Queen Bitch Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 HOPEFULLY< THE CD WILL SUSTAIN ITS SALES AND * * n o t * * PLUMMET! With Give It To Me scheduled as the second single, I give this album 10 weeks max on the top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindi Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 If it ends up with similar sales to COADF, I think it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marc Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 If it ends up with similar sales to COADF, I think it's all good. That would actually mean she has done better this time around. 1.7 million in 2008 is like 2.5 million in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezwer Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 You all disappoint me... no wonder why Madonna will never make it big in the US again with such lame fans... that's all I have to say more about this subject... and I leave it like that... sorry I can't join your party over this estimated sales numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bad Robot Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 You all disappoint me... no wonder why Madonna will never make it big in the US again with such lame fans... that's all I have to say more about this subject... and I leave it like that... sorry I can't join your party over this estimated sales numbers... Jesus Christ. Shut up, please. You know how many times you've said "I'll leave it at that" and then you keep on posting your bitchy, negative drivel? Who is celebrating? You are the most negative person I have ever encountered on this board. All you do is post misinformed opinions on how awful things are doing. No one is claiming this is great. People are not coming up with "excuses" they are trying to come up with reasons and explanations. For the record, I posted this way back earlier in this thread a fairly low opening estimate and was criticized soundly by people on here for being way low, and it turns out I was actually overly optimistic. But the clearest reason for these lowish figures is the current music market. Sales have dropped about 30% since COADF came out. Selling 300k today is the equivalent of selling about 430k in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest socalboy1984 Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Jesus Christ. Shut up, please. You know how many times you've said "I'll leave it at that" and then you keep on posting your bitchy, negative drivel? Who is celebrating? You are the most negative person I have ever encountered on this board. All you do is post misinformed opinions on how awful things are doing. No one is claiming this is great. People are not coming up with "excuses" they are trying to come up with reasons and explanations. For the record, I posted this way back earlier in this thread a fairly low opening estimate and was criticized soundly by people on here for being way low, and it turns out I was actually overly optimistic. But the clearest reason for these lowish figures is the current music market. Sales have dropped about 30% since COADF came out. Selling 300k today is the equivalent of selling about 430k in 2005. Thank you, BadRobot. It's hard to reason with people like that. They need some sort of sedative to keep emotions in check, especially over such trivial matters. We all love Madonna and like to see her succeed but no need to throw a bitch-fest over sales numbers. Anyhow, point of this post is digital sales are not accounted for in the HITS estimate. Case in point. HITS has Flight of Concords at #4 but in Billboard's final album tally, it's #3 (ABOVE Ashlee Simpson). Madonna is doing very well in digital sales front. I think she'll actually exceed 300k on the final album chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrolito Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Jesus Christ. Shut up, please. You know how many times you've said "I'll leave it at that" and then you keep on posting your bitchy, negative drivel? Who is celebrating? You are the most negative person I have ever encountered on this board. All you do is post misinformed opinions on how awful things are doing. No one is claiming this is great. People are not coming up with "excuses" they are trying to come up with reasons and explanations. For the record, I posted this way back earlier in this thread a fairly low opening estimate and was criticized soundly by people on here for being way low, and it turns out I was actually overly optimistic. But the clearest reason for these lowish figures is the current music market. Sales have dropped about 30% since COADF came out. Selling 300k today is the equivalent of selling about 430k in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigham Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Wait, so HDD doesnt track the pre-orders?? Yes, they do!!!! Pre-prders count as first day sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
air1975 Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 You know how many times you've said "I'll leave it at that" and then you keep on posting your bitchy, negative drivel? LOL! This is the funniest thing I have read all day! So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bad Robot Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 HDD counts digital as well. They just have a different list of stores that report than Soundscan. There are often discrepancies by as much as 10% or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fighting_spirit Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 So it's selling EXACTLY as I expected. I don't feel disappointed so far but sometimes estimated sales are off (Mariah was estimated to sell 600k and it sold over 100k less) and I hope that won't be the case this time. If HC sells 180-200K that would be quite a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindi Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 If HC sells 180-200K that would be quite a disappointment. I think we'll need to start bringing in the paramedics! The floor of this forum will be absolutely slippery with blood of slashed wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fighting_spirit Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I think we'll need to start bringing in the paramedics! The floor of this forum will be absolutely slippery with blood of slashed wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisy_Boy Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 It will sell 400k-450k for sure... she's in US now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probed By Greys Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 HDD projecting 275-300 based on one days Yikes, I was right! I predicted 280k! 280k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 well, look on the bright side... it will top AMERICAN LIFE's opening sales, and that was released in a better sales climate and around the same time of the year... anyways, #1 is good enough and 300k is a respectable debut (i was rooting for 375k) and if comparing this to MooMoo's album in inevitable, please bear in mind the TONS of promo she did before the album release... she actually promoted it like hell an entire month before the release... so again, the 463k debut was well-deserved... so for M, the 275k-300k debut is well-deserved also (all the pun definitely intended) i'll still wait until the final numbers are out next week, the concert mileage may still do wonders and add some more sales... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Well yes... I don't know Do some promo Madge....! msn.com promotes the concert now brilliant... they promote it 8 hrs before it happens, a lot of good that'll do... UGH!!! and they can't even put it on a BANNER HEADLINE... the LIVE EARTH show featuring MADONNA was promoted like weeks in the MSN frontpage before it actually happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 HDD counts digital as well. They just have a different list of stores that report than Soundscan. There are often discrepancies by as much as 10% or so. wow, so iTunes also give out their 1st day sales huh... we'll see next week when the final numbers are out... i am crossing my fingers for a 300k+ debut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probed By Greys Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 How much did Disciplined debut with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Her final studio album for the Bunny, Hard Candy, is on track to sell between 275-300k, which will handily end Mariah Carey’s two-week reign with E=MC2, according to one-day sale reports from those retailers still standing around this great country of ours. Welp, it's not gonna outsell COADF in the U.S. Disappointing but I imagine that is to be expected. Tame promotional campaign. I hope it crosses 1 million copies in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigham Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 How much did Disciplined debut with? 181k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lori Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Let's face it, the music business has changed. Album sales are down and the price per CD is down while production, promotion & distribution costs are up. How much can an artist really make when a CD sells for $10 . Album sales may not be that important anymore to concert giants like Madonna. Even if she appeared on Oprah and American Idol, that would have added maybe another 100,000 to her sales. In terms of dollar amounts, that's probably just another $200,000 to Madonna's pocket. She probably earns that for singing two songs in every show. You can't compare her to Mariah cuz Mariah's whole career (hell, her whole life) depends on album sales and the charts. She really has nothing else going for her. Madonna has so much more going for her, in her career and private life. That said, 300,000 is pretty good in today's market. Plus she is stronger than anyone else in worldwide sales. I don't think Madonna will be disappointed with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokot Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 240,000 - 275,00 I wasn't that far off I don't see anything wrong with her opening numbers. So she will sell 50000 less in her first week then with Confessions, big deal. I don't think people realize how HUGE Hung Up was all over the world including US. I'd be impressed if her sales are 700000 in the first week worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexz Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Can anyone tell Zezwer that we aen't on Christmas season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I don't think people realize how HUGE Hung Up was all over the world including US. it wasn't... 700k would be a very modest estimate... 275k-300k - US 150-200k - UK 70k-80k - JAPAN that's already 500k-580k alone from those 3 countries... big markets like GERMANY, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN still not included... and we know the situation is there... two HCs mostly in TOP 5 albums... she'll easily do 850k the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexz Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 150k in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigham Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Let's face it, the music business has changed. Album sales are down and the price per CD is down while production, promotion & distribution costs are up. How much can an artist really make when a CD sells for $10 . Album sales may not be that important anymore to concert giants like Madonna. Even if she appeared on Oprah and American Idol, that would have added maybe another 100,000 to her sales. In terms of dollar amounts, that's probably just another $200,000 to Madonna's pocket. She probably earns that for singing two songs in every show. You can't compare her to Mariah cuz Mariah's whole career (hell, her whole life) depends on album sales and the charts. She really has nothing else going for her. Madonna has so much more going for her, in her career and private life. That said, 300,000 is pretty good in today's market. Plus she is stronger than anyone else in worldwide sales. I don't think Madonna will be disappointed with this. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 150k in the UK? yup, that's what they are looking at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bad Robot Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Nobody makes money from selling albums/singles. Just in my own brief, tiny music career, I've made more money from a handful of shows than I've made from all my CD sales. I think it's even more extreme for bigger artists. Record sales probably count for less than 10% of their income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimfanis Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I wasn't that far off I don't see anything wrong with her opening numbers. So she will sell 50000 less in her first week then with Confessions, big deal. I don't think people realize how HUGE Hung Up was all over the world including US. I'd be impressed if her sales are 700000 in the first week worldwide. Yeah, I think some people here didn't really appreciate how big COADF was for Madonna, even in the US. It was a big comercial and critical success even without a big radio hit. There is no way on earth Hard Candy will match COADF's opening numbers and it doesn't have to in order to be considered successful. HC is a great follow up to COADF. The first single is a big top-3 hit so far and first week sales of almost 300K are very-very respectable and within the expected range. Some TV appearances would have added about 50K more in my opinion which would be nice but not a big deal. Madonna is a veteran act. She is not above Oprah and AI but at the same time she doesn't need them to continue her legacy. Worldwide first week sales of about 700K would be great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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