Ai Papi Si. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Seriously if you want to put Madonna on a perfect person pedastal and pretend she's never said a bad word about someone then be a Toilet Swift fan BAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Seriously if you want to put Madonna on a perfect person pedastal and pretend she's never said a bad word about someone then be a Toilet Swift fan. Madonna herself would probably cringe at the thought of people portraying her as a saint. She had an opinion about other female artists. Doesn't make her the devil. Makes her a functioning human being. But going around pretending she's always "attacked first" and had never said anything mean is just ridiculous. .. no one said that. i don't know why whenever someone disagrees with someone else another person replies with something no one mentioned in the first place (at least from what I've seen here. ive not read every post in this topic..) i don't think anyone even disagrees with other fans here. we all have said she can be a bitch sometimes and love her for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster48 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ali Papi Si cut my wrist if I have to listen toilet swift my 12 year old and 8 nieces love her have to listen to that digusting album 1989 endlessly when iam around them they think she is the biggest superstar ever they don't know madonna so sad and depressing madonna is my inspiration her music is best ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 madonnas an entertainer. she is interpreted differently by different people ALL AROUND THE WORLD. she has millions of fans. this conversation is all a big joke. to even consider that we know whats she like or what she thinks is absolutely laughable and ridiculous. when i say shes a cunt (or c*** for those that cant write that word ), its via what she has exhibited and wanted us to see, at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 or rather, some people choose to see fans as very one dimensional. especially when theyve been a fan since 1983... This is so true on so many levels. Remember when I said Madonna planned the RH leaks? Remember the fucking flak I got? We've known her antics for too long. And anyone who still thinks the RH leaks wasn't planned is fucking stupid.Yes, she is a cunt. And we love her for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Star One Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The thought of Madonna coming in here and reading this thread! OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster48 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Madonna would love this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 or rather, some people choose to see fans as very one dimensional. especially when theyve been a fan since 1983... Wells let's be real, Madonna fans can be quite simple at times. Seriously if you want to put Madonna on a perfect person pedastal and pretend she's never said a bad word about someone then be a Toilet Swift fan. Madonna herself would probably cringe at the thought of people portraying her as a saint. She had an opinion about other female artists. Doesn't make her the devil. Makes her a functioning human being. But going around pretending she's always "attacked first" and had never said anything mean is just ridiculous. Yeah I don't know who said she was a saint, but it definitely wasn't me lol. She's very mischievous and fun. Yeah she has cunty moments. Reductive was one of them. But I think most if not all of her cunty moments are pretty warranted. Like in TOD, after she's given one of the best, if not THE best concerts of all time, someone just calls it "neat." Like really? Lol. It made sense for M to act cunty to him. Then there's the Mooriah situation. Let's be real, MooMoo really is simple, one dimensional, and stupid. I'd call her ass out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeye Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 uh what was this thread supposed to be about again?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 BAM. Nice to know someone agrees with me. Thought I was imagining the last few pages of constant defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 .. no one said that. i don't know why whenever someone disagrees with someone else another person replies with something no one mentioned in the first place (at least from what I've seen here. ive not read every post in this topic..) i don't think anyone even disagrees with other fans here. we all have said she can be a bitch sometimes and love her for it. So if everyone agrees what's the point of pages of garble then? I'm confused. I wasn't even the first person to bring up the word "Saint" hence why I used it in my post. Someone even called you guys the "Saint Brigade" which was funny. Only reason why I used the term in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VogueMusic Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Madonna simply tells it like it is. She doesn't bullshit. And if that makes her a "cunt", so be it. It's why she's survived while most of the rest have not...and why so many fans AND haters around the world still respond to her 30+ years later. She knows how this game is played...and she plays better than anyone else. Long live the "cunt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is so true on so many levels. Remember when I said Madonna planned the RH leaks? Remember the fucking flak I got? We've known her antics for too long. And anyone who still thinks the RH leaks wasn't planned is fucking stupid. Yes, she is a cunt. And we love her for it. That's ridiculous. People don't know the difference between Madonna empowering bitch which is basically any woman that dares speak her mind according to the society we live in. No no one here that I'm aware of knows Madonna on a personal level but I'm willing to bet not one of you would call Madonna that other awful term if she was communicating in this forum. You can't tell the difference between something that can be based on an attitude and something that is always meant to be degrading? I think I know enough to know she wouldn't be too pleased with someone calling her that. Of course going to the extreme and like Nikki said, saying things that no one said because I believe someone is hyping up something that is not true. That is not putting Madonna on a pedestal and why does that have to be explained? Just a few who like to hear themselves and their followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Madonna simply tells it like it is. She doesn't bullshit. And if that makes her a "cunt", so be it. It's why she's survived while most of the rest have not...and why so many fans AND haters around the world still respond to her 30+ years later. She knows how this game is played...and she plays better than anyone else. Long live the cunt. But that's just the point, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 That's ridiculous. People don't know the difference between Madonna empowering bitch which is basically any woman that dares speak her mind according to the society we live in. No no one here that I'm aware of knows Madonna on a personal level but I'm willing to bet not one of you would call Madonna that other awful term if she was communicating in this forum. You can't tell the difference between something that can be based on an attitude and something that is always meant to be degrading? I think I know enough to know she wouldn't be too pleased with someone calling her that. Of course going to the extreme and like Nikki said, saying things that no one said because I believe someone is hyping up something that is not true. That is not putting Madonna on a pedestal and why does that have to be explained? Just a few who like to hear themselves and their followers. Larkspur, I think the confusion in this thread is the use of the word "cunt" . I think that people have different interpretations of what it means or don't understand that a lot of women find it extremely offensive. I have always known it to be the lowest form of insult and always a misogynist put-down of women - usually by drunk men in my experience or offensive callers on the phone. I feel that a lot of people on the forum don't see it that way at all and to them it is another word for bitch. Maybe it also is not such a put down in other countries. So in that way of thinking, I never think of Madonna as a cunt at all. I never see her as a horrible nasty person with no ethics. I don't think she is a saint either and thank goodness for that. If someone called me a cunt to my face, I would be angry and insulted. I don't think men would have the same reaction. Because to me the word has a different meaning and is basically calling someone a dreadful low person with no redeeming qualities - as that is what I have always known it be interpreted as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 wtf is going on here. I'm too drunk on my carribean trip to care but y'all bitches were all like waaaaaa poor Mooriah because Madonna called her disposable shit and now I have no idea wtf is going on ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 wtf is going on here. I'm too drunk on my carribean trip to care but y'all bitches were all like waaaaaa poor Mooriah because Madonna called her disposable shit and now I have no idea wtf is going on ugh Ulizos, I don't think anyone is worrying about Mariah. Anyway, she has her billionaire boyfriend to protect her. Enjoy your holiday and party well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 omg jazzy I just met two 22 yo Aussie gays and they didn't recognize like a prayer. I've lost all faith in life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VogueMusic Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 But that's just the point, it doesn't. Of course it doesn't. But I think you missed my point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 omg jazzy I just met two 22 yo Aussie gays and they didn't recognize like a prayer. I've lost all faith in life Ulizos, I want to come over and slap them ! Maybe they are bogans who like Pink and rock music. Steer clear of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I took them to see the pink flamingos cuz the Aussies were sexy as hell and the second they were like um I don't know this song (like a prayer) I was like y'all need to leave I have am early flight and now I'm drunk at a bar with older people and a juke box enjoying Madonna and Donna summer (whom they confused with that one woman who sings it's raining men) the world is shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I took them to see the pink flamingos cuz the Aussies were sexy as hell and the second they were like um I don't know this song (like a prayer) I was like y'all need to leave I have am early flight and now I'm drunk at a bar with older people and a juke box enjoying Madonna and Donna summer (whom they confused with that one woman who sings it's raining men) the world is shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Lecter Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Like she said on Arsenio when he said she's a sweet girl IM NOT APOLOGISING CUNTDONNA Remains part of her charm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 So if everyone agrees what's the point of pages of garble then? I'm confused. I wasn't even the first person to bring up the word "Saint" hence why I used it in my post. Someone even called you guys the "Saint Brigade" which was funny. Only reason why I used the term in my post. sometimes people are just talking & adding in on the conversation & agreeing with others. at least that's where I was standing. I don't think whoever wrote the "saint brigade" was talking about me, he couldnt have. as I agreed with him. I think the only other thing I talked about was that theres a difference between being jealous/bitter like elton (and maybe M's a lil bitter after erotica tbh, but that was temporary) and acting sweet but only when the cameras are on which could imply to the taylor swifts and gagas of the world. or something silly like that. oh, and how it shows madonna is relevant in the same way as the pop girls of today because they get shit for speaking their mind, while singers like cher, mariah, and janet say something "shady" media portrays it as "comical" and everyone just has a laugh. anyway, it doesn't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Medoner Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The question was about "people." Wendy doesn't count. I fucking died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkspur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Larkspur, I think the confusion in this thread is the use of the word "cunt" . I think that people have different interpretations of what it means or don't understand that a lot of women find it extremely offensive. I have always known it to be the lowest form of insult and always a misogynist put-down of women - usually by drunk men in my experience or offensive callers on the phone. I feel that a lot of people on the forum don't see it that way at all and to them it is another word for bitch. Maybe it also is not such a put down in other countries. So in that way of thinking, I never think of Madonna as a cunt at all. I never see her as a horrible nasty person with no ethics. I don't think she is a saint either and thank goodness for that. If someone called me a cunt to my face, I would be angry and insulted. I don't think men would have the same reaction. Because to me the word has a different meaning and is basically calling someone a dreadful low person with no redeeming qualities - as that is what I have always known it be interpreted as. You sound like you made that up just for this conversation. I think people know exactly what it means and I also think wholeheartedly they couldn't give one ounce of a damn who it bother and I also think you know that. Talk about putting people on pedestals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples388 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 wtf is going on here. I'm too drunk on my carribean trip to care but y'all bitches were all like waaaaaa poor Mooriah because Madonna called her disposable shit and now I have no idea wtf is going on ugh Hunty I'm 100% sober and I agree with you. I don't know what to do sometimes about some jokers here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo64 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 So we all have differing opinions. Isn't that a given? Personally, I deplore the usage of "cunt" to describe any woman for the simple reason that it is derogatory and meant to be demeaning in nature. As a noun, it can be used to refer to a female body part, but it is also defined as a disparaging term used to refer to a woman or a term used to refer to a contemptible person, which M is not. I do, however, accept that the sensitivity and reaction to the usage of it will be subject to culture, geography, gender and perspective. So ... IF she was a "cunt" It's because she was blunt IF she was a "bitch" 'twas probably an itch IF she was "shady" On purpose? Maybe We may disagree on "evidence" we see Some may bend Some might offend Just don't demean She is the Queen!! Regarding people who blasted M and then backtracked, always good to hear about those who realized the folly of their words and changed their tune, whether it was with genuine intent or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 You sound like you made that up just for this conversation. I think people know exactly what it means and I also think wholeheartedly they couldn't give one ounce of a damn who it bother and I also think you know that. Talk about putting people on pedestals. Jan has always said how much she hates that word. No woman in their right mind should like it. Some men feel the need to use it because they lack respect. Not Jans problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 So we all have differing opinions. Isn't that a given? Personally, I deplore the usage of "cunt" to describe any woman for the simple reason that it is derogatory and meant to be demeaning in nature. As a noun, it can be used to refer to a female body part, but it is also defined as a disparaging term used to refer to a woman or a term used to refer to a contemptible person, which M is not. I do, however, accept that the sensitivity and reaction to the usage of it will be subject to culture, geography, gender and perspective. So ... IF she was a "cunt" It's because she was blunt IF she was a "bitch" 'twas probably an itch IF she was "shady" On purpose? Maybe We may disagree on "evidence" we see Some may bend Some might offend Just don't demean She is the Queen!! Regarding people who blasted M and then backtracked, always good to hear about those who realized the folly of their words and changed their tune, whether it was with genuine intent or not. Amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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