Who's That Boy Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Any word on video release at this point? I think a #1 on Club Play is almost assured which is more icing on the dominance she has there. I agree with moe though - from here on out, I expect all future singles to struggle on radio in the US. No Pop/Rhythmic station is rushing to play a 50-year old's new music. Cher's 'Believe' was a fluke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 It's all Oakenfold's fault. The production of Celebration is so tired and boring that he should be laughed out of his profession for calling it cutting-edge. Mark Kamins could have made a track more fresh and modern. True. I don't know why the BB remix was not released as the first single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutrocks Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 True. I don't know why the BB remix was not released as the first single. I don't think it's radio friendly. And it misses a verse that really brings the song out more. It's a cool mix though. Just don't see it being a song people would enjoy as much as the original mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 so it´s aoakenfold´s fault? she doesn´t have anything to say about her own work? anyway, I can´t understand why some people changed from "the best thing since..." to "pure shit" in only a years. Still, I think she cares about charts, and she´s going to do some promo... Her singing is fine. The melody is fine. The lyrics are fine. The production is amateurish and dull. Oakenfold is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 i think her biggest flops have already occurred when they didnt chart anywhere. you know which ones they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yummy Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Lets save the flop talk after the video release...It's too early to count it out just yet. Always with a new M video, the single peaks to new heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest waiting Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I'm not even going to keep my hopes up for the video of Celebration nor Revolver. I suspect it is going to be a half-assed job... I mean really now when was that last time she had a decent video? The videos will probably be GITM or Get Together quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thehiltonsuite Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Revolver should have been released instead.......espically in the US. This is not something that you'd hear on the radio here. And the producer should have been MIRWAIS! Okenfold was NOT a good choice. There was nothing innovative about Celebration. It's a good song and has a good melody, but he didn't do it justice. And Madonna is not promoting her albums as much as she should. She used to be a master at promotion. True, more money is being made on the tour and record sales are in a slump, but it's really more important than that. Even IF nobody is making as much money it DOES MATTER if you're #1 on the charts. Money aside, it makes you relevant! Is Madonna so money hungry that she doesn't care?? I'm hoping she'll promote better when she goes to LiveNation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutrocks Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I think people forget TOURING is the ultimate promotion for any artist. However for Madonna it's become her main bread and butter, so it only makes sense if her career focuses on touring, rather putting in so much effort in pushing an album where much of the outlets where she can promote on, do not really play her music or feature her anymore. I do have to laugh at the comments where some think Madonna was the "master of promotion". Between her peak years between '85 throughout the early '90's, all she had to is fart and people were all over her. She rarely did appearances and never did a live performance on TV with the exception of a couple of MTV performances, but she's done more since then. In fact, it was the release of "Ray of Light" when I really saw Madonna doing some heavy promotion for an album, by making many appearances on TV and actually performing. Before that, radio was much more willing to play her music. Her days of rolling around on the stage to generate interest or making a sexual provocative video or pissing off some conservatives are pretty much over. People expect her to cause controversy, so it's less of an impact if she does. If anything, I think she's done much more promotion this decade than any other decade previously. She really needn't to do much promotion on her part in the past because her videos and music were welcomed in the popular music outlets such as radio and video stations. Today, the promotion is needed, but it's quite a no brainer to me... spending money on promoting an album in a dying music market or MAKING money from a huge tour? I'm sorry, but I'd pick "making money"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest seancannon Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 back to work everybody....lunch break is over. We have more important things to be concerned about!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SoUnusual Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 The Video has not been RELEASED! It will be huge once released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherish Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Yeah, I'd wait for the video before condemning it to the scrapheap! The song ain't as bad as some people here think, and U.S radio in particular don't play Madonna songs(at least the Top 40 stations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SuperPop Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I really dont care about US..it was always meant to flop there.. I still maintain the belief that it will be huge everywhere else... and it is quite ironic that this thread has started and been supported by all the haters of the song... we should wait and see...its TOO early to say anything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Yup, it's already shaping up to be an EPIC this release has been. Oh and it won't go to no 1 in the UK either :vanitybonet: - top 5 at most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voguerista Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yup, it's already shaping up to be an EPIC this release has been. Oh and it won't go to no 1 in the UK either :vanitybonet: - top 5 at most You sure have a strange sense of what's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Er, I'm laughing at the gross mishandling of this which seems to be heading to flopsville. Talk about reading things literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutrocks Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Er, I'm laughing at the gross mishandling of this which seems to be heading to flopsville. Talk about reading things literally So would you prefer Voguer and everyone else to read everything you post with inaccuracy and as an exaggeration?? Because I guess that is what you're asking here when you call someone out for taking your comment too "literal"? But I assume Voguer is keen on knowing that about anything you post, pretty much is expressed in a negative and exaggerated fashion. After all, it would be so boring to actually read anything anyone says with accuracy and without exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Oh here we go again For someone so pious and holier-than-thou, you sure are fond of confrontation. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and practice what you preach and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voguerista Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Look, you are the one who has her song flopped and even before a video release. What's more, you laugh about it. If you don't want "confrontation" or people to misinterpret you, then find a way of expressing yourself more clearly without the negativity, hatefulness, and laughing at her. Adding: And I am and I'd be proud to be a "holier than thou" fan versus a negative, hateful "write her off" fan anyday. So, if that's suppose to be an insult, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songkaiwen Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Just read that when M is with Live Nation, WB will be handling her promotion on Wikipedia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graffitiheart Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 i think Celebration will define new levels of flop, 1st lead single to not even make it to the top 40...but i guess we've been prepared for that in the last years and should not come as a surprise, we have had major flops like american life singles and any other non-leading single. We better get used to enjoy the music and forget the charts! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutrocks Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Look, you are the one who has her song flopped and even before a video release. What's more, you laugh about it. If you don't want "confrontation" or people to misinterpret you, then find a way of expressing yourself more clearly without the negativity, hatefulness, and laughing at her. Adding: And I am and I'd be proud to be a "holier than thou" fan versus a negative, hateful "write her off" fan anyday. So, if that's suppose to be an insult, it's not. I couldn't have said it any better myself! It's just amazing how some of us are cast as "holier than thou" and "confrontational" just because we are sick of the constant negativity from people. And yes, if that means some interpret me as being more superior than them than it's safe to say I probably am. I rather be appreciative than always being negative and bitchy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reQuiem4adream Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 You're all acting as if it was a first flop single from Madonna. Get over it! Revolver will end up the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The thing that surprises me is not that radio isn't playing it (did we expect it to be a smash?) but that it's flopping on iTunes too. I knew it wasn't going to have 4 Minutes' level of success on there but figured Hung Up's level was attainable, especially since downloading is a bigger deal now than it was in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest waiting Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The thing that surprises me is not that radio isn't playing it (did we expect it to be a smash?) but that it's flopping on iTunes too. I knew it wasn't going to have 4 Minutes' level of success on there but figured Hung Up's level was attainable, especially since downloading is a bigger deal now than it was in 2005. Hung up is a far better song than Celebrate - that is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Loving it more each day! Cute little gem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketchup Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Mosy likely yes! But oh well.. I like it! To be frank most the future of Madonna's songs will all most be flops, gots nothing to do with the musci, just her age and where the shitty state of music is in the usa! I'm waiting to see how this plays out. If she doesn't really try to promote this song then it's on her really. I don't think she really cares. There is like zero promotion so far everyone who knows the song exists has probably bought it or downloaded it already and that's why it's plummeting. So I'm just waiting for something to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hung up is a far better song than Celebrate - that is why. I suppose 4 Minutes is better than both of them using this logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think people forget TOURING is the ultimate promotion for any artist. However for Madonna it's become her main bread and butter, so it only makes sense if her career focuses on touring, rather putting in so much effort in pushing an album where much of the outlets where she can promote on, do not really play her music or feature her anymore. I do have to laugh at the comments where some think Madonna was the "master of promotion". Between her peak years between '85 throughout the early '90's, all she had to is fart and people were all over her. She rarely did appearances and never did a live performance on TV with the exception of a couple of MTV performances, but she's done more since then. In fact, it was the release of "Ray of Light" when I really saw Madonna doing some heavy promotion for an album, by making many appearances on TV and actually performing. Before that, radio was much more willing to play her music. Her days of rolling around on the stage to generate interest or making a sexual provocative video or pissing off some conservatives are pretty much over. People expect her to cause controversy, so it's less of an impact if she does. If anything, I think she's done much more promotion this decade than any other decade previously. She really needn't to do much promotion on her part in the past because her videos and music were welcomed in the popular music outlets such as radio and video stations. Today, the promotion is needed, but it's quite a no brainer to me... spending money on promoting an album in a dying music market or MAKING money from a huge tour? I'm sorry, but I'd pick "making money"!! I'm always puzzled when I hear fans say things like she never promotes anymore or like she used to etc. I guess because the Madonna I remember never promoted at all. Sending the song to radio and the video to MTV WAS her promotion. Those damn fans who hopped on board during ROL/Music trying to rewrite history....Madonna created musical genres, promoted 24/7 and was a REAL ARTIST who didn't bother singing about something as pesky and petty as HAVING A GOOD TIME AND DANCING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeMo Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I couldn't have said it any better myself! It's just amazing how some of us are cast as "holier than thou" and "confrontational" just because we are sick of the constant negativity from people. And yes, if that means some interpret me as being more superior than them than it's safe to say I probably am. I rather be appreciative than always being negative and bitchy!! Aren't you sick of derailing every single thread with this idiocy? Shut the fuck up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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