johnnox Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Who cares? Lets close this thread. You must have missed the last six pages of people caring and expressing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Well 3 of those pages were Gugu not understanding what avant garde means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnox Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Well 3 of those pages were Gugu not understanding what avant garde means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Exactly. Splitting hairs about that shit. Hence close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnox Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Don't like? Don't read. Why does it bother you so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Debating whether Hard Candy is ahead of time or not is fine. To turn the thread into a debate about the meaning of avant garde is why it should be closed. Anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 the answer is no close the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnox Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 I didn't realise we just closed threads for the hell of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 No, nothing ahead of its time about this album. That usually applies to music that wasn't widely done, at least in the mainstream, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Ha ha, that was me who mentioned avante guard on page one:) Anyhoo, i was listening to Hard Candy tonight whilst plebbing about, and I concur it is still not ahead of it's time! It's by no means a terrible album, just not up there with her best. If she got rid of Incredible, Miles Away and 4 vomits to save the world, it would be a more cohesive and enjoyable album. Goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannylex Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 ^ Incredible is the best track on the album. I love a Hard Candy always generates these polarizing opinions and hot debates, when will the other albums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Incredible is glorious, the best thing she's done in years !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocalism Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Debating whether Hard Candy is ahead of time or not is fine. To turn the thread into a debate about the meaning of avant garde is why it should be closed. Anyway... Nice to know you're the arbiter of what's "fine." The thread is about something being "ahead of its time," which is interpreted by many as "avant garde." I love it when people get all frustrated when others elevate a discussion to a more intellectual level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm tempted to make a 'Was Mr Peabody's Apple's' ahead of its time' thread. But I think those parody threads have gotten old now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Incredible is glorious, the best thing she's done in years !!!!!!!! Flop, Grandma pussy telling us her sex is incredible, genius! Maybe we can ask GU if those lyrics are avante guard:) as now all Grandmas of the world will be telling us their sex is incredible:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcutter Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Nice to know you're the arbiter of what's "fine." The thread is about something being "ahead of its time," which is interpreted by many as "avant garde." I love it when people get all frustrated when others elevate a discussion to a more intellectual level. I don't think I'm an arbiter of anything. I'm not frustrated either. No need to be narky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocalism Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I don't mind Incredible, but I think it should have ended earlier. That last minute where she's just shouting "incredible!" is pretty...unincredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erotica blu Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Is this a real person or a model? I believe CANDY SHOP is the best song from the HARD CANDY sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Models are not real people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erotica blu Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Models are not real people? Models don't generally post at Madonna Nation. No matter how many model photos we all have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Models don't generally post at Madonna Nation. No matter how many model photos we all have. What about that guy that called everyone pieces of shit or whatever for doubting the fake Anna. Pretty sure he's a model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 ^ That pic is of Johnno when he was young.......thirty odd years ago Oh and NO it wasn't. Now shut this thread, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Hard Candy was the turning point in her career in the UK. Although 4 Minutes was huge, by the time Miles Away came out, Radio 1 had abandoned her and there seemed a notable shift away from her. Celebration only got airplay once it charted in the top ten and from then on, Radio 1 has decided to focus on younger artists. Same with U2 though. By the time MA came out, she had turned 50 and in a sense divorced herself from not only her husband at the time, but her lifestyle of the previous 10 years. She was back in NYC more, rumors of fucking an American baseball player, adopting a more "American" sound. I don't think it's as simple as "the UK abandoned her b/c she divorced Guy Ritchie", BUT I firmly believe that EVERYTHING surrounding that situation dented her image in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh76 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 "Miles Away" is my favorite song on the album.I'd love to hear more stuff like that from Madonna....melodic,heartfelt,and breezy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocalism Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 By the time MA came out, she had turned 50 and in a sense divorced herself from not only her husband at the time, but her lifestyle of the previous 10 years. She was back in NYC more, rumors of fucking an American baseball player, adopting a more "American" sound. I don't think it's as simple as "the UK abandoned her b/c she divorced Guy Ritchie", BUT I firmly believe that EVERYTHING surrounding that situation dented her image in the UK. How do you explain the 15 years of chart dominance in the UK before she met Guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacHarris Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I love a Hard Candy always generates these polarizing opinions and hot debates, when will the other albums? Never, because they are lessors. HC > every'thannnnnn. The real question is, Will Madonna step her game up because of Hard Candy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocalism Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Erotica, AL, and BS -- all superior albums on every level -- have all generated just as many polarizing opinions, if not more. The ones who think HC is one of her best albums are in the clear minority. All you have to do it look at one of the "rank Madonna's albums" threads. It's become one of the most disliked Madonna albums ever and despite attempts like this thread, I just don't see it becoming beloved/respected the way Erotica and even AL have. I have to add that I don't think it's a bad album by any means, and there are a bunch of great tracks/ideas on it. But overall it's one of her weaker efforts in a career filled with pretty damn great albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shine Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 HC is clearly musically underrated, the artwork really killed it. I've read some intersting comments on how Candy Shop had been taken to another lever thanks the MDNA tour. I guess seeing M perform this song with that classy outfit had a better effect than what she wore on the album cover or on the SST opening number... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vocalism Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Well, I much prefer the MDNA version of CS (and the S&S version for that matter) and it has nothing to do with her outfits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 How do you explain the 15 years of chart dominance in the UK before she met Guy? Thank you! Or Celebration becoming a Top 3 hit a year AFTER the divorce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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