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And this is yet another example why I will not vote for this woman. Unfortunately, Chelsea is just as phony as her mother.

I do have to say she is making some pretty dumb moves right now, but many think she is starting to panic because its starting to look like 2008 all over again for her....

That being said I am STILL voting for Hillary if she is the nominee because I will vomit out my lungs if I have to live through a Cruz or Trump Presidency.

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I do have to say she is making some pretty dumb moves right now, but many think she is starting to panic because its starting to look like 2008 all over again for her....

always the bride maid never the bride. :rotfl: i hope so.

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And this is yet another example why I will not vote for this woman. Unfortunately, Chelsea is just as phony as her mother.

I realize Bernie is beloved here, and I am 100% FOR nationalized health insurance but the point this video is making is kind of, well, pointless. If people want to attack Hillary for changing positions and attacking a fellow Democrat (which she is not doing since Bernie isn't a Democrat, he's a self-avowed Socialist - and an Independent in the Senate), they should also attack Obama who turned on Hillary in 2008 and said we don't need an individual mandate for health care reform and then proceeded to win the Presidency and signed a mandate for health insurance into law.

Everyone acts like Hillary is some demon, but Obama's people used Republican tactics to attack her on universal health care, and she is certainly doing something similar to Bernie, but that's politics folks. It's not a sand box for kids. And even if Clinton or Bernie wins, we're not getting single payer health care before 2020. The Republicans are not in danger of losing the House until 2022. And they'll NEVER pass a law for socialized health care. So please continue getting your panties in a bunch about an issue which is dead on arrival in the U.S. Congress.

If you can vote, you basically have 2 choices: A Democratic President that will keep (and hopefully improve) the Affordable Care Act, or a GOP President that will dismantle it and take us back to what we had before. Good luck.

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If you can vote, you basically have 2 choices: A Democratic President that will keep (and hopefully improve) the Affordable Care Act, or a GOP President that will dismantle it and take us back to what we had before. Good luck.

Dismantle it and lord knows what else. AGAIN the thought of ANY of these republicans winning and getting the chance to nominate 1 or 2 people to the Supreme Court during their term scares the living shit out of me! Something that will have a negative effect on our country for a generation! But as long as some people get to sleep at night by voting for some no name who doesn't stand a chance in hell of ever winning taking votes away from whichever dem was nominated and pretty much giving them to Trump or Cruz.........

This election is no time to fuck around.

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Dismantle it and lord knows what else. AGAIN the thought of ANY of these republicans winning and getting the chance to nominate 1 or 2 people to the Supreme Court during their term scares the living shit out of me! Something that will have a negative effect on our country for a generation! But as long as some people get to sleep at night by voting for some no name who doesn't stand a chance in hell of ever winning taking votes away from whichever dem was nominated and pretty much giving them to Trump or Cruz.........

This election is no time to fuck around.

I totally agree. Reagan's (and Bush II's) appointments have given us Citizens United and a whole host of other dumb ass decisions. The Democrats are likely to take back the Senate and as long as we get the Presidency too, at least we can get some Supreme Court nominees. Lord knows we're not going to get a lot of Legislation through. If the GOP wins - it will likely be President Trump or Cruz (I personally don't think any of the others are viable right now) and they're the most extreme of the bunch.

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Well Hilary and Bernie are close to the internal issues, but when it comes to foreign policy? I used to like Hilary a lot but now that I am paying more attention she's too right for me, she is no Bill.

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I realize Bernie is beloved here, and I am 100% FOR nationalized health insurance but the point this video is making is kind of, well, pointless. If people want to attack Hillary for changing positions and attacking a fellow Democrat (which she is not doing since Bernie isn't a Democrat, he's a self-avowed Socialist - and an Independent in the Senate), they should also attack Obama who turned on Hillary in 2008 and said we don't need an individual mandate for health care reform and then proceeded to win the Presidency and signed a mandate for health insurance into law.

Everyone acts like Hillary is some demon, but Obama's people used Republican tactics to attack her on universal health care, and she is certainly doing something similar to Bernie, but that's politics folks. It's not a sand box for kids. And even if Clinton or Bernie wins, we're not getting single payer health care before 2020. The Republicans are not in danger of losing the House until 2022. And they'll NEVER pass a law for socialized health care. So please continue getting your panties in a bunch about an issue which is dead on arrival in the U.S. Congress.

If you can vote, you basically have 2 choices: A Democratic President that will keep (and hopefully improve) the Affordable Care Act, or a GOP President that will dismantle it and take us back to what we had before. Good luck.

Except that Trump's assurance, repeated again and again is that he will make sure every person in the country has health insurance, and that he will do it in a way that lowers rates for most Americans. And, he claims, he would do this in a way that actually lowers costs over the long term. Instead of the universal care he was touting in 2000 this new "radical reform" sounds like a suspiciously similar version of Obamacare (as it was promised). It's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything. Just trust me. It's going to be terrific :)

In order to help the poorest 25% of the population he'd "make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people." Which sounds a lot like Medicaid except most doctors don't accept it so he would presumably have to drive a harder bargain (either that or get Mexico to pay for it. :lol:)

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Except that Trump's assurance, repeated again and again is that he will make sure every person in the country has health insurance, and that he will do it in a way that lowers rates for most Americans. And, he claims, he would do this in a way that actually lowers costs over the long term. Instead of the universal care he was touting in 2000 this new "radical reform" sounds like a suspiciously similar version of Obamacare (as it was promised). It's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything. Just trust me. It's going to be terrific :)

In order to help the poorest 25% of the population he'd "make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people." Which sounds a lot like Medicaid except most doctors don't accept it so he would presumably have to drive a harder bargain (either that or get Mexico to pay for it. :lol:)

Trump has no plan. He has a few sentences which sound good in a debate but mean nothing in the real world. Even his website doesn't address health care.

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Well Hilary and Bernie are close to the internal issues, but when it comes to foreign policy? I used to like Hilary a lot but now that I am paying more attention she's too right for me, she is no Bill.

Bernie has virtually no foreign policy experience which is why at the last Democratic debate - when asked about the terrorist attacks in Paris - he proceeded to talk about global warming. I will agree that Hillary has always been a foreign policy hawk and she's probably less like Bill in that area. Although, Obama (while not an outright warmonger like Bush II) was still pretty hawkish in international affairs - he just did less noticeable stuff like drone strikes.

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Why are so many American people scared of universal health care ? Always reading about how so many don't want it. Never can understand why as health care should be an essential right for everyone - rich or poor.

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Why are so many American people scared of universal health care ? Always reading about how so many don't want it. Never can understand why as health care should be an essential right for everyone - rich or poor.

Because thanks to right wing media many are brainwashed.

They think universal healthcare would bring about long ass waiting periods to get treatment which could lead to their death, or that the government could decide to ration out healthcare to certain people. Let old people die and save the resources for the younger people and blah blah blah. All fear based bullshit.

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Because thanks to right wing media many are brainwashed.

They think universal healthcare would bring about long ass waiting periods to get treatment which could lead to their death, or that the government could decide to ration out healthcare to certain people. Let old people die and save the resources for the younger people and blah blah blah. All fear based bullshit.

Thanks Skin for the explanation. So sad that people feel that way. We have universal health care here but people also have private insurance as well if they wish. That means the ones that want to pay for private hospitals, private rooms etc get looked after but also that everyone has access to health care. The thought of someone not getting life saving operations and proper health care just because they are poor is something that I can't comprehend. Health and education should be a right for everyone. If you want the very best health care and education, they you pay for private schools and health insurance. Just the right thing to do for everyone.

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I realize Bernie is beloved here, and I am 100% FOR nationalized health insurance but the point this video is making is kind of, well, pointless. If people want to attack Hillary for changing positions and attacking a fellow Democrat (which she is not doing since Bernie isn't a Democrat, he's a self-avowed Socialist - and an Independent in the Senate), they should also attack Obama who turned on Hillary in 2008 and said we don't need an individual mandate for health care reform and then proceeded to win the Presidency and signed a mandate for health insurance into law.

Everyone acts like Hillary is some demon, but Obama's people used Republican tactics to attack her on universal health care, and she is certainly doing something similar to Bernie, but that's politics folks. It's not a sand box for kids. And even if Clinton or Bernie wins, we're not getting single payer health care before 2020. The Republicans are not in danger of losing the House until 2022. And they'll NEVER pass a law for socialized health care. So please continue getting your panties in a bunch about an issue which is dead on arrival in the U.S. Congress.

If you can vote, you basically have 2 choices: A Democratic President that will keep (and hopefully improve) the Affordable Care Act, or a GOP President that will dismantle it and take us back to what we had before. Good luck.

The difference is that Hillary is lying about Bernie's plan and using Chelsea to back up her lying. If she were telling the truth, then I would respect her. Kyle knocks it out of the park:

I don't think that Hillary is a demon at all. I just think that she is a typical, corrupt, lying, Wall Street-fed politician -- and that's really not much different than most any Republican or Democrat out there.

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Bernie has virtually no foreign policy experience which is why at the last Democratic debate - when asked about the terrorist attacks in Paris - he proceeded to talk about global warming. I will agree that Hillary has always been a foreign policy hawk and she's probably less like Bill in that area. Although, Obama (while not an outright warmonger like Bush II) was still pretty hawkish in international affairs - he just did less noticeable stuff like drone strikes.

It's not the first time either. He sees a link between global warming and terrorism:

At 4:00 in, he talks about his foreign policy positions:

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