HolidayGuy Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Full list is on Spotify (sans tracks not on the music service)- there's a second Madonna entry, and it's... well, you can guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Like A Prayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 ^Tell the man what he's won. It's in the 41-50 range, but exact rank not yet known, as there are a couple of tracks in that range, not available on Spotify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 How predictable Who's #1? Let me guess: The Beatles (or Radiohead or Nirvana) Edit: I took a peak at the list and it's Nirvana... Glad to see a woman in the top 5 though (Donna Summer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qaz Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Full list is on Spotify (sans tracks not on the music service)- there's a second Madonna entry, and it's... well, you can guess. Great to know it is on Spotify. I will check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 How predictable Who's #1? Let me guess: The Beatles (or Radiohead or Nirvana) Edit: I took a peak at the list and it's Nirvana... Glad to see a woman in the top 5 though (Donna Summer) Typical list. One woman in the top 5, Nirvana, yawn. Please tell me Gags not on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Unless Stefani Gaga's music isn't on Spotify, none of her tracks appear. Among pop-female tracks, there's "Crazy in Love" and "Toxic" (ranked outside the top 75, but, it looks, in the top 100). The Beatles' final count isn't yet known (it has 10 accounted for thus far), but Blur and Davids Bowie comprise 5% of the list just between the two of them. Oasis has 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnasuperfan01 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Those lists are such a joke, SO safe and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Those lists are such a joke, SO safe and predictable. And blatantly sexist, but no one ever calls them on it. Oh well, Nme is nothing to take seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 nirvana.. it just isn't for me. to me it's like they only had one hit and even that isn't so damn good. i don't like screamers. most overrated band ever? (unless I'm missing something) how are they always so high up the lists? and its not just any list. they seem to rank high everywhere worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 No. 47 for LAP. Given that some of the most acclaimed acts around only have a handful (or less) entries, I wouldn't say it's "safe" or "predictable" from that perspective; perhaps for a British-based list to have so many Beatles, David Bowie, Blur, etc. entries... maybe it is in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictmachine Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Sorry, so nirvana has the greatest song of all time lol?!? What's it called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is one of the most ACCLAIMED tracks of all time, so no shocker to see it place that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 nirvana.. it just isn't for me. to me it's like they only had one hit and even that isn't so damn good. i don't like screamers. most overrated band ever? (unless I'm missing something) how are they always so high up the lists? and its not just any list. they seem to rank high everywhere worldwide. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is one of the most ACCLAIMED tracks of all time, so no shocker to see it place that well. Yeah, but why? I also never got the acclaim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictmachine Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Acclaimed by who? Aging grungers from the 90s? Nirvana isn't my cup of tea, but regardless I can appreciate the artistic merit of things that I don't necessarily like. But calling that the greatest song of all time?!? Calling it a song is a even a stretch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I like Nirvana's music, but they definitely dominate these lists too often. I tend to prefer Hole to Nirvana because Courtney Love is such a crazy punk ruck bitch with a big mouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I like Nirvana's music, but they definitely dominate these lists too often. I tend to prefer Hole to Nirvana because Courtney Love is such a crazy punk ruck bitch with a big mouth! Hell yes! She's a better lyricist too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictmachine Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Uh yeah, there are a lot of songs by Hole that are far more legendary to me than Smells Like Teen Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I know this is going to sound cynical and awful but if Kurt Cobain had not tragically died so young, I doubt that Nirvana would still be be thought of so well. For the people that truly loved them maybe, but I don't think they would be thought of as legends. This happens a lot with superstars who die young. Their fans never see them get old or become less popular. A lot of writers loved the grunge music from the 90's and see Nirvana as the best band of all time. Just the way it is with a lot of these lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictmachine Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Totally agree! Just another addict-turned-martyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Well said. These lists are probably just made up by a bunch of hipster dudes wanking over the bands they have always had fanboy hardons for while banishing all the great women of music to a single track or NONE. Siouxsie will lose to the Cure, Kate Bush will lose to Peter Gabriel, Hole to Nirvana etc etc. Fight the patriarchy motherfuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) I picked up a copy off the shelf to read in a shop waiting for a train yesterday and their opening line explaining why "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was their Number One Greatest Song Ever was because "Nirvana defined a generation". They didn't - they defined the experiences of (largely) straight white boys (and even then only some) growing up in their early 90s. For other groups Biggie and Tupac and the Spice Girls and TLC and yes, Madonna defined that generation, except of course it's only ever the experiences of straight white men that get elevated to the level of the universal. That get to speak for everyone. And now it's those people who are in the position as music journalists in their thirties to exclaim their subjective teenage opinions as Facts. Just like straight white male baby boomers had a stranglehold over the music press for decades and so could solidify a canon that had The Beatles at the top because they grew up with them, with women and minorities tokenised at best and vilified at worst if they stepped out of line (disco, Madonna for a good half of her career). Seriously, fuck pandering for crumbs from such a fucked up biased system. Getting excited every time she's a token female placed somewhere in the Top 50 or if maybe even Top 20 of a list full of white rock dudes (and has a woman ever been number one on these kinds of lists ever?) as if it means anything. It's embarrassing. Have you learnt nothing from Madonna? Her whole career has been about her sticking a middle finger up to this sort of oppressive orthodoxy. We should do the same. The good news at least is that with the rise of the internet and the increased plurality of voices heard and music available the less these attempts at Canon building matter to people. NME's sales sinking like a lead balloon year on year are the proof. Edited February 8, 2014 by Nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samo Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'm a big Nirvana fan as well, but let's face except for gay or bi men, MOST men do not listen to female artists. And since most men are straight... Men can't really relate to female singers, they may pay attention if the female singer is "hot", but they could really care less about their actual MUSIC With male singers, both men AND women appreciate and listen to them I've known plenty of women who loved hard rock, heavy metal and rap music. If you're a guy and your into the female pop genre 9 times out of 10 you're gay or bi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Even before Cobain's untimely demise, Nirvana's music was much acclaimed on best-of lists and such. But, I also think that when an act passes on so young, it adds to the mystique/the legacy- it happened with other acts who also passed on at age 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Funny how it's acceptable for women to listen to male artists but men feel they can't listen to female artists. Anyone want to guess why? Sexism just maybe? Even aside from that that the problem is the guys who make these listens can't see beyond their own biases. They don't listen to many female artists because they can't relate to them (which is a bullshit reason in itself), and so just go on and think men's music is Objectively Better. I wouldn't have an issue if they were just outright honest and call these lists "The Greatest Rock Songs by Men" ever - it's the bullshit of claiming itself to be a universal list (where's the jazz? the country? the metal? the dance?) and shoehorning in a few whitewashed token minorities for their own comfort. (I also have to laugh that the highest ranked female entry was "I Feel Love" and they spent the entire article talking about how influential it was for Daft Punk. Can't even give credit to a woman without talking about how it's been important to men). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It's not just males who make these lists; there are female critics who take part in best-of lists, too. But, it's a man's world, so they say, thus they dominate most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Funny how it's acceptable for women to listen to male artists but men feel they can't listen to female artists. Anyone want to guess why? Sexism just maybe? Even aside from that that the problem is the guys who make these listens can't see beyond their own biases. They don't listen to many female artists because they can't relate to them (which is a bullshit reason in itself), and so just go on and think men's music is Objectively Better. I wouldn't have an issue if they were just outright honest and call these lists "The Greatest Rock Songs by Men" ever - it's the bullshit of claiming itself to be a universal list (where's the jazz? the country? the metal? the dance?) and shoehorning in a few whitewashed token minorities for their own comfort. (I also have to laugh that the highest ranked female entry was "I Feel Love" and they spent the entire article talking about how influential it was for Daft Punk. Can't even give credit to a woman without talking about how it's been important to men). Everything you wrote in these two posts was spot on. You are 100 percent correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samo Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I remember being in high school when Britney came out and was big. A lot of guys in my class thought she was smoking hot and were talking about her, I has just heard about her and asked the guys "What songs does she sing"? They all looked at me and started laughing and saying "Who cares, look at her"! Another guy said sarcasticly "she sings"? And they were like "As long as she shakes her tits and ass it's great, maybe one day she can do porn or she'll make a great stripper, it's not like she's a real artist". That's how 90% of straight men think of female singers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I remember being in high school when Britney came out and was big. A lot of guys in my class thought she was smoking hot and were talking about her, I has just heard about her and asked the guys "What songs does she sing"? They all looked at me and started laughing and saying "Who cares, look at her"! Another guy said sarcasticly "she sings"? And they were like "As long as she shakes her tits and ass it's great, maybe one day she can do porn or she'll make a great stripper, it's not like she's a real artist". That's how 90% of straight men think of female singers No its not! Thats how 90% of idiots think of female singers We need to get over this myth that only gay men like female singers, Madonna in particular, all it is doing is giving into the critics that try and undermine her talent and her appeal to men and women alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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