Kim Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 So who here loved Suzanne and her work BEFORE hearing her opinion on Madonna, and has now changed that opinion? Er, no-one. She was shit before and now her amazing lack of class and taste has made her even shitter now. End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 She's a lot more artistic than either Eddie or Alanis. I think it's very simplistic to call her soft rock. To me soft rock is something boring and uncreative like Elton John. Suzanne's music has many different elements, folk, electronics as well as some rock oriented elements, as well as really literate interesting lyrics. But unfortunately a lot of people here won't listen to her music, they just hear she say something bad about Madonna and won't give her music a chance and resort to name calling like saying she a bitch. I tend to like most things Madonna does and defend here all the time, but I won't be some brainwashed cult member and not like something anymore whose music I love just because they made one off hand remark about Madonna. I think for myself always. And I doubt Madonna is that bothered about what Suzanne said if she knew about it. And what she said wasn't even that awful given what the tabloids write about Madonna on a daily basis. The tabloids are something to be upset about, but to be all bent out of shape about Suzanne Vega is silly. But the CNN clip where she goes to the Truth or Dare premiere and Aids benefit trashing Madonna and the event while going inside the cinema shows that she's a real cunt yet it does not diminish her talent and what she said on the bbc last week is not of importance at all but this CNN clip from 1991 is really disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glindathegood Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 But the CNN clip where she goes to the Truth or Dare premiere and Aids benefit trashing Madonna and the event while going inside the cinema shows that she's a real cunt yet it does not diminish her talent and what she said on the bbc last week is not of importance at all but this CNN clip from 1991 is really disturbing. Yes, but that was from many years ago in 1991. People change their minds and regret things they said all the time. Who knows if she still feels that was the right to say now? Look at the things Madonna say about Mariah Carey way back when. She doesn't feel that way now and wishes she hadn't said it. It's not like Suzanne goes around trashing Madonna every day to get publicity like the Boy Georges and Elton John's of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 God damn. You'd think Suzanne Vega said she'd kill herself if she were Madonna or sumfin. Surely even the most ardent of fan is capable of coming to terms with the idea that not everyone in the world has to like Madonna. A lot of people just don't and OH FUCKING WELL. Their loss. Ripping apart everyone who makes a comment about M that falls short of gushing is irrational, especially when much of what is dished out in retaliation is far worse than anything someone like a Suzanne Vega could ever be accused of having said. Save that poison for the idiots who make a living off of doing little more than criticizing every vein in Madonna's body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Fight the real enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 This thread is confusing, one minute posts are there, next minute they are gone. Or have I had too much Dr Pepper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Some of Madonna's fans like to twist what she says in interviews much like the media and keep the misinterpretation going so give me a break with what Madonna has "said." Maybe you should go back and read and listen to her interviews again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Was in a book/ music shop today and they were playing her new album. The couple of songs i heard playing were pretty rocky for Suzanne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glindathegood Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Was in a book/ music shop today and they were playing her new album. The couple of songs i heard playing were pretty rocky for Suzanne. Yes, there's a song on the album called I'll Never Wear White that's has pretty hard electric guitars. People have this misconception about her that she's just a folk artist with just acoustic guitars. I've never liked conventional folk singers like Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen. I know they are very critically acclaimed but I find them dull. Suzanne is much more interesting and rocky than they are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq7CLAkRquc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 WHAT A LYING CUNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yes, there's a song on the album called I'll Never Wear White that's has pretty hard electric guitars. People have this misconception about her that she's just a folk artist with just acoustic guitars. I've never liked conventional folk singers like Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen. I know they are very critically acclaimed but I find them dull. Suzanne is much more interesting and rocky than they are. So if you admire someone's music, that gives them a license to make comments unprovoked towards other artists? If Madonna had the time that that some trolls in the music industry have or the inclination to say something stupid about another artist I should point out "well Madonna has these albums...one is called Ray Of Light. What does one have to do with the other? This isn't a Suzanne Vega appreciation thread. Unless I'm in the General Music forum? I'm not going to repond to an idiotic comment by someone by looking up their credentials. "Oh let me check, oh yes I really like her music, okay she gets a pass." Could it be that people don't think that others are as intelligent as Madonna? That Madonna is above them or more is expected of her? It's fascinating that some think that responding to idiotic comments made regarding Madonna are seen as being a "sheep" or whatever label your using now. "Sorry that I take in what people say using the same criteria I use when taking in what Madonna says. Should I feel sorry for Suzanne Vega for making a clueless comment? Maybe she is clueless. She's either lying or clueless. If she's lying I can be angry at her, if she's clueless I can't in my point of view. If Madonna made comments about others unprovoked and not based on wanting for that artist to do better than I wouldn't like her. Madonna does not speak out of spite. If she did I wouldn't like her and I wouldn't trust her emotional intelligence to get anything out of her work. I'm talking about everyone not just Suzanne Vega. As a person or an artist YOU are in charge of how I view your opinion or your work. When some fans say you don't like this artist or that person because you are a fan of Madonna, thats nonsense and you are completely relinquishing any responsibility they should have as an artist or a person. I listen to people, I read what they say, and try to understand them. What motivates them? I think it's important to understand why people say what they say and do what they do. I think it's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem i have with this whole thing is not that she's not a Madonna fan. I can understand that not everyone is, it's a matter of taste. But i just can't stand people like her saying false things about her and then going on praising crappy artists like Gaga. It's just pathetic and delusional. It reminds me of Lily Allen who's constantly saying shit about Madonna and then go on praising Britney Spears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Is Suzanne Vega the new Alison Goldfrapp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayaredee Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem i have with this whole thing is not that she's not a Madonna fan. I can understand that not everyone is, it's a matter of taste. But i just can't stand people like her saying false things about her and then going on praising crappy artists like Gaga. It's just pathetic and delusional. It reminds me of Lily Allen who's constantly saying shit about Madonna and then go on praising Britney Spears Or Joni Mitchell bashing Madonna and praising Janet Jackson for sampling her song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Or Joni Mitchell bashing Madonna and praising Janet Jackson for sampling her song. That too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXL Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Glinda I get what you mean but this is not about people not being allowed to dislike Madonna but the classlessness of certain individuals within the industry (the usual suspects and all sharing more or less the same profiles) using criticism as an excuse to drop her name and get press for themselves and at the same time make public their bitterness at her ongoing success. The point here is simply that Suzanne Vega is using Madonna's name to drum up some interest in her release and she obviously used the journalist question to make her point that Madonna is responsible for the pornification of the pop world. A falsehood in the first place, later contradicted when she hypocritically asserts that corporate product daughters of VIP Wall Street executives (Lana Del Ray/Taylor Merryl Swift Lynch / hello Lady Goober from that UWS penthouse) are a breath of fresh air and so good with their songwriting skills and last but not least that they are story-tellers with a personality of their own The fact that some 23 years ago it was again Vega to suggest that Madonna's success was merely due to her self-promotion abilities (while having no problem with taking part in her red carpet event) represents a curious precedent and should already induce one to think that she's obviously resenting the fact that her sophisticated, trumpeted from every rooftop "Leonard Cohen inspired" music wasn't as successful as Madonna's music. Particularly when after that, she proceeds to illustrate "the artistic ambitions and intellectual credentials" of an Angelina Stefani Germanotta. Ironic considering that said girl's entire career is based along the lines of the rags-to-riches "performed in downtown Manhattan's clubs", "I moved out when I was 18 blah blah" Madonna mythography, which later turned out to be anything but especially when you think at how quick her rise was followed by an equally fast demise. All delivered while she was thanking Whitney Houston for inspiration, dressed in a ponytail and a Blond Ambition Bustier of course I like some of her songs too but it doesn't make this Vega woman any less fishy and very much an hypocrite. Her best slipping moment was "Taylor Swift, an interesting story-teller with a nice personality". Yes, I can totally see the resemblance to a Leonard Cohen sensibility/education. Bitch please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXL Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Or Joni Mitchell bashing Madonna and praising Janet Jackson for sampling her song Best :rotfl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Glinda I get what you mean but this is not about people not being allowed to dislike Madonna but the classlessness of certain individuals within the industry (the usual suspects and all sharing more or less the same profiles) using criticism as an excuse to drop her name and get press for themselves and at the same time make public their bitterness at her ongoing success. The point here is simply that Suzanne Vega is using Madonna's name to drum up some interest in her release and she obviously used the journalist question to make her point that Madonna is responsible for the pornification of the pop world. A falsehood in the first place, later contradicted when she hypocritically asserts that corporate product daughters of VIP Wall Street executives (Lana Del Ray/Taylor Merryl Swift Lynch / hello Lady Goober from that UWS penthouse) are a breath of fresh air and so good with their songwriting skills and last but not least that they are story-tellers with a personality of their own The fact that some 23 years ago it was again Vega to suggest that Madonna's success was merely due to her self-promotion abilities (while having no problem with taking part in her red carpet event) represents a curious precedent and should already induce one to think that she's obviously resenting the fact that her sophisticated, trumpeted from every rooftop "Leonard Cohen inspired" music wasn't as successful as Madonna's music. Particularly when after that, she proceeds to illustrate "the artistic ambitions and intellectual credentials" of an Angelina Stefani Germanotta. Ironic considering that said girl's entire career is based along the lines of the rags-to-riches "performed in downtown Manhattan's clubs", "I moved out when I was 18 blah blah" Madonna mythography, which later turned out to be anything but especially when you think at how quick her rise was followed by an equally fast demise. All delivered while she was thanking Whitney Houston for inspiration, dressed in a ponytail and a Blond Ambition Bustier of course I like some of her songs too but it doesn't make this Vega woman any less fishy and very much an hypocrite. Her best slipping moment was "Taylor Swift, an interesting story-teller with a nice personality". Yes, I can totally see the resemblance to a Leonard Cohen sensibility/education. Bitch please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 She's probably just name dropping and hasn't even heard any of Gagas or Swifts stuff but just mentioned them to look cool with da kids.She probably knits and takes care of her dozen cats in her country home with no tv or radio so bitch can't keep up with whats really going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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