dimfanis Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) I wouldn't dare call LAP a flop, but to me just looking at the bare stats and all the good it had going for it and the music market in 1989, I have to say I've always felt that album underperformed. so funny.....and the Erotica years around here would've been a real hoot I'm sure....lol Perhaps at the time it felt that LAP undeperformed somewhat but looking back I think everyone agrees is the one of the best albums of her carreer. It's a fan and critic favorite. Lika A Prayer is one of the best pop songs ever and Express Yourself is an era-defining video. hey even Erotica may have sold "only" 2m in the US but it created more buzz in the US and worldwide than all the Mariah/Janet/Whitney/Paula etc records together. Madonna may not have been the biggest seller at any single point of time but in retrospect she was the most influential, controversial and talked about (and the accumulated sales numbers are also on her side). I hope Hard Candy continues this tradition and years for now we'll look back to it and say "oh yes it didn't sell millions but that was a great era". Unfortunately I doubt about that now but i certainly hope to be proved wrong. Edited July 12, 2008 by dimfanis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 For Prince since Purple Rain (Parade and Sign 'o' The Times, among its best works, were labelled as flops) For Michael Jackson... I remember many people stating "Bad" was a disappointment after "Thriller"! To be fair, those were indeed huge drops and much bigger than Madonna's. But of course, nobody expected neither MJ nor Prince to have another huge seller like that. Except MJ himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest moboy Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 As Give it 2 me doesn't seem to be helping the album sales, I'm curious to see if her turning 50 next month will have any impact on Hard Candy. ROL's sales actually increased for a couple of weeks when she turned 40 (OMG. Already 10 years ago!). But that was a better album and there was positive buzz about her turning 40 and being spiritual and a mother. How can you say it's not helping. The reason for the small drop of 11% is because of GI2M. It's drop would have been more without it. During that tracking week, HC moved up on Itunes album chart. Unless, GI2M explodes we may not see actual increase in sales, but the drops will at least be smaller than they would without it. I think HC can hit a million because she will be touring the US in the fall and will be in some big cities during the start of Christmas shopping, etc. Also, hopefully the 3rd single will be out by mid-August or early Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernatural Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Paula Abdul was on the cover of People in 89 and right on the cover it said how she was outselling Madonna. A fan since 87 I've seen that sort of thing 100xs over. Someone is selling 10 million albums one year, can't fill a local bar at $15 a head the next year. Madonna really got the best deal for longevity and success and we are the last fan base that should worry about any of this stuff. You could probably only name a handfull of acts the past 25 years that have it as good as she does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezwer Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 wow! those are low numbers... i guess, Madge can now just focus on the next album and sadly, HC era might end so soon... i hope the 3rd best of wud be more exciting... Ehm? Sorry but the US is not the only country in the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacho Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The 1989 charts debates were just like that! I collect album reviews and sales data comparisons since the LAP era: that album was often labelled as a disappointment, there are many reviews stating "Ok, she tried to shock us with the first single and video, so the album went to no.1. Then she spent millions of dollars for the second video, but the song flopped (= it didn't catch the no.1 spot). Now we've got a third single and video, in which she tries to be sweet smiling among dolphins. But there's a fact: LAP is struggling to sell a half of what TB did, and Madonna lost her identity. USA has its new Madonna now: Paula Abdul. She sings better than Madonna, she dances better than her". Other pearls: "Be careful, Madonna, you are 30 and a series of 20yo newcomers is ready to steal your crown. Their names are Martika, whose Toy Soldier is a tremendous hit, Jody Watley, Tiffany". "Promise To Try" composed for the fans of Debbie Gibson, because she's a copycat of her ballads. "Madonna is trying to recupe her lost fans, tired of her sex/religion exploits, so her new single Dear Jessie is a baroque and her new video is a cartoon, but it is already a flop". "Madonna recycled the vogueing and released a catchy but forgettable song. But the real winner of this 1990 is Sinead O'Connor" "Nobody is interested to a Madonna greatest hits because everybody owns the albums. She was forced to realize a porno video trying to sell her GH" Etcetera. @ those comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Ehm? Sorry but the US is not the only country in the world! maybe so, but this thread is about its US sales And you forget that those of us who live in America do care and want decent music to do well here, since America is the land of hip hop and redneck music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezwer Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 maybe so, but this thread is about its US sales And you forget that those of us who live in America do care and want decent music to do well here, since America is the land of hip hop and redneck music. True... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorjosh Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 The 1989 charts debates were just like that! I collect album reviews and sales data comparisons since the LAP era: that album was often labelled as a disappointment, there are many reviews stating "Ok, she tried to shock us with the first single and video, so the album went to no.1. Then she spent millions of dollars for the second video, but the song flopped (= it didn't catch the no.1 spot). Now we've got a third single and video, in which she tries to be sweet smiling among dolphins. But there's a fact: LAP is struggling to sell a half of what TB did, and Madonna lost her identity. USA has its new Madonna now: Paula Abdul. She sings better than Madonna, she dances better than her". OMG! That's hilarious! True Blue sold almost 8 million and LAP did about 4.5 million. Paula can sing better than Madonna??? Sure, she can dance better. That was 1989/90. Fast forward to 1998/99. Madonna's ROL has sold 15-16 million and Paul Abdul is a has-been and sold zero albums (well, maybe a handful of copies of her first album...). LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest demitri Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Other than Like A Virgin and True Blue granted Madonna didn't have an album that was an all out sales smash but look at it this way, if you look at all her albums together, she has an amazing catalog of albums that all sold well, and no other female artiste has been able to sustain what she has. From a Marketing point of view, she's potentially more profittable than some all those new artistes that come in with a smash album and fade away after that. Yes, because of her catalog but also because she has brand recognition, probably the strongest in the whole industry. And if you consider Madonna's sales from around the world, that's even more impressive. Madonna sales well in every major market in the world and that's very rare. A lot of acts that are big in the US aren't that popular around the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertogerard Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Paula Abdul was on the cover of People in 89 and right on the cover it said how she was outselling Madonna. A fan since 87 I've seen that sort of thing 100xs over. Someone is selling 10 million albums one year, can't fill a local bar at $15 a head the next year. Madonna really got the best deal for longevity and success and we are the last fan base that should worry about any of this stuff. You could probably only name a handfull of acts the past 25 years that have it as good as she does. Very well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullaBarbie Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 OMG! That's hilarious! True Blue sold almost 8 million and LAP did about 4.5 million. Paula can sing better than Madonna??? Sure, she can dance better. That was 1989/90. Fast forward to 1998/99. Madonna's ROL has sold 15-16 million and Paul Abdul is a has-been and sold zero albums (well, maybe a handful of copies of her first album...). LMAO! Well, Paula had very successful 2nd album (2 Nr 1 hits) and a remix album. After 1995 she focused more on acting and choregraphing and then went on to judge Idol and has her own reality show. She is one of the most known people on the planet. Her recent single ((first in 13 years) went to hit HOT100 and was bigger hit that GI2M. I hardly call her a has-been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrapple Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Well, Paula had very successful 2nd album (2 Nr 1 hits) and a remix album. After 1995 she focused more on acting and choregraphing and then went on to judge Idol and has her own reality show. She is one of the most known people on the planet. Her recent single ((first in 13 years) went to hit HOT100 and was bigger hit that GI2M. I hardly call her a has-been. the remix album wasnt that successful and the rest FLOPPED!!!!! The Singles-1992 Head Over Heels-1995 Paula Abdul-Greatest-1999 Greatest Hits-2000 Greatest Hits:Straight Up-2007 I didnt know DLTNT peaked higher than GI2M. GI2M's peak is 57 (so far). I thought Paula's lastest song only peaked around 65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny86 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 She is one of the most known people on the planet. Maybe in the USA, but definitely not on the planet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Yes- "Dance Like There's No Tomorrow" peaked in the 60s, so it didn't have a higher peak than GI2M. And it surely didn't peak higher in airplay (as small mll as GI2M's airplay is). Why are people discussing Abdul anyhow? She was never revered as a musical artist, just as a dancer. So it was no big loss when she haltedrecording after Head Over Heels. HC is roughly 93K away from passing AL's SoundScan tally- may not come until next year, dependng on how sales go for the remainder of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest moboy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 HolidayGuy, are you seriously saying that you don't think HC can scan another 93K units during the 5-6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 HolidayGuy, are you seriously saying that you don't think HC can scan another 93K units during the 5-6 months? I was going to ask that too! I´m sure she will be in Al´s levels before the tour starts in the US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 OMG! That's hilarious! True Blue sold almost 8 million and LAP did about 4.5 million. Paula can sing better than Madonna??? Sure, she can dance better. That was 1989/90. Fast forward to 1998/99. Madonna's ROL has sold 15-16 million and Paul Abdul is a has-been and sold zero albums (well, maybe a handful of copies of her first album...). LMAO! I agree (anyway, during 1989-1990 LAP "only" sold 3 million in the US, and a lot of people see it as a dissapointment. I don´t think its sales are 4.5 so far, it´s to high). And yes, I remember those paula sings better than madonna, is more beautiful than madonna... she always has another singer than is more popular (except maybe during the LAV) , but she stays there, and the other popular ones disappear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candylipsgirl Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 HolidayGuy, are you seriously saying that you don't think HC can scan another 93K units during the 5-6 months? Whats your point? Even IF HC surpasses AL....IT WILL NOT BE RE-CERTIFIED TO PLATINUM! Who cares at this point. Let it go... HC will remain her only G O L D studio album on the RIAA charts. IT WILL NEVER GO PLATINUM!!! And therefore it will be her lowest seller EVER! EVEN IF IT OUTSELLS AL!!! Lets focus on the tour and the Greatest Hits package. HC IS OVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest moboy Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 HC will be platinum if not very close by the end of the year. Count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone's Cheeks Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Whats your point? Even IF HC surpasses AL....IT WILL NOT BE RE-CERTIFIED TO PLATINUM! Who cares at this point. Let it go... HC will remain her only G O L D studio album on the RIAA charts. IT WILL NEVER GO PLATINUM!!! And therefore it will be her lowest seller EVER! EVEN IF IT OUTSELLS AL!!! Lets focus on the tour and the Greatest Hits package. HC IS OVER! lol. c a l m the heck down girl! geesh! lol it *is* a big deal if it outSELLS AL! Platinum or not, #s are #s, and if HC surpasses AL, at least haters and the media will *not* have the honor of calling it her "lowest selling album, ever"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Whats your point? Even IF HC surpasses AL....IT WILL NOT BE RE-CERTIFIED TO PLATINUM! Who cares at this point. Let it go... HC will remain her only G O L D studio album on the RIAA charts. IT WILL NEVER GO PLATINUM!!! why do you think that????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigham Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 Please ignore candylipsgirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ercos Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 lets just hope that at least HC sells decently... a platinum at this point is a dream away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fak Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 so the decline continues but slows 63 57 Madonna Hard Candy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LikeAHugeMFan! Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 how much did it sell for the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigham Posted July 17, 2008 Author Share Posted July 17, 2008 ^We don't know yet. When we get the info, it will be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Maybe in the USA, but definitely not on the planet! maybe Bull is talking about planet US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 A six-position drop- not too bad. Probably sold around 9,300 or so. American Life- in its 11th week- dropped 103-125 on the BB 200, with 8,600 units scanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Goosie Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 So it should pass the 600k mark in a week or two? I really hope Devil is the next single, I think that has a lot of potential to be a hit and give the album a much needed boost too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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