Roland Barthes Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Pat Leonard did the score to "I am because we are" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 As expected, my comments do not appear. Reader censorship- and denial of the facts- at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 A lot of good points r being made here... But i'd just like 2 point out that when it says she writes the lyrics it also usually means she writes the 'top melody'. This was pointed out by the legendary songwriter Billy Steinberg who said Madonna is a VERY underrated as a songwriter. U can also bet ur ass that when Madonna writes with these DJ-types that the melody is hers. (unless Guy Oseary went demo shopping for her) RE: those swedes said they were floored when she started singing Get Together to their track on the spot. But I'd think with Pat it's a very different process. And it's different everytime, for instance what is Music (the song) without M's melody? That's her genius right there, and the essence of 'pop':fag: Don't Tell Me is another perfect example! Listen to the original, then listen 2 her version, that's songwriting 2! Also, most of the songs on ROL that had music written by Pat were completely deconstructed & re-arranged. BUT, don't forget she is also a PRODUCER. Reading you is such a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasky Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 hopefully she'll pick up Pat Leonard in the future with further collaborations... I missed their work... give us Like a prayer again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Madonna + Pat + Joe Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Tbh i would rather see Madonna work with some brilliant unknown producer like she did in the past. Some of her very best music came from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 All this moron has done with this article is to confirm from Pat Leonard of how Madonna described their songwriting process in the past. The 1989 Molly Meldrum interview springs to mind, as well as Breakfast with Madonna. I know Madonna rubs some people the wrong way, and having more or less had to defend my fandom for years (specifically LAP-Erotica/Sex) her work has remained solid and relevant all these hearts later, the P Leonard songs have stood the test of time better than any of the others, save for a handful of Steve Bray co-writes, so all this continual Madonna hating from certain media outlets/journalists is (at this point) mind numbing. I dont blame Madonna one bit for shying away from interviews and refusing to read reviews and get caught up in all that nonsense. I hope she at least has some Pat leonard songs laying around that she dusts off and reworks. Their songs together are the closest to magic my ears have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangapop Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Tbh i would rather see Madonna work with some brilliant unknown producer like she did in the past. Some of her very best music came from that. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 A few years I bought Peter Cetera's 1988 album "One More Story" cos Madonna's on it as backing vocalist during one track. Anyway - was listening to it the other week for the first time since I got it. The album is mostly written and produced by Pat Leonard and it's really really wierd how it all is very very reminiscent of "WHO'S THAT GIRL"! They forgot that one in the article above btw - one of Madonna's biggest worldwide number ones - anyway... The Peter Cetera album has so many other people on it from True Blue & Like A Prayer - it's kinda almost like a pretend Madonna album from that era. Definitely worth a listen. I can't stand Peter Cetera's middle of the road style and his voice doesn't do anything for me but all those Leonard tracks are strangely likeable. The lead track "Best of Times" is I think the strongest and as I say - so VERY WHO'S THAT GIRL sounding!!! Pat Leonard lovers should check it out! I just YouTubed it, you're right, it sounds almost exactly like Who's That Girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 NO NEED TO INSULT. If I can be polite, so can you. Labels want to sell records, there is nothing bad about that. Every musician wants to sell music. I have never said Madonna makes soulless music to get some money. Actually, I wrote that everything Madonna made isn't mainstream. Kate Bush produces and compose, that is a fact. You said that mainstream music was made to top the charts and make money and that Kate Bush wasn't mainstream. Kate Bush is a mainstream artist and that is a fact. She is signed to a major record label. She promotes her music with videos and promotional material within the domain of the wider market. SHE IS FUCKING MAINSTREAM. Don't be dumb. Madonna is mainstream and so is Kate Bush...entirely. You may say that certain elements of their work have a sensibility which ISN'T mainstream but still...they are MAINSTREAM artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Oh, such warm feelings towards Madonna! I love that they seem to be still friends and that he admires him so much. I hope they meet soon to write together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Tbh i would rather see Madonna work with some brilliant unknown producer like she did in the past. Some of her very best music came from that. I don't agree. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But if Madonna gets into that Hall of Fame will be because of the work she did when she decided to write a proper songs, and that happened normally with Pat or Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Strangely TUTBMP reminds me of a work of M/Leonard. And its not. Also, who is behind the brilliance of "Rain"? Pettibone? So, indeed, I think Madonna needs much more credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 This is one pairing I would love to see again, at least for the songwriting. We already got the William Orbit redux collab, I want Pat back for writing. I hope she continues to work with new people too though. For all the complaints about MDNA, I think she pulled a few good things out of Solveig ("I Fucked Up", "I Don't Give A" and "Beautiful Killer") and Benassi ("I'm Addicted"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Yes, have whatever "cutting edge" DJ you want to produce but she needs a songwriting partner like Leonard to bring the best out in her lyrics. However the MELODY, the actual germ of the song, that unmistakable ditty stuck in our head that we can't stop humming (regardless of the "music")...is ALL MADONNA and that's what makes her a great songwriter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carta Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 What did Rosie say about TUTBMP? Someone made mention of it earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Not4Pussies Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 both madonna and rosie were in the recording studio while the orchestra recorded their part of the song and rosie mentioned how madonna was able to instinctively spot a mistake that the orchestra was making that no one else was noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aorlaan Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 interesting... a little off topic but is it true patrick wrote a song for m and mimi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carta Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Thanks Not4pussies! Very much fitting in with the many accounts of Madonna's musicality from a variety of sources LUV - I guess it's possible, but highly unlikely. Maybe Pat pitched the idea to Madonna and that's why they haven't recorded together since ROL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I agree with Kim. The good thing about Pat is his versatility. For example, Natalie Imbruglia's That Day shows how he can build a song, that properly produce can be something incredible. And it's true, it's Madonna's talent with melodies what makes a song brilliant. That's why many fans are a bit disappointed with all these "give me some demos and outtakes and i make an album" records that M has released recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I agree with Kim. The good thing about Pat is his versatility. For example, Natalie Imbruglia's That Day shows how he can build a song, that properly produce can be something incredible. And it's true, it's Madonna's talent with melodies what makes a song brilliant. That's why many fans are a bit disappointed with all these "give me some demos and outtakes and i make an album" records that M has released recently. Unlike Kylie Minogue who is a multi instrumentalist who writes everything from scratch. Sorry but you're full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Lighting directer Peter Morse (who is a musician, & someone who studied opera) said he was very impressed the way Madonna can break down the music per bar. This obviously comes from her years of classical training as a dancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Unlike Kylie Minogue who is a multi instrumentalist who writes everything from scratch. Sorry but you're full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I think that M was not happy how LAP sounded old fashioned back in 1989/90. She wanted more modern sound like Paula Abdul and Janet were having. So, in came the DeeJays. professional song writer (Joe Henry, Leotard, Kraviz) + professional "hip" producer (Pettibone, Mirwais, Orbit, Solveig) + Madonna = perfect tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I think that M was not happy how LAP sounded old fashioned back in 1989/90. She wanted more modern sound like Paula Abdul and Janet were having. She had just gotten divorced, she turned 30 during the writing process & she was the biggest female icon since Marilyn Monroe. She was in an introspective mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 She had just gotten divorced, she turned 30 during the writing process & she was the biggest female icon since Marilyn Monroe. She was in an introspective mood. I know. WTF?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangapop Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 professional song writer (Joe Henry, Leotard, Kraviz) + professional "hip" producer (Pettibone, Mirwais, Orbit, Solveig) + Madonna = perfect tune. Solveig? Come on. He can make catchy tunes with Madonna, but Madonna can do more than that. Stuart Price is much better producer than Solveig and I believe he can make more serious and mature stuff than COADF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Solveig? Come on. He can make catchy tunes with Madonna, but Madonna can do more than that. Stuart Price is much better producer than Solveig and I believe he can make more serious and mature stuff than COADF. Better in what way? Better because you think so? You may BELIEVE that Stuart can make more serious and mature stuff than COADF but as somebody who is quite aware of his back catologue I know that it isn't what he does best. If you like Stuart then clearly your sensibility is a dance orientated and light sensibility. Stop pretending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangapop Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Better in what way? Better because you think so? You may BELIEVE that Stuart can make more serious and mature stuff than COADF but as somebody who is quite aware of his back catologue I know that it isn't what he does best. If you like Stuart then clearly your sensibility is a dance orientated and light sensibility. Stop pretending. Well COADF is better than MDNA, I guess that is telling something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 She had just gotten divorced, she turned 30 during the writing process & she was the biggest female icon since Marilyn Monroe. She was in an introspective mood. Well, she wanted more modern sound and she went after it (Vogue, Rescue Me, Justify My Love and of course Erotica). Same thing happened with ROL. Leotard got the boot from the producers chair. Very wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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