Madonna ignores her Aussie legions

[Carta]

Oh, lighten up Carta - things aren't that bad! I'm sorry you feel under attack; please be assured I don't have any ill will towards you. But my point (which I agree I could have made more tactfully) is that Madonna doesn't have to play at cricket grounds; she can use other stadiums. In fact, most stadium concerts these days are at places like Telstra Dome and Olympic Park, not cricket grounds. Telstra Dome and Olympic Park didn't even exist in 1993! That's all my point is - yes, there may have been controversy over damaged cricket pitches in 1993, but that's not relevant in 2008. 'Cricket pitches' have nothing to do with her excluding us from tours.

Ipex, that's fine! It just seems that every time I post something, no matter what it is, people jump on me and I'm not really sure why. I've repeatedly said that Madonna doesn't *owe* us a tour, but we REALLY *deserve* one, yet I'm apologising for her. I'm not the only one who said that sporting fixtures make it difficult for large tours to happen in Australia in December, yet I'm the one who gets pounced on (I think Robbie Williams was the last big artist to tour in December). It doesn't really matter, but I do wonder why people feel the need to get all worked up over my comments and be blunt and rude when I never respond to anyone else in a similar fashion.

Ipex, this isn't directed at you personally - it's just a general observation Contrary to popular belief, I don't defend Madonna "blindly" - she just doesn't tend to do much that I have a real issue with. If that makes me a loon or an apologist, then so be it I prefer to save my passion for her work, rather than criticise her actions (or lack thereof). Most people aren't like that, but does it really matter?

[Camacho]

Sunday Telegraph

By Jonathon Moran

May 18, 2008 12:00am

Maddie on again

DESPITE reports that Madonna won't be heading our way this year, industry rumours emerged last week that the Material Girl may be planning a trip in November - when she will be 50 - to promote her latest album, Hard Candy.

Madonna is yet to confirm or deny any of the whispers, although it's believed that if she comes, she'll be bringing her collaborator on Hard Candy, Justin Timberlake.

She hasn't toured Australia since 1993 when she brought her Girlie Show here.

[Guest bluejean]

In the middle of a US tour. I doubt that.

[Mad_On_Her]

I would only believe that if a promoter had said something, and as you say November is out of the question Madonna is touring America and Mexico then. If Madonna was keen/interested in touring Australia she would have said something by now. Instead Madonna says shes interested in touring here just before her album is launched so we will all go out and buy it. Well, it didn't work for me I didn't buy it so up yours bitch hehehehe

[Carta]

I would only believe that if a promoter had said something, and as you say November is out of the question Madonna is touring America and Mexico then. If Madonna was keen/interested in touring Australia she would have said something by now. Instead Madonna says shes interested in touring here just before her album is launched so we will all go out and buy it. Well, it didn't work for me I didn't buy it so up yours bitch hehehehe

And you wonder why some non-Aussies don't think she owes us a tour

[Mad_On_Her]

And you wonder why some non-Aussies don't think she owes us a tour

Look I've tried to be as polite to you as possible but I really feel like telling you to fuck off. You really come across as being a total tool Carta.

[Guest sab81]

Look I've tried to be as polite to you as possible but I really feel like telling you to fuck off. You really come across as being a total tool Carta.

[ipex]

Look I've tried to be as polite to you as possible but I really feel like telling you to fuck off. You really come across as being a total tool Carta.

I have to agree with this. Sorry Carta, I'm sure you're nice enough in your own way, but you're really quite annoying in this thread - and you have quite a good dose of victim mentality about you, to boot.

BTW, is your name Rennie by any chance?

[Carta]

Look I've tried to be as polite to you as possible but I really feel like telling you to fuck off. You really come across as being a total tool Carta.

"As polite as possible"? I dispute that.

You gleefully declared that you didn't buy HC even though Madonna tried to trick you into buying it with her false promises of touring here ("up yours" etc.) yet you get upset when people declare that Australians are idiots for thinking that they deserve a tour. Last time she skipped us, you said that her shows were pathetic anyway and that it probably wouldn't be worth it (upsetting a lot of people in the process). You can't have it both ways. At least try to be consistent. You either want her to tour and will go to the concerts and buy her material or you don't like her and will move on.

[Carta]

You took your time chiming in

[Carta]

I have to agree with this. Sorry Carta, I'm sure you're nice enough in your own way, but you're really quite annoying in this thread - and you have quite a good dose of victim mentality about you, to boot.

BTW, is your name Rennie by any chance?

I don't attack people and I present opposing arguments. If that makes me a tool, that's fine. If nobody likes it, that's fine. If people want to tear me to shreds, that's fine too. At least it gives you something to do and I'm pushing people's buttons .

I work with a Rennie - does that count?

[ipex]

No-one's "tearing you to shreds", LOL. What a drama queen! :vanitybonet:

I see you're from the Gold Coast. I reckon you're Rennie - a Gold Coast Madonna fan I once met. And if you are, it explains everything.

Edited May 18, 2008 by ipex

[Guest bluejean]

If Carta wasn't in this thread it would just be a bunch of Australians whinging on repeat about how she's not coming

I'm over it.

[Carta]

No-one's "tearing you to shreds", LOL. What a drama queen! :vanitybonet:

I see you're from the Gold Coast. I reckon you're Rennie - a Gold Coast Madonna fan I once met. And if you are, it explains everything.

You've followed my posts in other threads, so you know that I've been soundly criticised over the past few weeks

I'm not Rennie and I've never heard of him. The only other Gold Coast fans I know are those I went to school with and all but one of them are girls.

You can reckon what you like, though

[Carta]

I've said plenty of times that I really believe that we deserve a tour. I don't think she owes us one, though. Australians complaining loudly about how she isn't coming here basically just gets on everyone else's nerves and after a while, we lose the support of those who originally supported us. The sour grapes mentality doesn't help, either. I'm as disappointed as everyone else that she's skipping Australia, but I'm dealing with it in a different way. At least my posts have given people something else to get upset over

[ipex]

I'm not Rennie and I've never heard of him.

Oh God, so there's two of you there who are the same. There must be something in the water there...

[Carta]

Oh God, so there's two of you there who are the same. There must be something in the water there...

I don't usually scare people.....I'm really a very nice person, you know

[ipex]

I'm sure you're nice enough. Just not very objective when it comes to Madonna. There are worse 'crimes', so I won't hold it against you too much.

[Carta]

I'm sure you're nice enough. Just not very objective when it comes to Madonna. There are worse 'crimes', so I won't hold it against you too much.

But agreeing with her doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of objectivity, does it? All it means is that I agree with what she's doing. There are plenty of things that she could do that I would have issues with, but she's not doing those things. If she did something I disagreed with or didn't like, I'd say so. Should I suddenly start disagreeing with her just so that I don't come across as lacking objectivity?

Thanks for not holding my perceived lack of objectivity against me

[ipex]

But agreeing with her doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of objectivity, does it?

No, but when you always agree with her, it indicates a lack of objectivity. And you seem to always agree with her, from what I've seen of your posts. Granted, I haven't seen every single one of your posts, but in the ones I've read you're always defending her. Even more pertinently, you defend (in my opinion) the indefensible - like in this thread and the ticket-scalping posts.

Anyway, I'd love to keep chatting, but I'm off to bed now as I have an early start in the morning - nighty 'nite!

[Carta]

No, but when you always agree with her, it indicates a lack of objectivity. And you seem to always agree with her, from what I've seen of your posts. Granted, I haven't seen every single one of your posts, but in the ones I've read you're always defending her. Even more pertinently, you defend (in my opinion) the indefensible - like in this thread and the ticket-scalping posts.

Anyway, I'd love to keep chatting, but I'm off to bed now as I have an early start in the morning - nighty 'nite!

It's sad that if someone always agrees with someone, they're considered to be lacking in objectivity. Our opinions differ on various topics and you consider my position to be untenable, but it's clear that I believe in what I think and just as validly, you believe in what you think. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong. You consider me to be a blind follower who would support Madonna even if she became a child pornographer and I consider you to be someone who doesn't see things the way I do. You're wrong about the child pornography thing, but that's irrelevant here

Hope you slept well!

[Guest sab81]

God. Do you ever stop?

[Michael.]

From what I've read about the various shows on sale already ticket sales have been fairly lacklustre. Not one city has had additional dates added yet due to "demand" and if you look at the itinerary they've definitely left dates free for more London, New York and Paris shows at the minimum. I feel like it's bittersweet vindication for her snubbing Australia again with this tour. She ignored a market where demand was HUGE and she would have had no trouble selling out how ever many dates that she wanted. Compared to the US the Australian economy is booming too so we would have easily been able to afford her astronomical prices.

Some people here and at other various boards [iCON] keep defending her great business skills and her "genius" partnership with Stubhub etc but personally I feel like it's one misstep after another with this tour. I don't feel like there is one thing going right. The selling of the tickets has been a mess. Prices are way too high for the shit tickets that seem to be on offer which is outweighing demand. Also the seating charts conflict for each venue, I think I've seen about 4 or 5 already, and half the people who've got tickets aren't completely sure where they are sitting yet. The PR for her deal has gone wrong and instead of announcing it on her website (considering the deal is only about her promoting Stubhub and thereby receiving a share of the scalped ticket profits) the online news media reported on it first. As a consequence a deal which may or may not have been completely innocent has now left a great proportion of fans out of place and wondering if she only sees them as big fat dollar signs. To make matters worse it was days before anyone from her camp made any mention of the deal and right now the only damage control I can think of has been the "article" placed in People. AND FURTHERMORE all the great tickets for the show are somehow only available through Stubhub or Ticketmaster auctions for prices WAY above any average fans reach. ($10,000 is the top ticket price I believe for front row at NYC)

Smart business woman I think not. How ever is in charge over at Live Nation or Warners or who ever the fuck is supposed to be managing her at the moment should really pull there head out of their asses and start getting on top of things before they get worse then they are already.

That said I'm still going to do my best to see her this time around but that's only because I haven't had the chance before. Had I seen her already I'd probably be in the same boat as a lot of other people and would be waiting for the DVD.

[Mad_On_Her]

From what I've read about the various shows on sale already ticket sales have been fairly lacklustre. Not one city has had additional dates added yet due to "demand" and if you look at the itinerary they've definitely left dates free for more London, New York and Paris shows at the minimum. I feel like it's bittersweet vindication for her snubbing Australia again with this tour. She ignored a market where demand was HUGE and she would have had no trouble selling out how ever many dates that she wanted. Compared to the US the Australian economy is booming too so we would have easily been able to afford her astronomical prices.

Some people here and at other various boards [iCON] keep defending her great business skills and her "genius" partnership with Stubhub etc but personally I feel like it's one misstep after another with this tour. I don't feel like there is one thing going right. The selling of the tickets has been a mess. Prices are way too high for the shit tickets that seem to be on offer which is outweighing demand. Also the seating charts conflict for each venue, I think I've seen about 4 or 5 already, and half the people who've got tickets aren't completely sure where they are sitting yet. The PR for her deal has gone wrong and instead of announcing it on her website (considering the deal is only about her promoting Stubhub and thereby receiving a share of the scalped ticket profits) the online news media reported on it first. As a consequence a deal which may or may not have been completely innocent has now left a great proportion of fans out of place and wondering if she only sees them as big fat dollar signs. To make matters worse it was days before anyone from her camp made any mention of the deal and right now the only damage control I can think of has been the "article" placed in People. AND FURTHERMORE all the great tickets for the show are somehow only available through Stubhub or Ticketmaster auctions for prices WAY above any average fans reach. ($10,000 is the top ticket price I believe for front row at NYC)

Smart business woman I think not. How ever is in charge over at Live Nation or Warners or who ever the fuck is supposed to be managing her at the moment should really pull there head out of their asses and start getting on top of things before they get worse then they are already.

That said I'm still going to do my best to see her this time around but that's only because I haven't had the chance before. Had I seen her already I'd probably be in the same boat as a lot of other people and would be waiting for the DVD.

I agree with you. You've made some good points I didn't realise that tickets sales were lacklustre but it doesn't come as a huge surprise. I hope the tour IS a disappointment inparticular after hearing that some tickets are going for as high as 10,000 on stubhub that is truly disgusting.

[Guest Coked Up Baby Boy]

I didn't realise that tickets sales were lacklustre but it doesn't come as a huge surprise. I hope the tour IS a disappointment inparticular after hearing that some tickets are going for as high as 10,000 on stubhub that is truly disgusting.

Agreed, i hope this whole thing back fires and she doesn't reach anywhere NEAR the success that the COADF tour reached.

[Guest]

WOW, What a pile of flop fans!!!!

Madonna has not incremented the top ticket price for this tour($350,00).

She could charge like $500,00.

I remember us that Barbra charged $1000,00!!!!!!!!!!!! And no one bashed her.

[Michael.]

WOW, What a pile of flop fans!!!!

Madonna has not incremented the top ticket price for this tour($350,00).

She could charge like $500,00.

I remember us that Barbra charged $1000,00!!!!!!!!!!!! And no one bashed her.

Madonna Tickets 10/6 10-6-2008

Monday

7:00 PM Madison Square Garden in New York, NY $87 - $10000 Buy Sell

http://www.stubhub.com/madonna-tickets/?os...home-page-lb-p2

Look at the other top ticket prices for other shows.

Vegas $5000

Montreal $8000

Atlantic City $6500

Boston $4000

Philadelphia $4500

That's where all the best tickets have gone. As I already said I've not read anywhere where a fan has got anything better then Row 13 from any of the sales. I don't believe for a second that their is anyone else involved in this deal beside Live Nation + Stubhub + Madonna. How else did Stubhub have all the best tickets *BEFORE* they even went on sale.

Live Nation uses Stubhub as a front to sell tickets at inflated price. Madonna and Live Nation come across "clean" because it's not them who are charging astronomical prices it's those damn "scalpers." The profit gets split 3 ways. Stubhub makes a profit on the % of the ticket price as sold on their site. Who in turn give Madonna a flat fee + a % too (on top of what she earns from the face value of the ticket already) and Live Nation makes a killing as the original seller of the ticket. Sinister in my opinion, at the end of the day it's the fans who get screwed over.

[Guest]

Well, Napoleon. I just checked Stubhub and there aren't all the good seats; there are some but not all of them(like 15%, a poor percentage).

So don't blame Madonna until all the good seats go straight to stubhub.

[Michael.]

The rest are at Ticketmaster Auctions/VIP packages.

[Carta]

Have the New York tickets even gone on sale to the general public yet? I didn't think they had, nor have the London tickets. I could be wrong, though. Still, they can't add shows until they know how much demand is out there. Paris has sold out, apparently, so it's just a matter of time before the rumoured September 21st show becomes a reality. Only about 4-5 other shows have gone on sale to the general public to date.

BTW - why would anyone want a Madonna tour to flop? If Madonna starts flopping, she stops touring. Yes, she owes Live Nation another three tours after this one, but if her world tours start underperforming, she's likely to scale them back rather than suddenly decide to come to Australia. Being upset about her skipping Australia is one thing, but actually wanting her to fail is another thing entirely. I don't expect many people to agree with me on that point, though. I can understand disappointment, but not vindictiveness.