Spain...destroying themselves from the inside

[promise to try]

Ok, it´s a little bit complicated to explain what is going on (I have to go to the supermarket!), but I have the feeling this can´t be happening only in spain...new ideas that are not accepted by the political party, and create huge internal problems...

anyways, it´s really entertaining to watch, I have to admit it

[beta_test]

the UK, Austria, France and Germany say hallo. Although usually the big conservative parties follow a bit later - and then you are only left with even more garbage.

[Guest]

In italy it happens since...forever

[Guest]

In italy it happens since...forever

[karbatal]

Well, maybe we are lucky and the left wins and all the bigots are gone from the Socialist Party.

[promise to try]

it´s totally crazy...I guess there are people that feel lef twinged, but are confortable in the system and don´t want to change too many things...well, the important things.On the other hand we had in the same political party npeople that really want to change the society...and both sides want to control the same political party...

[promise to try]

so they did it,they got rid off sanchez,the man that apparently wanted to change a few things,and the people that feel left winged but have right winged politics won.crap.

[Rebel Saviour]

On 1/10/2016 at 4:40 PM, vande said:

In italy it happens since...forever

Sadly but true, since I'm a leftist...

[Guest]

hope you're not for the bersani&d'alema co. the let berlusca flourish for 20 years and now try everything to put in the trash bin the left

[Rebel Saviour]

3 minutes ago, vande said:

hope you're not for the bersani&d'alema co. the let berlusca flourish for 20 years and now try everything to put in the trash bin the left

Of course not, but I can't really vote the messy and fascistoid 5 stars movement either. 

[Guest]

i like you

[Rebel Saviour]

48 minutes ago, vande said:

i like you

I like you too.

[Guest]

mmmmm

wait.....unless you're one of....those.....

[Rebel Saviour]

21 minutes ago, vande said:

mm mmm

wait.....unless you're one of....those.....

 Yes I belong to that mythological groupI am sorry.

[Guest]

[promise to try]

whaT? Pedro sanchez is leading a crow funding???

 

and nobody is going to jail because of the black cards???

[Django]

Spain is an embarrassing mess. The Socialist Party (PSOE) hasn't been really socialist since its early years and PSOE and PP (right-wing party) are the same shit but with some nuances. It is true that PSOE has made some improvements such as gay marriage and historic memory., among others. But, essentially, they are part of the establishment and in the end they won't change shit apart from these superficial gestures. PP is ruling now thanks to PSOE, ruling AGAINST the people and in favor of corporations and friends. I have never been more ashamed of being Spanish than now. Thanks to those two shits (PP and PSOE), we pay the most expensive electricity in Europe, people go to jail for tweeting thoughts or rapping songs while our politicians and our disgusting monarchy have robbed thousands of millions of euros from us and nothing happens. 

 

[Gaudet]

@vande @Rebel Saviour can that fucking ghastly 5 stars shit be permanently removed? Shameful party run by shameful people supported by equally shameful imbecils twats.

[Rebel Saviour]

16 hours ago, pjcowley said:

@vande @Rebel Saviour can that fucking ghastly 5 stars shit be petheirntly removed? Shameful party  run by shameful people supported by equally shameful imbecils twats.

I hate them, but sadly they are still strong, even after the mess they are doing in Rome with their Mayor Virginia Raggi.The fact that the other parties have been shitty for years and the economical crisis made them grow so much.They were lucky.

[karbatal]

Back to PSOE (although i love that we comment on other parties here) I am glad that Pedro Sánchez is back again. What is very sad, very very sad, is that a Socialist Worker Party has become such liberal  that a man who simply defends not to reach agreements to the corrupted right wing party is considered "radical" 

No wonder socialism and workers rights are going to the pits everywhere. And no wonder that social discontent is being captured by other new parties like Podemos or Siriza (Greece), or extremists like Le Pen. Because the Social Workers Parties aren't doing their job since comunism fell. 

[Robin]

seize the means of production!!!

[karbatal]

If only...

[promise to try]

is not realted to the topic, but I think the man from Hazte oír, it´s going to be our le pen...I have the feeling he is going to join, or create, a super right political party

[promise to try]

we haven´t said anything about catalunya lately...some things are crazy, as the 6000 policemen the spanish government has sent to take care of the situation this week, and they are sleeping in a ship with the looney toon´s characters on it...

A part of me wants everything to go really bad , to start a revolution for all spain and to really change things, but once I çll see a policeman hitting somebody...crap, our politicians are crap

[promise to try]

and I am particulary ashamed with the basque politicians, because all my life everytime there was a problem between the basques and spain, or the basques between us, there was always somebody from catalunya to calm things down and helps us to think. And it didn´t happen the other way around. Yes, now our president has something, he is a cunt, one week from the referendum you can´t help, asshole!!!

[karbatal]

Well both government from Catalonia and Madrid are corrupt and useless and surprise surprise with this referendum shit all is forgotten

I am so embarrassed at Spain I just want to leave the country for good and forget those stupid citizens there who behave like sheeps. 

[promise to try]

I guess some political parties really want the independence, it´s not all about corruption this time..same in the basque country, some people really want to be independent, others don´t really feel spanish but they are ok with it, and others are spanish.

but all these policemen going to catalonia (9000?) to the tweety ship while people sing them "a por ellos oe", it´s scary.

ia it true that there weren´t policemen enough in aragon to keep Podemos´ people safe last weekend?

[karbatal]

3 hours ago, promise to try said:

I guess some political parties really want the independence, it´s not all about corruption this time..same in the basque country, some people really want to be independent, others don´t really feel spanish but they are ok with it, and others are spanish.

but all these policemen going to catalonia (9000?) to the tweety ship while people sing them "a por ellos oe", it´s scary.

ia it true that there weren´t policemen enough in aragon to keep Podemos´ people safe last weekend?

As it happened in USA or UK,  once you give air to extremists you get radicals feeling their time has come.  Those absurd radicals defending Spain or Catalonia are the same cunts battering foreign people in UK or doing white supremacy marches in USA.  

And yes,  it all has to do with corruption and fear of social movements demanding fair wages and such.  Just remember,  during the 90s there was a terrorist group KILLING in Spain and there was not this situation as the Catalonia one,  that surprise surprise started just when the crisis,  cuts and corruption cases started to show up.  

This is absurd.  

[karbatal]

That said,  I would have given the independence to Basque Country and Catalonia already in the 90s. Just picture how great it would be for the rest not to have people constantly wishing to be out.  It's toxic.  It's like when the UK left the EU.  I love UK but.... good riddance.  And everybody happy. 

Anyway, I'm currently looking for jobs abroad and I can't wait to stop knowing what's happening in Spain

[promise to try]

so you are the one leaving spain!!!!!!!! but we need to vote that!!!!!