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Well both government from Catalonia and Madrid are corrupt and useless and surprise surprise with this referendum shit all is forgotten :lmao:

I am so embarrassed at Spain I just want to leave the country for good and forget those stupid citizens there who behave like sheeps. 

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I guess some political parties really want the independence, it´s not all about corruption this time..same in the basque country, some people really want to be independent, others don´t really feel spanish but they are ok with it, and others are spanish.

but all these policemen going to catalonia (9000?) to the tweety ship while people sing them "a por ellos oe", it´s scary.

ia it true that there weren´t policemen enough in aragon to keep Podemos´ people safe last weekend?

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3 hours ago, promise to try said:

I guess some political parties really want the independence, it´s not all about corruption this time..same in the basque country, some people really want to be independent, others don´t really feel spanish but they are ok with it, and others are spanish.

but all these policemen going to catalonia (9000?) to the tweety ship while people sing them "a por ellos oe", it´s scary.

ia it true that there weren´t policemen enough in aragon to keep Podemos´ people safe last weekend?

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As it happened in USA or UK,  once you give air to extremists you get radicals feeling their time has come.  Those absurd radicals defending Spain or Catalonia are the same cunts battering foreign people in UK or doing white supremacy marches in USA.  

And yes,  it all has to do with corruption and fear of social movements demanding fair wages and such.  Just remember,  during the 90s there was a terrorist group KILLING in Spain and there was not this situation as the Catalonia one,  that surprise surprise started just when the crisis,  cuts and corruption cases started to show up.  

This is absurd.  

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That said,  I would have given the independence to Basque Country and Catalonia already in the 90s. Just picture how great it would be for the rest not to have people constantly wishing to be out.  It's toxic.  It's like when the UK left the EU.  I love UK but.... good riddance.  And everybody happy. 

Anyway, I'm currently looking for jobs abroad and I can't wait to stop knowing what's happening in Spain :lmao:

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4 hours ago, promise to try said:

so you are the one leaving spain!!!!!!!! but we need to vote that!!!!!

The difference would be that I leave, but don't take with me the infrastructures paid by all Spain during more than 150 years,  main reason why centre of Spain is now a demographic desert. :lmao:

If any Basque or Catalanish independentist only new a bit of REAL history, not the junk fed since the 80s in their schools,  would realise how all the efforts from Madrid during the industrial revolution of the 19th century were strategically focused on Basque Country and Catalonia and Valencia because they were near the frontier and in the Mediterranean routes.  Train lines, big industries and all infrastructure paid by Madrid in detriment of other regions,  whose population migrated to those places.  Now part of Aragon and the two Castillas are a economic and demographic desert and those rich regions want independence and say Spain robs them money. 

It makes me sick the level of unculture,  the lack of historical perspective and the pure GREED and classism in those people.  Especially when thanks to democracy they are FREE to speak their language,  create their own laws and enjoy their differences.  

 

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Since we're talking politics in spain, i want to say that i have a major crush on Ramon Espinar.

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1 hour ago, Roland Barthes said:

Since we're talking politics in spain, i want to say that i have a major crush on Ramon Espinar.

Omg who isn't?????  HOT 

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Just now, karbatal said:

 

If any Basque or Catalanish independentist only new a bit of REAL history, not the junk fed since the 80s in their schools,  would realise how all the efforts from Madrid during the industrial revolution of the 19th century were strategically focused on Basque Country and Catalonia and Valencia because they were near the frontier and in the Mediterranean routes.  Train lines, big industries and all infrastructure paid by Madrid in detriment of other regions,  whose population migrated to those places.  Now part of Aragon and the two Castillas are a economic and demographic desert and those rich regions want independence and say Spain robs them money. 

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I work in one of these schools: everytime I hear we/they teach them weird things, I´m surprised. I don´t think the books are good, actually, I would change most of it if I could, but we nrealy don´t mention the basque country in them.well, it appears when we have to see the industrialisation in spain, in the civil wars of the 19th century (carlist wars) and nothing more.

all the "junk" topics comefrom outside schools, at least in the ones that I know.

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ok, now the ones that were angry because people were insulting serrat (!!!), are insulting Manolo garcia!!

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Its so stupid what is happening in Spain: why divide when everyone is getting united? Also, do they know they ll be out of EU also? Spain would never agree Catalonia to remain. And also, I foresee it would happen like in UK: no money would be given to the Catalonians, actually they ll loose money...

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11 hours ago, elijah said:

Its so stupid what is happening in Spain: why divide when everyone is getting united? Also, do they know they ll be out of EU also? Spain would never agree Catalonia to remain. And also, I foresee it would happen like in UK: no money would be given to the Catalonians, actually they ll loose money...

I am embarrassed of this situation and consider the majority of Spanish people stupid.  No wonder we are constantly being robbed by politicians.  I can't wait to leave this stupid country.  I'm sick and tired. 

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3 hours ago, karbatal said:

I am embarrassed of this situation and consider the majority of Spanish people stupid.  No wonder we are constantly being robbed by politicians.  I can't wait to leave this stupid country.  I'm sick and tired. 

 Same. I am disgusted and ashamed of my country. No wonder people want to be independent from this fascist state. 

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Rubber bullets and batons reigned upon people trying to peacefully tick a box. Disgusting scenes of state violence from fascist Spain and virtual silence from UK mainstream media and May and Corbyn (the socialist LOL) alike as the ghost of Franco awakens. And those in here opposed to SELF DETERMINATION of people can go fuck themselves.

 

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To be fair those trying to "vote" (that means going to a place to do some pantomime that amounts to nothing)  are stirring shit big time.  They have been throwing stones to the police too.  

I don't want anybody hurt but really,  this fake referendum is embarrassing.  And the SPOILED people from Catalonia who always have everything better and are used to be Queen Bees wherever they go should know a bit more about other regions in Spain where projects are blocked for decades because Madrid is too busy licking Barcelona's ass. If anyone wants to know,  ask me. I live in the region bordering Catalonia,  where our trains are the ones being taken from Catalonia for being obsolete.  

I wish there were a referendum,  but to VOTE THEM OUT. 

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All that junk about self determination has to be cleared.  You can't be the focus of investment from a country for 150 years and leave because you are now richer. Because due to all investment and powerful economy in Catalonia and Basque Country,  half of Spanish territory has less inhabitants per kilometres than Laponia,  near North Pole.  My region suffering all that big time.  We have reinvented ourselves as logistic centre and oh boy how difficult it is to attract a big firm when Madrid supports and convinces that Catalonia is the place (as happened with Amazon)  or after 70 years BEGGING for the train tunnel through the Pyrenees to be re opened so our logistics centre can grow all efforts from MADRID go to the Mediterranean link and the EU funds that other project. 

And now,  with their full stomachs and millions of people who have gone there to work because in our inner regions we had nothing,  they want out and say that the reason is type Spain robs them... 

This is pure GREED.  

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4 minutes ago, karbatal said:

All that junk about self determination has to be cleared.  You can't be the focus of investment from a country for 150 years and leave because you are now richer. Because due to all investment and powerful economy in Catalonia and Basque Country,  half of Spanish territory has less inhabitants per kilometres than Laponia,  near North Pole.  My region suffering all that big time.  We have reinvented ourselves as logistic centre and oh boy how difficult it is to attract a big firm when Madrid supports and convinces that Catalonia is the place (as happened with Amazon)  or after 70 years BEGGING for the train tunnel through the Pyrenees to be re opened so our logistics centre can grow all efforts from MADRID go to the Mediterranean link and the EU funds that other project. 

And now,  with their full stomachs and millions of people who have gone there to work because in our inner regions we had nothing,  they want out and say that the reason is type Spain robs them... 

This is pure GREED.  

True. They are stupid to think they will be better off Spain. They won't!

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The brutal muscling aside of DEMOCRACY in Catalonia by Madrid’s Francoist government is an outrage. THAT is what you people should be annoyed by, not the fact that you may have different political or socio-economic views. Jesus.

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4 minutes ago, elijah said:

True. They are stupid to think they will be better off Spain. They won't!

This is Brexit 2.0.  A disinformed mass poisoned by media and stupid politicians.  Spanish people and Catalanish people. And nobody speaks of the consequences.  Just like London thought that would leave the EU and get richer.  Spoiled English people and spoiled Catalanish people who think the world turns around their bellies.  

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1 minute ago, Kim said:

The brutal muscling aside of DEMOCRACY in Catalonia by Madrid’s Francoist government is an outrage. THAT is what you people should be annoyed by, not the fact that you may have different political or socio-economic views. Jesus.

Is it democracy when its unconstitutional? And also, Karba is right. Its good to be funded with priority for hundred of years and then just leave with the funds of all of Spain...

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2 minutes ago, karbatal said:

This is Brexit 2.0.  A disinformed mass poisoned by media and stupid politicians.  Spanish people and Catalanish people. And nobody speaks of the consequences.  Just like London thought that would leave the EU and get richer.  Spoiled English people and spoiled Catalanish people who think the world turns around their bellies.  

Exactly, it feels like Brexit 2 unveiling...

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1 minute ago, Kim said:

The brutal muscling aside of DEMOCRACY in Catalonia by Madrid’s Francoist government is an outrage. THAT is what you people should be annoyed by, not the fact that you may have different political or socio-economic views. Jesus.

No.  We should be outraged at the corrupted politicians who are using this division as smoke curtain.  Catalanish Government is up their necks with corruption (just like Madrid)  and they're diverting the attention.  This will have bigger consequences than some policial charge, because you can't poison the population for months if not years without expecting consequences.  Spain has had two civil wars in the past 150 years.  Some people seem to forget that. 

And the posion comes both ways.  It doesn't come from Madrid only. 

Funny how things have got some wrong in just four years when the same Catalanish rulers didn't have problems being part of the Spanish government with Zapatero,  Aznar and Felipe González.  

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Re reading my posts it seems I am pro violence :lmao:

Of course I condemn that anyone is hurt and that some retarded policemen used the force in such a way!  My messages are beyond that,  but of course that is WRONG! 

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