acko Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Basically...poor Joan is still the housekeeper in her bio 5O yrs later My point is, this almost went unnoticed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I always have had the feeling that madonna was really hard on Joan, I mean, is not her mother, but after 50 years with her father...and for me it was weird that madonna talked about thyat, I´m sure she´s not happy with it (as when she outed her brother without his permission, I think).By the way, who would have thought that Joan was the inspiration behinad PDP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 she said she went away and had THE BABY and then came back. im still in shock that she said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples388 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 JOAN GUSTAFSON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or is she referring 2 the first half-breed Ciccone? Did she come back WITH a baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples388 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm not Joan of Gustaf Not yet But I'm up the duff Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai Papi Si. Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acko Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Apples388 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I can't be your housekeeper Right now Even widows with a kid can Break down I'm not Joan of Ciccone Not yet I'm only pregnant..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonoka Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VogueMusic Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I can't be your housekeeper Right now Even widows with a kid can Break down I'm not Joan of Ciccone Not yet I'm only pregnant..... :dead: :lmao: Never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It seems like she's had a disagreement with her dad. When Howard mentioned that her father raised her M said "hmmm not really" anyone else pick up on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam3000 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It seems like she's had a disagreement with her dad. When Howard mentioned that her father raised her M said "hmmm not really" anyone else pick up on that She said 'Hmmm...yeah, yeah. When he wasn't working'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 She said 'Hmmm...yeah, yeah. When he wasn't working'. well, but was normal back then, right? even now, if one of the parents is working...it´s impossible to be in two different places at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 well, but was normal back then, right? even now, if one of the parents is working...it´s impossible to be in two different places at the same time! Exactly the man had 8 kids to look after. Just because he worked a lot doesn't mean he didn't raise her. At the beginning of the interview she made sure to state that just because she works hard and has nannies doesn't mean she doesn't raise her kids. It seemed rather negative towards her Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Back then (and still now) prepubescent kids of poorer backgrounds were pretty much given responsibilities to cook, clean and look after siblings. Especially if you were a girl. I think why Madonna was hesitant to agree with Howard was because she she missed out on emotional side of nurturing that her father couldn't provide and which she expected would have come from her mother had she lived. I mean, she spelt it out in the interview that her father was closed off emotionally. When she was challenged herself about the nannies raising her kids she shot back about how she provides the love, nurturing and wisdom for them to aspire to be secure and successful - something they can't give, showing her thoughts on what raising kids is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Back then (and still now) prepubescent kids of poorer backgrounds were pretty much given responsibilities to cook, clean and look after siblings. Especially if you were a girl. I think why Madonna was hesitant to agree with Howard was because she she missed out on emotional side of nurturing that her father couldn't provide and which she expected would have come from her mother had she lived. I mean, she spelt it out in the interview that her father was closed off emotionally. When she was challenged herself about the nannies raising her kids she shot back about how she provides the love, nurturing and wisdom for them to aspire to be secure and successful - something they can't give, showing her thoughts on what raising kids is about. Very true. I never thought of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdna2012 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This discussion made me flash back to listening to Mother & Father: My Mother died when I was fiveAnd all I did was sit and cryI cried and cried and cried all dayUntil the neighbors went awayThey couldn't take my lonelinessI couldn't take their phoninessMy Father had to go to workI used to think he was a jerkI didn't know his heart was brokenAnd not another word was spokenHe became a shadow ofThe father I was dreaming ofI made a vow that I would never needAnother person everTurned my heart into a cageA victim of a kind of rage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Or is she referring 2 the first half-breed Ciccone? Did she come back WITH a baby? i think thats what happened!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah, I never took it as an abortion either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDareUBambi Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I love how Howard asked her flat out if she hated Joan and Madonna was blown back. She didn't say she did but she basically gave an answer to explain why she hated her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I stumbled upon this while looking for something else. From Q interview in 2003 Because when I was growing up there was always a lot of death around me. My mother died, my uncle died, my grandfather died, all in a really short space of time. My father re-married and had a child with my step-mother, and that child died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I stumbled upon this while looking for something else. From Q interview in 2003 Because when I was growing up there was always a lot of death around me. My mother died, my uncle died, my grandfather died, all in a really short space of time. My father re-married and had a child with my step-mother, and that child died Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 This too from Times interview in september 2003, not related to the topic but i don't know where else to put it : We start talking about 9/11 and she says that her business manager was killed in the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I still need a bit of clarification on this. Madonna said Joan went away and had a child with another man. So did she have an abortion or what? Do you reckon this child is one of the half siblings? I'm so confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_On_Her Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 In those days women who fell pregnant by accident out of wedlock gave the baby up for adoption. Joan more than likely went away while pregnant so no one knew. this was common practice back in the day. totally barbaric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnelly Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) joan definitely had a wild night - got preggo - went to a nunnery to have the kid which was given up for adoption - and came back good as new Edited April 13, 2015 by madonnelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeye Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 all this misinformation is what u get when u diddle the nanny, lol its all very prince charge & camille if u ask me. There is only one mother - and thats Madonna's mother -- Madonnna. bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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