends started helping Franco, and the ones fighting against him were abandoned.

[promise to try]

is trump really having a meeting with Russia and somebody from Ukrayne, and nobody has called Zelensky? really, they are really bad people, and stupid. I mean, are they really thinking about a peace without talking to Ukrayne´s president?