Guest bluejean Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I do like this song. It's not really catchy though or an obvious hit. I think after the brilliance of Ray of Light and Music it just stood out as being abit forgettable to the general public. I think too, the sarcasm and the message of the song was lost on a mainstream audience. But what she was saying was actually brilliant. All these people willing to do anything for 15 minutes of fame, Paris Hilton, reality TV "stars," etc, Madonna was saying to them "I've done all that and more and it's not all its cracked up to be." Of course alot of people interpreted that as a celebrity whining about how hard being famous is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5iVe Elements Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I loved it from the very first listen and still do to this day. :kisses: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Not4Pussies Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I do like this song. It's not really catchy though or an obvious hit. I think after the brilliance of Ray of Light and Music it just stood out as being abit forgettable to the general public. I think too, the sarcasm and the message of the song was lost on a mainstream audience. But what she was saying was actually brilliant. All these people willing to do anything for 15 minutes of fame, Paris Hilton, reality TV "stars," etc, Madonna was saying to them "I've done all that and more and it's not all its cracked up to be." Of course alot of people interpreted that as a celebrity whining about how hard being famous is. Yes! That's how I got the song when it came out too. It was the beginning of all these stupid girls becoming famous for no reason. Paris Hilton was very popular then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TearsInHeaven Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 and here you have the original music video in all its glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I do like this song. It's not really catchy though or an obvious hit. I think after the brilliance of Ray of Light and Music it just stood out as being abit forgettable to the general public. I think too, the sarcasm and the message of the song was lost on a mainstream audience. But what she was saying was actually brilliant. All these people willing to do anything for 15 minutes of fame, Paris Hilton, reality TV "stars," etc, Madonna was saying to them "I've done all that and more and it's not all its cracked up to be." Of course alot of people interpreted that as a celebrity whining about how hard being famous is. The thing is, she kind of already came to that conclusion by the late eighties which you can see in TOD. I think she was just really fed up of the awful culture (or lack of it) in the mainstream at the time. Every song was about how much money people had or stupid shit like that. Just generally an awful period for music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 It is very flaccid isn't it? Needed that extra oomph from such a weak vocal But NOT when performed LIVE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Can anybody upload the SONG (not the video, the SONG) American Life, the uncensored version where she says FUCK IT by sendspace? My CD doesn't have that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Listened to this song religiously after it was released, but had no idea until years later that some fans did not like this song. It's also so fucked up that neither the original or the second video she made for the song were on the Celebration DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I loved American Life with a passion when it came out, but it was really hard for me to enjoy it because of all the negativity surrounding it. I'm older now and I don't give a fuck what others think. I know exactly how you felt. It was the same for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'm going to put it on my compilation!! I have to omit "Crazy for You". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVC Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Like EVERYTHING Madonna has done in the past that was HATED at the time it was released....it will be appreciated 10 years later. Give Me All Your Luvin will be LUVVVVVVVED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloane Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I've always liked this song. The rap is cheesy but I don't listen to it much anyway since the remixes don't usually include it. The album version I never listen to. In fact I don't listen to any album versions from AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 The thing is, she kind of already came to that conclusion by the late eighties which you can see in TOD. I think she was just really fed up of the awful culture (or lack of it) in the mainstream at the time. Every song was about how much money people had or stupid shit like that. Just generally an awful period for music. While I agree she came to that conclusion much earlier on in her mind I really think Madonna was still very much attached to fame up until the late 90's after she'd had her first child. Regardless of what was coming out of her mouth she was a bonafide fame/attention whore in the early 90's and I'm sure she'd agree. Truth or Dare shows a woman quite obsessed with stardom. And I'm not saying there was anything wrong with that, it's part of her journey but she certainly had to mature beyond that at some stage or she would never have been particularly happy I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Like EVERYTHING Madonna has done in the past that was HATED at the time it was released....it will be appreciated 10 years later. Give Me All Your Luvin will be LUVVVVVVVED Well we are up to 10 years since AL and most people seem to still hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I really don't understand the hate for not only the song and the album also, plus it seems RIT doesn't get much love..but I do wonder if the tour was a tad too rushed as some sort of damage control. Back to Al, I love the album, the song and the video. AL video getting banned, followed by Hollywood video where they were accused of doing a gags stealing Guy Bourdin shit, it kinda was the end of videos for that album, but I think they are both great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 While I agree she came to that conclusion much earlier on in her mind I really think Madonna was still very much attached to fame up until the late 90's after she'd had her first child. Regardless of what was coming out of her mouth she was a bonafide fame/attention whore in the early 90's and I'm sure she'd agree. Truth or Dare shows a woman quite obsessed with stardom. And I'm not saying there was anything wrong with that, it's part of her journey but she certainly had to mature beyond that at some stage or she would never have been particularly happy I don't think. I disagree. I think it was the time she was becoming dissillusioned with the fame. Yeah, she was still very much involved and her ego was probably at its biggest. Still, she was definitely figuring out who she was/soul searching. I think she was more self involved and very determined and likes the thought that she could do/have what she wanted. However, if you listen to what she is saying in truth or do she is showing a longing for more and she says 'Who haven't I met?' and 'People always talk about how fame changes you but...' etcetera. It was all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I don't think Reinvention was necessarily rushed, there was just a lot of pandering to casual audience goers going on there which was going against the grain for Madonna. I always believed she was talked into it. Especially with the last section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 One thing is for sure, American Life was definitely not rushed. She put a lot of time and care into that album. I wouldn't be surprised if she one day randomly refers to it as one of her favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I disagree. I think it was the time she was becoming dissillusioned with the fame. Yeah, she was still very much involved and her ego was probably at its biggest. Still, she was definitely figuring out who she was/soul searching. I think she was more self involved and very determined and likes the thought that she could do/have what she wanted. However, if you listen to what she is saying in truth or do she is showing a longing for more and she says 'Who haven't I met?' and 'People always talk about how fame changes you but...' etcetera. It was all there. Well the point I was making is that she was expressing dissatisfaction and disillusionment with it all but her actions weren't really reflecting someone who had let go of that shallow world. If we think about it Madonna was always soul searching even pre fame. She was searching to fill a void with her ambitions and when fame/glory/attention didn't fill that void she began looking deeper inside. Which was essentially the process of realising the external world can't fulfill her and discovering real fulfillment comes from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Well the point I was making is that she was expressing dissatisfaction and disillusionment with it all but her actions weren't really reflecting someone who had let go of that shallow world. If we think about it Madonna was always soul searching even pre fame. She was searching to fill a void with her ambitions and when fame/glory/attention didn't fill that void she began looking deeper inside. Which was essentially the process of realising the external world can't fulfill her and discovering real fulfillment comes from within. Exactly. What I'm saying is that AL wasn't the realisation of that for her. It was the REACTION of other people's LACK OF REALISATION or LACK OF PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND MORE IN LIFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Oh I know. I agree. I think Ray of Light (the album) was when she started to actually find real fulfillment elsewhere. But I agree, she was definitely aware that fame and success was not fulfilling quite early on. She was still chasing it though and hungry for more. While Drowned World served as her own moment of realization as I said earlier AL was definitely more about other people. It was Madonna sharing her wisdom. "Look at me, I'm living proof there's more to life and fame, success, power, wealth etc doesn't make you happy." She really was a living example of that. It's not surprising people didn't get it because a large percentage of society is caught up in that world and can't separate from it, nor do they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 You can say that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUKESAVANT Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I think the real video aids American Life. Its a great video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBreeze Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 GIFs are disgusting! Words are useless... Especially sentences... I love GIFs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBreeze Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Exactly. What I'm saying is that AL wasn't the realisation of that for her. It was the REACTION of other people's LACK OF REALISATION or LACK OF PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND MORE IN LIFE. The only problem is that it's much easier to do it from her perspective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The only problem is that it's much easier to do it from her perspective... Yep, that's very true. Having said that it was her desire for something deeper that gave her everything she has today. She has a really powerful soul. She's magical and a total intellectual. I love that somebody like her exists today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Not4Pussies Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 One thing is for sure, American Life was definitely not rushed. She put a lot of time and care into that album. I wouldn't be surprised if she one day randomly refers to it as one of her favourites. She already has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayofmusic Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 When did she say it's one of her favourites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 5:36-5:38. "One of my favourite records ever". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayofmusic Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Damn the interview won't play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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