s@ndz Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 that Madonna's GENIUS has, for good or bad, shaped our world... that THIS: led to this: which, in turn, led to these: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s@ndz Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 .. and these.. and ALL the countless rest that grace/pollute our screens right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s@ndz Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 and, of course, gave rise to the CAREERS of these bitches: .. among so MANY others like View host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.. the housewives.. etc etc... Hail Madonna, the Queen of Popular Culture, the Impresario Par Excellence... the giver of LIFE and a million livelihood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yep, it's clear that Madonna's impact gave bad ideas to some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 ^ The thing is, it's shows how some have a narrow view of what Madonna was trying to do and that goes for a lot of things in her career. It's amazing how some stars today are seen as inspired by Madonna but really just represent the view of a lot of the media and general public. On top of them being a shell of who Madonna is they are praised for it. Madonna doesn't discourage this though. She allows people to think whatever they want. Most people see what is on the surface and run with it. You have to look beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 and, of course, gave rise to the CAREERS of these bitches: .. among so MANY others like View host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.. the housewives.. etc etc... Hail Madonna, the Queen of Popular Culture, the Impresario Par Excellence... the giver of LIFE and a million livelihood! don't forget that kunt Snooki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 And this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Said this years ago about TOD, and there was an article on it a few years back, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s@ndz Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 ^ The thing is, it's shows how some have a narrow view of what Madonna was trying to do and that goes for a lot of things in her career. It's amazing how some stars today are seen as inspired by Madonna but really just represent the view of a lot of the media and general public. On top of them being a shell of who Madonna is they are praised for it. Madonna doesn't discourage this though. She allows people to think whatever they want. Most people see what is on the surface and run with it. If have to look beyond. Agree. Madonna and what she brings out are often too complex to digest, so people or the media just focus on what they think are the "obvious" aspects of her and her work and run with it. As a result, the "shallow" aspects of her efforts are remembered.In Truth or Dare, Madonna was, imo, exploring the concepts of voyeurism and self-mythologizing, which culminated in the Sex book. TOD was more than just a grab for (more) lucrative fame or infamy, unlike most of what reality tv "stars" are doing: first because Madonna didnt need the exposure as she was at the peak of her powers and fame, that she-- under her total control-- was actually doing something creative, and that she actually risked the corrosion of her superstar mystique. What baffles me, though, is why she's not credited at all for at least helping jumpstart what may be the most dominant pop culture zeitgeist of the early 21st century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejean Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Elton John did a similar documentary didn't he? I saw him talking about it on Piers Morgan. He said it was warts and all, he never mentioned Madonna being the inspiration, even though it's obvious she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensch Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 ^ The thing is, it's shows how some have a narrow view of what Madonna was trying to do and that goes for a lot of things in her career. It's amazing how some stars today are seen as inspired by Madonna but really just represent the view of a lot of the media and general public. On top of them being a shell of who Madonna is they are praised for it. Madonna doesn't discourage this though. She allows people to think whatever they want. Most people see what is on the surface and run with it. You have to look beyond. I agree and at the end of the day it's all a matter of taste. Some fun, great television has come from reality TV AS WELL as informative shows and shows that show true passion and skill of contestants etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I always thought 'An American Family' back on PBS in the 70s was the first reality show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Australia pioneered the reality TV series with Sylvania Waters, which debuted in 1992. It followed a bogan family with new found wealth for 6 months (pretty much like the last season of Rosanne). Noeline: Now I am serious; I am *not* spending $10000 a year on your education to get a report [card] like that. Son: Well send me to a different school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensch Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yes, it was and it caused a stir. However, it wasn't during an age where that was going to become the next medium for entertainment. Not until the early 90's when things drastically changed with technology and the video era and pretty much the peak and near end of pop fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Wade Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I highly doubt that Madonna would want to take the credit for playing a role in ushering in a medium that would give rise to the likes of the Paris Hilton's and Kim Kardashian's of this world. What do these "stars" have to say? They and others like them have zero talent,or anything intelligent or thought provoking to say! What are they bringing to the table? A big ass? Really? Truth Or Dare had something to talk about, it shined a light on homophobia, AIDS,and gay rights. It poked fun at celebrity and fame in an funny and intelligent way,it gave us an insight into the life of the most important female pop star of all time. Reality TV today offers very little in the way of intellectual nourishment, instead it offers up a depressing roster of nobodies, with no discernable talent,who believe that because they are married to a famous rapper and have a big ass that this entitles them to stardom. This is the very opposite of everything Madonna stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopherm Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 And this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blohan Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 that Madonna's GENIUS has, for good or bad, shaped our world... that THIS: led to this: which, in turn, led to these: As right as you may be, it' is not something to be proud of. Truth Or Dare was something revolutionary and groundbreaking, however it did not pave the way for great things but for mediocrity and shamefulness, like Keeping Up With The Kardashians. It's not Madonna's fault, people simply chose not to be elevated by it, but they dragged it down. It's like Miely Cyrus, that's not something to boast about, when madonna performed in underwaer, she had a pathos, a purpose. miley just does it because she is a tramp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s@ndz Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 As right as you may be, it' is not something to be proud of. Truth Or Dare was something revolutionary and groundbreaking, however it did not pave the way for great things but for mediocrity and shamefulness, like Keeping Up With The Kardashians. It's not Madonna's fault, people simply chose not to be elevated by it, but they dragged it down. It's like Miely Cyrus, that's not something to boast about, when madonna performed in underwaer, she had a pathos, a purpose. miley just does it because she is a tramp. Yes.. But, that's how it's always been in art, as in anything: a bad thing can spawn good and great things can spawn bad. We see that in architecture when the beauty and simplicity of Mies van der rohe's modernist masterpieces or Bauhaus structures "inspired" tons of banal Internationalist Style copycat buildings that defile much of the world. What's amazing (and frankly, something to be proud of) was/is Madonna's unparalleled ability to tap into a budding zeitgeist, if not actually igniting one. In fairness to reality tv shows, some (like the amazing race) are quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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