Nikki Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 has let us down numerous times - that she can still get to #1 here is amazing considering the way she treats her Australian fans!! Sorry but..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipex Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 has let us down numerous times - that she can still get to #1 here is amazing considering the way she treats her Australian fans!! Sorry but..? Sorry but what? She said before the Confessions tour "If I go to Japan, I'll go to Australia - I promise". Well, guess what - she went to Japan. She did not come to Australia. Broken promise. She apologised to Australia on her website afterwards and said she would come next time. Guess what - she missed us again on Sticky and Sweet. She announced she would come this time - it was even included in all the official media releases. Guess what - she's not coming. And many other times time after time in Australian interviews, she has said stupid things like "it's too far away", "your venues can't handle my tonnage", "I have to put my kids into school". Her attitude to Australia is always one of two things: 1. Make up some bullshit excuse that doesn't even makes sense about why she's not coming. OR 2. Announce she's coming and then cancel. What have we done to deserve this? Have we sent too many of her albums to #1 and been too loyal?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 What amazes me is this "trade" approach. Music is not about trading. It is not about giving something in order to get something else in return. She puts out a record. You like it, you buy it. You don't like it, you don't buy it. It's very simple. Very natural. Again I'm sorry that things didn't work out for the Australian fans but some of the comments here are quite irrational and immature. Madonna has no obligations towards her fans. Not in Australia but certainly not even in Europe or elsewhere. A grand scale tour - like the ones she puts on - is a lot more complex than people think. There may be issues that people are not aware of and the fact that they are not being openly expressed or declared does not mean that they are not valid. Things didn't work out - once again, yes - and I am sure that she will survive and continue to make music and tour even if Australia turns the back on her. So, threaths are definitely not going to work especially with someone like her. There are still tickets available for some of the US dates and there definitely are for the South American dates. For those who can afford it, there is plenty of time to organize a trip to America to see her. Let's look for solutions instead of focusing on problems. On the other hand there will be a concert next week and it's going to be broadcast all over the world for everybody to see. She is not immortal, you know. Let's be grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I was flirting with Bluejean. So its your fault she's not coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4mad2 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well at least you guys had the lady gaga Bored this way tour. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Maybe she read about all the setlist changes u guys wanted & went "aw, hell no..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipex Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 What amazes me is this "trade" approach. Music is not about trading. It is not about giving something in order to get something else in return. She puts out a record. You like it, you buy it. You don't like it, you don't buy it. It's very simple. Very natural. Again I'm sorry that things didn't work out for the Australian fans but some of the comments here are quite irrational and immature. Madonna has no obligations towards her fans. Not in Australia but certainly not even in Europe or elsewhere. A grand scale tour - like the ones she puts on - is a lot more complex than people think. There may be issues that people are not aware of and the fact that they are being openly expressed does not mean that they are not valid. Things didn't work out - once again, yes - and I am sure that she will survive and continue to make music and tour even if Australia turns the back on her. So, threaths are definitely not going to work especially with someone like her. There are still tickets available for some of the US dates and there definitely are for the South American dates. For those who can afford it, there is plenty of time to organize a trip to America to see her. Let's look for solutions instead of focusing on problems. On the other hand there will be a concert next week and it's going to be broadcast all over the world for everybody to see. She is not immortal, you know. Let's be grateful. You are not understanding the point. It's not just that she won't come here - it's that she lies and keeps saying she will. This time I really believed it otherwise I would have saved up to go to Europe or South America. Well, it's too late now, I can't afford it at short notice. I was so stupid to believe her this time. At least she could be honest and say "no I am not coming" or even say nothing at all instead of announcing that she is coming here and then cancelling. THAT is the point. if you think broken promises and lies are "mature" and calling her out on that is "immature" then fine, good for you - but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You are not understanding the point. It's not just that she won't come here - it's that she lies and keeps saying she will. This time I really believed it otherwise I would have saved up to go to Europe or South America. Well, it's too late now, I can't afford it at short notice. I was so stupid to believe her this time. At least she could be honest and say "no I am not coming" or even say nothing at all instead of announcing that she is coming here and then cancelling. THAT is the point. if you think broken promises and lies are "mature" and calling her out on that is "immature" then fine, good for you - but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You are not understanding the point. It's not just that she won't come here - it's that she lies and keeps saying she will. This time I really believed it otherwise I would have saved up to go to Europe or South America. Well, it's too late now, I can't afford it at short notice. I was so stupid to believe her this time. At least she could be honest and say "no I am not coming" or even say nothing at all instead of announcing that she is coming here and then cancelling. THAT is the point. if you think broken promises and lies are "mature" and calling her out on that is "immature" then fine, good for you - but I don't. Basically what you are saying is that your maturity is influenced by other people's maturity. In reality, you are either mature or you are not. If someone is being immature, that does not mean that you have to be too. You take responsbility of your maturity and she/they will have to be responsible for hers/theirs. I am sorry to have to say that but some of the comments here are quite immature and irrational. Things didn't work out for some reason. What is evident is that the intention to continue in 2013 is proved by the fact that ALL tour passes had the writing "MDNA 2012-2013" on them. Threaths are not going to be of any use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipex Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Naturally, this is a PR disaster for Madonna in Australia and New Zealand and is being widely reported by EVERY media outlet here, and so it should be - but in the last few hours it's also starting to be reported by overseas media; this is becoming a PR disaster for her on an international scale. And frankly, I'm glad. I hope this really blows up in her face! BBC Madonna scraps Australian tour plans http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-18886498 Billboard Madonna Tour Skipping Australia, Again http://www.billboard...007605752.story E! Online Madonna cancels Australian tour dates http://au.eonline.co...lian-tour-dates Rolling Stone Madonna cancels Australian Concerts Trek was to be pop star's first trek down under in 20 years http://www.rollingst...ncerts-20120718 The Hollywood Reporter Madonna Cancels Australia Tour, Adds France Gig http://www.hollywood...our-adds-351128 Gigwise Madonna cancels plans to take MDNA tour to Australia http://www.gigwise.c...ur-to-australia MTV (USA) Madonna scraps Australia tour plans MDNA Tour won't add any dates Down Under, and 'will end in South America in December as planned,' Live Nation announces http://www.mtv.com/n...mdna-tour.jhtml MTV (UK) Madonna flashes bottom for Brits, snubs Aussies http://www.mtv.co.uk...don-bottom-live FemaleFirst.co.uk Madonna cancels Australian leg of tour http://www.femalefir...nna-247850.html Digital Spy Madonna cancels Australian tour http://www.digitalsp...alian-tour.html Euronews Madonna makes French fans happy, Australians sad http://www.euronews....ustralians-sad/ I'm SO glad this is becoming a big entertainment story today internationally. There is much more international press today - and a lot of the coverage is quite scathing. This has become a PR disaster for Madonna on an global scale - there is no way she and Guy can ignore it now, they will have to say something. Perez Hilton Madonna will NOT go wild in Australia http://perezhilton.com/2012-07-18-madonna-cancels-australian-dates-mdna-world-tour New York Daily News Madonna cancels Australian tour http://india.nydailynews.com/business/259c33e18c2e457eab7431dcbeb66224/madonna-cancels-australian-tour Examiner.com Don't cry for me, Australia: Madonna cancels first Down Under tour in 20 years http://www.examiner.com/article/don-t-cry-for-me-australia-madonna-cancels-first-down-under-tour-20-years Business Standard Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/madonna-cancels-plans-to-tour-australia/33992/ CBS News Madonna cancels Australia shows, adds film clip to Warsaw performance http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57474880-10391698/madonna-cancels-australia-shows-adds-film-clip-to-warsaw-performance/ Ace Showbiz Madonna Cancels Australian Leg of MDNA Tour Without Explanation http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00052332.html New Zealand Herald Madonna scraps plans to tour Australia http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10820665 411mania.com Madonna Tour Skipping Australia Again http://www.411mania.com/music/news/246993/Madonna-Tour-Skipping-Australia-Again.htm Entertainmentwise Madonna Hit With Fan Backlash As She Cancels Australian Tour http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/81805/Madonna-Hit-With-Fan-Backlash-As-She-Cancels-Australian-Tour- UPI.com Madonna cancels Australian concert tour http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Music/2012/07/18/Madonna-cancels-Australian-concert-tour/UPI-56621342633893/?spt=hs&or=en Yahoo! Music Madonna cancels Australian concerts http://music.yahoo.com/news/madonna-cancels-australian-concerts-135043640.html Splash News Madonna cancels Australian leg of MDNA Tour http://www.splashnewsonline.com/2012-07-18/madonna-cancels-australian-leg-of-mdna-tour/ Global Grind Trouble Down Under? Madonna cancels her Australian tour http://globalgrind.com/music/madonna-cancels-australian-tour-date-details MTV Norway Madonna cancels Australian leg of tour http://www.mtv.no/news/14372-madonna-cancels-australian-leg-of-tour India Vision Madonna cancels Australian tour http://www.indiavision.com/news/article/entertainment/325887/madonna-cancels-australian-tour/ Idolator Madonna cancels Australian tour http://idolator.com/6734542/madonna-cancels-australian-tour WENN Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia http://www.wenn.com/all-news/madonna-cancels-plans-to-tour-australia/ CelebrityCafe.com Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia with no reason given http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2012/07/madonna-cancels-plans-tour-australia-year-no-reason-given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 "Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia" is definitely more appropriate than "Madonna cancels Australian tour". There was never an official press release or announcement and this is a fact. International media outlets have been bashing her and criticizing her for quite some time now. I highly doubt this is going to make things any different or worse than they already are. They may say what they want. She continues to do her thing and it appears that she is still quite successful at it....after 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipex Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) Basically what you are saying is that your maturity is influenced by other people's maturity. In reality, you are either mature or you are not. If someone is being immature, that does not mean that you have to be too. You take responsbility of your maturity and she/they will have to be responsible for hers/theirs. I am sorry to have to say that but some of the comments here are quite immature and irrational. Things didn't work out for some reason. What is evident is that the intention to continue in 2013 is proved by the fact that ALL tour passes had the writing "MDNA 2012-2013" on them. Threaths are not going to be of any use. No, I am not saying that at all. You seem to have a problem with basic comprehension. You called me immature. I disagreed. I don't see what's immature about being pissed off when you're lied to. It is quite natural. And if you *want* to point the finger at someone for immature behaviour (and it seems you do), then perhaps look at the person in this big mess who keeps breaking promises and telling lies - Madonna. That is not mature behaviour by any reasonable person's standards - and if you think it is, don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in conversing with you. I don't know what your problem is anyway. Are you Australian? Are you affected by of this? Were you forced into reading this thread? No? Well, don't slam the door on the way out. "Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia" is definitely more appropriate than "Madonna cancels Australian tour". There was never an official press release or announcement and this is a fact. Ah, yes there was - all the initial press releases about the MDNA Tour referred to it ending in Australia and being her first shows in Australia in 20 years. They even included quotes from both Guy and Arthur Fogel confirming it. The Australian leg was one of the main points in the official MDNA press releases and THAT is a fact. You are obviously ignorant about the situation, so stop embarrassing yourself. Goodbye. Edited July 19, 2012 by ipex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael. Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think I'm looking forward to her excuse more then I was the tour itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Is the tour really going to end in South America? Is it possible she would do dates in Asia? I really want to know why she cancelled and if she will do shows at all next year? I really hope she does so some of us can organize and go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVsMatt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 What amazes me is this "trade" approach. Music is not about trading. It is not about giving something in order to get something else in return. She puts out a record. You like it, you buy it. You don't like it, you don't buy it. It's very simple. Very natural. Again I'm sorry that things didn't work out for the Australian fans but some of the comments here are quite irrational and immature. Madonna has no obligations towards her fans. Not in Australia but certainly not even in Europe or elsewhere. A grand scale tour - like the ones she puts on - is a lot more complex than people think. There may be issues that people are not aware of and the fact that they are not being openly expressed or declared does not mean that they are not valid. Things didn't work out - once again, yes - and I am sure that she will survive and continue to make music and tour even if Australia turns the back on her. So, threaths are definitely not going to work especially with someone like her. There are still tickets available for some of the US dates and there definitely are for the South American dates. For those who can afford it, there is plenty of time to organize a trip to America to see her. Let's look for solutions instead of focusing on problems. On the other hand there will be a concert next week and it's going to be broadcast all over the world for everybody to see. She is not immortal, you know. Let's be grateful. I get some of your points and I need to remember you are speaking from the point of view of someone who gets to see all her tours. My personal experience is that I did not believe the press release from Live Nation as dates and venues etc were not released, Guy wouldn't reply to any tweets regarding Australia and so I assumed the plans for the Australian leg wouldn't go ahead. My plan was to fly to Brazil in Decemeber and maybe other parts of South America. Carta shared his conversation with Guy Oseary in Berlin a few weeks ago while I was negotiating my start date for a new role as a Senior IT Manager for a major mining and construction organisation. Part of the agreement was no holiday leave for the rest of the year due to projects happening. I agreed and started the role last week believing the Australian tour would happen. Now I cannot attend any show of the tour. It's not a case of a two hour ride on a train to the next city. I literally cannot fly to a show and back in a weekend. Madonna, Guy and Live Nation really fucked over the Aussie fans this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Ah, yes there was - all the initial press releases about the MDNA Tour referred to it ending in Australia and being her first shows in Australia in 20 years. They even included quotes from both Guy and Arthur Fogel confirming it. The Australian leg was one of the main points in the official MDNA press releases and THAT is a fact. You are obviously ignorant about the situation, so stop embarrassing yourself. Goodbye. Then why were people expecting an official announcement before or after the Olympic games? They did mention something about the Australian leg but there was NEVER an official announcement. Before closing, just two things: 1) I didn't call YOU immature. I only said that some of the comments were immature. 2) I am sorry that things didn't work out for her true fans in Australia...."true" being the operative word. As for the rest, you said it all. I hope you feel better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roma Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 No, I am not saying that at all. You seem to have a problem with basic comprehension. You called me immature. I disagreed. I don't see what's immature about being pissed off when you're lied to. It is quite natural. And if you *want* to point the finger at someone for immature behaviour (and it seems you do), then perhaps look at the person in this big mess who keeps breaking promises and telling lies - Madonna. That is not mature behaviour by any reasonable person's standards - and if you think it is, don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in conversing with you. I don't know what your problem is anyway. Are you Australian? Are you affected by of this? Were you forced into reading this thread? No? Well, don't slam the door on the way out. Ah, yes there was - all the initial press releases about the MDNA Tour referred to it ending in Australia and being her first shows in Australia in 20 years. They even included quotes from both Guy and Arthur Fogel confirming it. The Australian leg was one of the main points in the official MDNA press releases and THAT is a fact. You are obviously ignorant about the situation, so stop embarrassing yourself. Goodbye. We know there was, no use replying to everyone who wants to justify this. Madonna for the first time l have seen has been totally unprofessional and there will be no further information from her, not sure why people are waiting for an explanation..its like expecting a different set list for Paris..we know Madonna and team better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think I'm looking forward to her excuse more then I was the tour itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I get some of your points and I need to remember you are speaking from the point of view of someone who gets to see all her tours. My personal experience is that I did not believe the press release from Live Nation as dates and venues etc were not released, Guy wouldn't reply to any tweets regarding Australia and so I assumed the plans for the Australian leg wouldn't go ahead. My plan was to fly to Brazil in Decemeber and maybe other parts of South America. Carta shared his conversation with Guy Oseary in Berlin a few weeks ago while I was negotiating my start date for a new role as a Senior IT Manager for a major mining and construction organisation. Part of the agreement was no holiday leave for the rest of the year due to projects happening. I agreed and started the role last week believing the Australian tour would happen. Now I cannot attend any show of the tour. It's not a case of a two hour ride on a train to the next city. I literally cannot fly to a show and back in a weekend. Madonna, Guy and Live Nation really fucked over the Aussie fans this time Matt, like I said, I am really sorry that things didn't work out and I do understand your position. Believe me. What I don't like is the fact that some people have that "trade/exchange" approach when it comes to all artists, not just Madonna. Madonna, just like every other artist, has no obligations. She does what she wants/can do. I saw - with my own eyes - that all security and staff had passes with MDNA 2012-2013 written on them. This must surely mean that the intention to continue in 2013 was definitely there. Something must have obviously changed. We don't know what but I do trust that it was a valid reason. A valid reason to me would also be that she suddenly realized that, with more than 5 months of touring still ahead of her, she could not bring herself to do more dates. Most likely, in order for the Australian tour to be profitable, they would have had to add more dates in Asia, too. Whatever the reason was, it is clear that the intention was there and I believe that this is a sign that they did try to bring her back to Australia. I wouldn't take it as a personal attack because I don't think it is. Having said that, I am sorry for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVsMatt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Matt, like I said, I am really sorry that things didn't work out and I do understand your position. Believe me. What I don't like is the fact that some people have that "trade/exchange" approach when it comes to all artists, not just Madonna. Madonna, just like every other artist, has no obligations. She does what she wants/can do. I saw - with my own eyes - that all security and staff had passes with MDNA 2012-2013 written on them. This must surely mean that the intention to continue in 2013 was definitely there. Something must have obviously changed. We don't know what but I do trust that it was a valid reason. A valid reason to me would also be that she suddenly realized that, with more than 5 months of touring still ahead of her, she could not bring herself to do more dates. Most likely, in order for the Australian tour to be profitable, they would have had to add more dates in Asia, too. Whatever the reason was, it is clear that the intention was there and I believe that this is a sign that they did try to bring her back to Australia. I wouldn't take it as a personal attack because I don't think it is. Having said that, I am sorry for you guys. Thanks bud, I don't think it's a personal attack on Australia by M, just bad planning, bad business decisions, wrong priorities and a total lack of focus on a fan base that has been loyal and patient for so long. I believe the plan was to come to Australia, they just fucked it up, I believe for the first time, they actually tried to bring the tour here though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Thanks bud, I don't think it's a personal attack on Australia by M, just bad planning, bad business decisions, wrong priorities and a total lack of focus on a fan base that has been loyal and patient for so long. I believe the plan was to come to Australia, they just fucked it up, I believe for the first time, they actually tried to bring the tour here though I agree. They should have opened the tour in Australia and Asia. It would have made things smoother and easier. That way, even if she had ended up cancelling the South American tour, it would have not been a big deal. Hopefully, things will work this way next time IF there is still demand for her in Australia by the time she's ready to tour again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_On_Her Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I honestly think that the announcement that Australia would be included in the tour was just to get the album to do well in Australia. I had a feeling all the way along that Australia would never happen. You can think of every excuse in the book, bad planning whatever but Madonna simply doesn't want to tour here its not that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I could see her doing a second leg in Oz/Asia/NZ in Oct/Nov 2013. She may have a couple of new songs to add to it. She may do a few dates as well in select and guaranteed markets. The stage and entourage could be scaled back a bit. It could contain more hits . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narendra Sen Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Could someone else rational please explain to me how someone could only forsee to 'become' tired after doing 90 shows but absolutely not before. And how somehow, as the clock strikes 12 on August 16th, said person is suddenly "old", but wasn't a moment earlier. And how combined, but only once Christmas has passed, this all of a sudden is too much. I will grant that a flight to Australia from almost anywhere is long....I've done it myself.....but how this factor (and above factors combined) only dawned on M and Co on the eve of an already scheduled/booked date announcement? This is the point I was making. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVsMatt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think she will move onto another project rather than drag MDNA out another year, the album is dead and they fucked it's promo and poor single choices. I think she'll take a break and do a new album in late 2013, early 2014 and we'll play the let's screw over the Aussie fans again game only this time, I'll trust my gut and buy tickets for London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hopefully, things will work this way next time IF there is still demand for her in Australia by the time she's ready to tour again. I'm thinking no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh76 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I agree with the person who said that Madonna should have opened her tour in Australia.That would have been a cool way to kick off a tour....in a place where the anticipation and demand would have been tremendous! She has skipped Australia for so many years and I think her Australian fans DESERVED to be the first ones to see the show.What a missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 God, on the same page as the shire great company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 People are funny with their overreaction, she isn't legally obliged to tour australia and it's more costly to take tours to australia than it is to Europe, Asia or America. Plus the revenue from Australia would be less than more major markets. Sorry just have to play devils advocate. 1 week ban. Bunch of Drama Queen! Can't you Queens just travel to see her? it seems like a logical solution to me 1 week ban. Or I'm thinking a movie role she couldn't refuse and would otherwise miss out on. Bitch. Knowing her it's probably The Next Best Thing: The Prequel. Wait. M is pregnant and due early next year Someone mentioned the carbon tax Will she be buried in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well at least Oz had the Girlie show some territories (Asia) never even saw her perform live Yeah, you are so right, never thought of it that way. NOT. The Aussies have been shitty with her for the last few years so it's no surprise she can't be arsed to go down under. 1 week ban. to this entire thread, love cuntdonna <3 1 week ban. oh stop it! we get it you are mad but really? acting like an ass is not gong to change the fact that she is not coming to your country. Now go fight a Koala or a Kangaroo and vent you anger that way LOL 1 week ban. Basically what you are saying is that your maturity is influenced by other people's maturity. In reality, you are either mature or you are not. If someone is being immature, that does not mean that you have to be too. You take responsbility of your maturity and she/they will have to be responsible for hers/theirs. I am sorry to have to say that but some of the comments here are quite immature and irrational. Things didn't work out for some reason. What is evident is that the intention to continue in 2013 is proved by the fact that ALL tour passes had the writing "MDNA 2012-2013" on them. Threaths are not going to be of any use. 1 week ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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