side_streets Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Dear madonna fans, Madonna is not your spokesperson, she is hers. Fight your own battles and write your own speeches. True! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMoody Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Since when is it Madonna's responsibility to highlight every single world political injustice in a speech written with the intent at honoring one single man? The challenge was to eventually focus on Anderson Cooper, not "Madonna, tell us everything that is wrong with the world".....it is her speech and her viewpoint, she may be a politically-minded celebrity, but at the end of the day she is just a pop star giving a journalist an award, not a politician running for office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debord Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Since when is it Madonna's responsibility to highlight every single world political injustice in a speech written with the intent at honoring one single man? The challenge was to eventually focus on Anderson Cooper, not "Madonna, tell us everything that is wrong with the world".....it is her speech and her viewpoint, she may be a politically-minded celebrity, but at the end of the day she is just a pop star giving a journalist an award, not a politician running for office. Her speech had literally nothing to do with Anderson Cooper until the end. My point has been that her words inadvertently highlighted American hypocrisy. Despite what some idiots are trying to argue, nowhere did I say that it's her 'responsibility to highlight every single world political injustice'. I've mentioned very specific actions of an administration she, and GLAAD, vocally support which are comparable (or worse, in some cases) than the actions of American enemies she chose to highlight. I also said several times that I admire her political outspokenness, and indeed have written about it previously. But my rather mild criticism has certainly proved illuminating in terms of how some will tolerate absolutely zero criticism of M, which saddens me. She's speaking about serious issues, we should engage our brains and think about them and not just use them as ego boosts (for ourselves or for M). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 ^take your seat honey and relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopherm Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Wasn't everyone in this thread happy like 9 hours ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloane Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMoody Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Her speech had literally nothing to do with Anderson Cooper until the end. My point has been that her words inadvertently highlighted American hypocrisy. Despite what some idiots are trying to argue, nowhere did I say that it's her 'responsibility to highlight every single world political injustice'. I've mentioned very specific actions of an administration she, and GLAAD, vocally support which are comparable (or worse, in some cases) than the actions of American enemies she chose to highlight. I also said several times that I admire her political outspokenness, and indeed have written about it previously. But my rather mild criticism has certainly proved illuminating in terms of how some will tolerate absolutely zero criticism of M, which saddens me. She's speaking about serious issues, we should engage our brains and think about them and not just use them as ego boosts (for ourselves or for M). It is not about criticizing Madonna, believe me, I have been raked over the coals for that on this forum more than once.....it is about the fact that you are suggesting she neglected to spotlight an issue she may very well be ignorant to. We do not know what she does and does not know about the issues you cite....that is the main issue with celebrity political outspokeness...they are often one-sided and misinformed. One has to take them for what they are, popular figures with a platform and a chance to express their views. At the end of the day, it is just that, THEIR views, and even Madonna herself would want people to delve into the topic she only surfaced and educate themselves. She just opened the can, it isn't her job to pull out and discuss each crawling worm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I'm happy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debord Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 It is not about criticizing Madonna, believe me, I have been raked over the coals for that on this forum more than once.....it is about the fact that you are suggesting she neglected to spotlight an issue she may very well be ignorant to. We do not know what she does and does not know about the issues you cite....that is the main issue with celebrity political outspokeness...they are often one-sided and misinformed. One has to take them for what they are, popular figures with a platform and a chance to express their views. At the end of the day, it is just that, THEIR views, and even Madonna herself would want people to delve into the topic she only surfaced and educate themselves. She just opened the can, it isn't her job to pull out and discuss each crawling worm. Well that's exactly what I'm doing, isn't it? Discussing the issues she raised. As I said earlier, I think that's a good thing. My love for Madonna is in no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I'm glaad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpb4uthink Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I was happy and proud of M and the ceremony last night and now I'm depressed and pissed at the world for all the lack of political injustice in the world. Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I'm glaad. im glaader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lymon Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Loved her speech! She touched upon a lot of important issues, as usual, and her outfit was adorable. And she quoted Like it or Not, one of my favorite Madonna songs. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVC Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Her speech had literally nothing to do with Anderson Cooper until the end. My point has been that her words inadvertently highlighted American hypocrisy. Despite what some idiots are trying to argue, nowhere did I say that it's her 'responsibility to highlight every single world political injustice'. I've mentioned very specific actions of an administration she, and GLAAD, vocally support which are comparable (or worse, in some cases) than the actions of American enemies she chose to highlight. I also said several times that I admire her political outspokenness, and indeed have written about it previously. But my rather mild criticism has certainly proved illuminating in terms of how some will tolerate absolutely zero criticism of M, which saddens me. She's speaking about serious issues, we should engage our brains and think about them and not just use them as ego boosts (for ourselves or for M). sorry hun, check your address bar. you aren't at MadonnaTribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I rather have Madonna as a presenter than award winner from this organization. She used it very cleverly for the "secret project". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMoody Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 sorry hun, check your address bar. you aren't at MadonnaTribe So you are saying only mindless worship of Madonna is tolerated here and there is no room for intellegent discussion and debate? How very boring and un-Madonna that is. I am sure not everyone here feels the same. Just because you do not agree with what one member is saying does not take away their right to freely say and express it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fukujima Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Why's it so hard to love one another Why's it so hard to love What do I have to do to be accepted What do I have to say What do I have to do to be respected How do I have to play What do I have to look like to feel I'm equal Where do I have to go What club do I have to join to prove I'm worthy Who do I have to know I'm telling you brothers, sisters Why can't we learn to challenge the system Without living in pain Brothers, sisters Why can't we learn to accept that we're different Before it's too late Why's it so damn hard What do I have to learn to know what's right for me What do I have to know What am I going to do when I feel righteous Where do I have to go Who should get to say what I believe in Who should have the right What am I going to do with all this anger Why do I have to fight Bring your love, sing your love Wear your love, share your love Bring your love, sing your love Wear your love, show your sister how Brothers, sisters, what do I have to say Brothers, sisters, how do I have to play Brothers, sisters, who should have the right Brothers, sisters, why do I have to fight Why's it so hard to love one another Love your sister, love your brother Why's it so hard to love one another Why's it so hard to love Sing your love Share your love Love your brother now Show your sister how Love your brother now Show your sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 As always the press didn't get it. They tought that she dressed like a boy scout because it was her "child dream" They absolutely did not understand that she was making a big statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xanthium Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Omg did the press really think that?! Fucking morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 So you are saying only mindless worship of Madonna is tolerated here and there is no room for intellegent discussion and debate? How very boring and un-Madonna that is. I am sure not everyone here feels the same. Just because you do not agree with what one member is saying does not take away their right to freely say and express it. i dont want to speak to trev but i dont think thats what hes saying, at all. he can come correct me if im wrong. but... madonna awarded anderson cooper with the vito russo award at GLAAD. she came out, gave a great speech, made a statement and was just wonderful. why impose ones own agenda or ideas on her? why sit around and be so critical? it was just a nice moment in time. thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky guy Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Besides the fact that they hate her with a passion ... isn't the Daily Mail part of the Murdoch empire which also owns the NY Post which was denied a press pass for the event? See the pattern. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I love her outfit, hair and make-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMoody Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 i dont want to speak to trev but i dont think thats what hes saying, at all. he can come correct me if im wrong. but... madonna awarded anderson cooper with the vito russo award at GLAAD. she came out, gave a great speech, made a statement and was just wonderful. why impose ones own agenda or ideas on her? why sit around and be so critical? it was just a nice moment in time. thats all. Okay, I hope so....I got a bit nervous there for a second that an MNation form of the gestapo was forming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 No. what if we throw in some illuminati? would you see it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollhouse Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I love her cheeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Okay, I hope so....I got a bit nervous there for a second that an MNation form of the gestapo was forming! ha! certainly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I love her cheeks. Her basketball cheeks are practically gone. Her face looks perfect right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Her basketball cheeks are practically gone. Her face looks perfect right now! she reminds me of a punk rock Dietrich. shes truly fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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