BREXIT vote aftermath

[XXL]

What's this joke? Two decades moaning about the building of the real union, leading euroscepticism, going the PM all cocky to Brussels to make deals in favour of UK "or I will support brexit", trying to block citizens from certain EU countries to enter there, making a referendum and people wanting out...

And now this??? Who is ruling that country, a bunch of spoilt children???

This unfortunately. The thing is the UK has benefitted enormously from EU membership without wanting to ever share any of the downsides. The fact that they stayed out of the currency and Schengen put them in an infinitely more advantageous position compared to other EU countries who have been screwed over with the Exchange rate from their previous national currencies during the 1999-2002 transition.

Combine that with a lack of information and deceitful promises as MeakMaker said and you get a result like this one.

The annoying thing is that's always middle and working class people that end up picking up the tab, not the Borises etc, should things not be rosey.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

CNN International just had that asshole Farage on TV. He was bragging how perfectly well the British economy is just doing after what was voted for on Thursday. The stock exchange and the pounds have stabilized. So everything is fine. Seriously? Is he living in a bubble? When will he stop talking nonsense? I guess the guy has no idea what he is talking about. The issue is not about today. It is not even about tomorrow or the next weeks. Technically today is no different than last Wednesday or Thursday. Truth is, the UK has not even invoked article 50 which declares that the UK intends to leave the EU. The process of leaving may take up 2 years or more. During all that time the UK is still part of the EU with all of its benefits. What comes after is the big question? In the meantime there'll be just a lot of uncertainty which will mainly affect the investments made in the UK. Stock exchange and currency? When was the last time those things reflected what was going on in the real world, in the real economy? Shares and currency trading has become a huge gamble. Bankers placing bets on companies that are worth billions (in share value only) yet have never posted a penny or cent of profits. This system will crash at some point in the near future again. And of course everyone from financial institutions to politicians will wonder once again how this could even happen. Just like in 2008. So spare me this talk about how well the stock exchange and currency is doing.

[XXL]

CNN International just had that asshole Farage on TV. He was bragging how perfectly well the British economy is just doing after what was voted for on Thursday. The stock exchange and the pounds have stabilized. So everything is fine. Seriously? Is he living in a bubble? When will he stop talking nonsense? I guess the guy has no idea what he is talking about. The issue is not about today. It is not even about tomorrow or the next weeks. Technically today is no different than last Wednesday or Thursday. Truth is, the UK has not even invoked article 50 which declares that the UK intends to leave the EU. The process of leaving may take up 2 years or more. During all that time the UK is still part of the EU with all of its benefits. What comes after is the big question? In the meantime there'll be just a lot of uncertainty which will mainly affect the investments made in the UK. Stock exchange and currency? When was the last time those things reflected what was going on in the real world, in the real economy? Shares and currency trading has become a huge gamble. Bankers placing bets on companies that are worth billions (in share value only) yet have never posted a penny or cent of profits. This system will crash at some point in the near future again. And of course everyone from financial institutions to politicians will wonder once again how this could even happen. Just like in 2008. So spare me this talk about how well the stock exchange and currency is doing.

"We have reached a great moment for decent people"

No, you have potentially screwed them over. It's interesting to see How this referendum has brought out to the surface so many differencies and gameplaying within both Labour and Conservative party. Half the Labour shadow cabinet resigned today. Labour MP Diane Abbott said what happened today against Corbyn had been planned for months and has got nothing to do with his ability or REMAIN stance

[Raider of the lost Ark]

"We have reached a great moment for decent people"

No, you have potentially screwed them over. It's interesting to see How this referendum has brought out to the surface so many differencies and gameplaying within both Labour and Conservative party. Half the Labour shadow cabinet resigned today. Labour MP Diane Abbott said what happened today against Corbyn had been planned for months and has got nothing to do with his ability or REMAIN stance

Don't know what to think of the Corbyn situation. But it was interesting what one political commentator said. He said, what MPs say at Westminster is one thing. What they say home at their constituency is a another. That perfectly explains why roughly two thirds of MPs actually were in favor of Remain while their own constituency voted differently. Seems to me that those MPs did a terrible job. How could they have been so unaware about their voters preferences. Or why were the MPs unable to convince their voters of their position? Just shows how detached politicians have become from the people.

[Guest Mauro]

Half of Labour's shadow cabinet just resigned.

[XXL]

11 resignations and one sacking from Corbyn among Labour shadow cabinet members. Can any UK based poster explain why this result seems to be affecting the Labour Party so conspicuously, aside from having caused the resignation of Cameron and rifts within the Conservative Party

[Guest Rachelle of London]

11 resignations and one sacking from Corbyn among Labour shadow cabinet members. Can any UK based poster explain why this result seems to be affecting the Labour Party so conspicuously, aside from having caused the resignation of Cameron and rifts within the Conservative Party

Because the people that resigned are NOT labour MPs. As the not so intelligent Diane Abbot even described them perfectly they are "Labour Lite." They're public school rich kids that are only with the Labour Party for their own gain. Career politicians. They wouldn't know what labour was if it hit them in the face with a sword. The descendants of the Tory friendly Blair Labour government so to speak. They've been seething that Corbyn is leader because he doesn't "fit in the club" all they're doing is this to get him to be forced to resign. I'm glad he sacked Hilary Benn. Threw Corbyn under the bus and then today tried to throw him some back handed compliments for sound bites on live TV.

All of this is just for them to use for their own game. They want Corbyn out. Corbyn is doing better in public opinion polls. They hate that. Them leaving the shadow cabinet is a blessing as there are many labour MPs that would love the chance to be a part of the cabinet.

It's sad. I love Corbyn and I'm not ashamed of it.

The media bias towards David Cameron and Boris Johnson makes me bloody sick.

[karbatal]

I never understood the term "public school" in UK. If translate into Spanish, it's the free school where we all regular people go. In UK is some kind of very expensive school? What's the name of the regular and free school?

[Guest Rachelle of London]

I never understood the term "public school" in UK. If translate into Spanish, it's the free school where we all regular people go. In UK is some kind of very expensive school? What's the name of the regular and free school?

It is confusing. Public schools are independent private schools which are very prestigious. Most of them are boarding schools like Eton, Harrow, Dulwich, Rugby etc

Private schools are just fee paying schools.

Then you have state schools which are the normal ones that are free.

[billiejean]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07kgr9g/question-time-eu-special

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Just watching a discussion on German TV. There is one woman from the Leave campaign. She can hardly make any points because all the other participants are very well informed. What is interesting is that the Leave campaign seems to have some weird idea about article 50. They somehow believe that invoking article 50 is the last step of the process. That means, from their perspective the exit talks/negotiations come before that. That clearly shows that they still think they can use the Leave vote as a leverage to get a good deal. Otherwise they will never invoke article 50? Can it be more obvious that the Leave campaign itself is not buying the stuff they told the people and that they are well aware of the negatives that come with a Brexit. Of course, the rest of the EU will not accept that. Talks will not start before article 50 is invoked. Much to the amusement of the audience and the panel one guest asked if it could be possible that no one in the UK is actually willing to invoke article 50. Cameron stepped down, Dove and Johnson are nowhere to be found. A new prime minister will not be elected before October.

[karbatal]

It is confusing. Public schools are independent private schools which are very prestigious. Most of them are boarding schools like Eton, Harrow, Dulwich, Rugby etc

Private schools are just fee paying schools.

Then you have state schools which are the normal ones that are free.

Thanks baby. By the way your pic in the avatar is to die for.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I never understood the term "public school" in UK. If translate into Spanish, it's the free school where we all regular people go. In UK is some kind of very expensive school? What's the name of the regular and free school?

Haha, I'm so with you on this. Indeed very confusing that it's the opposite of what the term implies.

Thanks to Chelle for explaining it again.

[Apples388]

UKIP representative to Clacton said we should reach out to people that are upset and he wants to organise Hug a Migrant Day

WTF!

You couldn't make this shit up I swear

[karbatal]

Just watching a discussion on German TV. There is one woman from the Leave campaign. She can hardly make any points because all the other participants are very well informed. What is interesting is that the Leave campaign seems to have some weird idea about article 50. They somehow believe that invoking article 50 is the last step of the process. That means, from their perspective the exit talks/negotiations come before that. That clearly shows that they still think they can use the Leave vote as a leverage to get a good deal. Otherwise they will never invoke article 50? Can it be more obvious that the Leave campaign itself is not buying the stuff they told the people and that they are well aware of the negatives that come with a Brexit. Of course, the rest of the EU will not accept that. Talks will not start before article 50 is invoked. Much to the amusement of the audience and the panel one guest asked if it could be possible that no one in the UK is actually willing to invoke article 50. Cameron stepped down, Dove and Johnson are nowhere to be found. A new prime minister will not be elected before October.

Cameron will be in Brussels or Strasbourg in Tuesday, maybe? Well, in a couple of days, to some summit, and he should communicate the decision. If he doesn't communicate it and tries to be goofy, then i hope Shulz or Junker really call him out.

[XXL]

Don't know what to think of the Corbyn situation. But it was interesting what one political commentator said. He said, what MPs say at Westminster is one thing. What they say home at their constituency is a another. That perfectly explains why roughly two thirds of MPs actually were in favor of Remain while their own constituency voted differently. Seems to me that those MPs did a terrible job. How could they have been so unaware about their voters preferences. Or why were the MPs unable to convince their voters of their position? Just shows how detached politicians have become from the people.

So true. What is said and what is done are two different things.

Detachment from the real interests of the public seems to be a common theme in many countries now. What scares me is that those wealthy individuals that have promoted a LEAVE stance have their own little benefit in mind while pretending to be doing it for the middle and working classes. Nothing changes for them, either the result

[Ai Papi Si.]

UKIP representative to Clacton said we should reach out to people that are upset and he wants to organise Hug a Migrant Day

WTF!

Sounds like a Trump suggestion. Lol

[Guest Rachelle of London]

Sounds like a Trump suggestion. Lol

Omg I think it's the guy that blamed gays for the flooding we had a couple of years ago and then there was a campaign to make its raining men number one. I will need to check but pretty sure it's the same fool.

[XXL]

Cameron will be in Brussels or Strasbourg in Tuesday, maybe? Well, in a couple of days, to some summit, and he should communicate the decision. If he doesn't communicate it and tries to be goofy, then i hope Shulz or Junker really call him out.

It's already been reported that he won't trigger article 50 on Tue. Even Merkel seems to be cautious. Perhaps they hope that the petition for a second referendum will be successful?

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Cameron will be in Brussels or Strasbourg in Tuesday, maybe? Well, in a couple of days, to some summit, and he should communicate the decision. If he doesn't communicate it and tries to be goofy, then i hope Shulz or Junker really call him out.

Hopefully. But I must admit that I'm no fan of Juncker either. In the aftermath of the Brexit one of the changes should be stepping down of Juncker from the commission and Draghi from the ECB. Both very much represent everything what people consider bad about the EU. Juncker = Luxembourg = tax haven = very low income taxes for companies, alleged tax evasion. Draghi = Goldman Sachs = who is he working for?

[XXL]

Because the people that resigned are NOT labour MPs. As the not so intelligent Diane Abbot even described them perfectly they are "Labour Lite." They're public school rich kids that are only with the Labour Party for their own gain. Career politicians. They wouldn't know what labour was if it hit them in the face with a sword. The descendants of the Tory friendly Blair Labour government so to speak. They've been seething that Corbyn is leader because he doesn't "fit in the club" all they're doing is this to get him to be forced to resign. I'm glad he sacked Hilary Benn. Threw Corbyn under the bus and then today tried to throw him some back handed compliments for sound bites on live TV.

All of this is just for them to use for their own game. They want Corbyn out. Corbyn is doing better in public opinion polls. They hate that. Them leaving the shadow cabinet is a blessing as there are many labour MPs that would love the chance to be a part of the cabinet.

It's sad. I love Corbyn and I'm not ashamed of it.

The media bias towards David Cameron and Boris Johnson makes me bloody sick.

I see. Thanks for the explanation

[XXL]

Hopefully. But I must admit that I'm no fan of Juncker either. In the aftermath of the Brexit one of the changes should be stepping down of Juncker from the commission and Draghi from the ECB. Both very much represent everything what people consider bad about the EU. Juncker = Luxembourg = tax haven = very low income taxes for companies, alleged tax evasion. Draghi = Goldman Sachs = who is he working for?

Very true

All major Central banks are not acting in the public's best interest. That QE endless printing of money is the greatest scam ever implemented by the Bank Of England, The Fed and the ECB alike

[Guest]

Corbyn doesn't have very good backing in the party and I think he's a terrible speaker who often seems feeble. He also seems like his opinions are effected by whatever is popular on the Internet. Some nice ideals but seems to go whichever way the wind blows. Either way...he isn't inspiring confidence.

[Kim]

11 resignations and one sacking from Corbyn among Labour shadow cabinet members. Can any UK based poster explain why this result seems to be affecting the Labour Party so conspicuously, aside from having caused the resignation of Cameron and rifts within the Conservative Party

Because as leader of the Labour party it was his job to rally and get the STAY message across to Labour supporters. He couldn't have been more meandering or on the fence for the majority of the campaign (he's actually very Eurosceptic) As it happened, the Labour heartlands in the north and midlands voted for LEAVE as the scare-mongering tactics of that campaign hit home a lot more than whatever ineffective campaign Labour were running. All they saw was a Tory PM telling then what to do while the other side riled them up to stand up for themselves, take back the country blah blah. Digging that hole for them to all jump into.

He rightly has to take the blame for some of that. He also presides over a party in turmoil. He's a traditional Labour guy with socialist leanings, leading a party divided between New Labour Blairites and grass roots traditionalists.

Labour's shift to the centre politically over the last 20 years has resulted in no effective left of centre party remaining UK wide. Hence the SNPs rise to the top in Scotland and unfortunately for the rest of the UK, they are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future ie. FOREVER... until an effective opposition party takes them on. Labour in its current form, isn't it.

Corbyn, as nice a guy as he is, and as sound as some of his politics are, is not a great leader or tactician. He doesn't have it in him to heal the divides within his own party, nevermind the divide of the country. He'll be gone soon.

[Gaudet]

This was a non-binding advisory referendum, it has no constitutional significance.

The Parliament could decide and vote against Brexit - why is this point not widely stressed out on media outlets?

[karbatal]

that's absurd. Referendums are made to be obeyed, not as a barometer to know opinions.

[Guest]

Because as leader of the Labour party it was his job to rally and get the STAY message across to Labour supporters. He couldn't have been more meandering or on the fence for the majority of the campaign (he's actually very Eurosceptic) As it happened, the Labour heartlands in the north and midlands voted for LEAVE as the scare-mongering tactics of that campaign hit home a lot more than whatever ineffective campaign Labour were running. All they saw was a Tory PM telling then what to do while the other side riled them up to stand up for themselves, take back the country blah blah. Digging that hole for them to all jump into.

He rightly has to take the blame for some of that. He also presides over a party in turmoil. He's a traditional Labour guy with socialist leanings, leading a party divided between New Labour Blairites and grass roots traditionalists.

Labour's shift to the centre politically over the last 20 years has resulted in no effective left of centre party remaining UK wide. Hence the SNPs rise to the top in Scotland and unfortunately for the rest of the UK, they are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future ie. FOREVER... until an effective opposition party takes them on. Labour in its current form, isn't it.

Corbyn, as nice a guy as he is, and as sound as some of his politics are, is not a great leader or tactician. He doesn't have it in him to heal the divides within his own party, nevermind the divide of the country. He'll be gone soon.

Yep, like I said...blows whichever way the wind blows. The main criticism from EU remainers was that he didn't campaign hard enough to encourage votes in the north. I understand their frustration but his hands were tied because he obviously wanted to leave the EU but wouldn't be allowed to say as much by the Labour party.

[Guest]

This was a non-binding advisory referendum, it has no constitutional significance.

The Parliament could decide and vote against Brexit - why is this point not widely stressed out on media outlets?

It is and has been widely reported. However, if it happened it would probably cause a revolt from a large portion of the country and totally undermine DEMOCRACY.

[BrendanT1993]

Boris may be clever, but he's also unreliable and a lazy thinker. Rhetoric, and there was rather a lot of it from him, is no substitute for hard work, responsible thinking and setting out how he would lead if his campaign succeeded. He didn't expect to win the poll and I'd be surprised if he would be able to lead the UK during the following challenging years. He poured spin and falsehoods into a poisoned chalice and now he'll have to take the first sip. Little wonder he and Gove looked so uncomfortable when they heard the poll result.
Unfortunately we'll all, without exception, have to share the chalice he forced on us.

[Kim]

Boris or May. It's like asking what your preferred method of euthanasia is. What a world.