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the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson claims he did due dillegance on the £435,000 donation shuffled to him to campaign against Brexit. But he didn't know the man he got it from has close links to the Saudi intelligence service.

High bitchiness. DUP whoring themselves out to the highest bidder pretending to support Brexit when they knew it would be a disaster for "their wee country" not giving a shit about the consequences. Convincing their voters it was in their best interests to leave, when in fact they only supported Brexit for financial favours. They even paid thousands for pro-Brexit newspaper ads in London. what a mess

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On 13/5/2017 at 4:31 PM, Kim said:

Well, let's see - operations cancelled, patients sent home, bed shortages, people left lying on trolleys, medical records compromised. So just like any other day in the nhs actually :bad:


Terrible :sadface:

I have read there is a great number of doctors from France, Spain and Italy working within the British NHS as there is a shortage of British born medical staff

All of this doesn't make any sense

Apparently it's the same in the engineering and construction fields

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Donald Trump and Theresa May – Partners in Planning Armageddon?


The cynic might wonder if, when UK Prime Minister Theresa May spent so much time clutching Donald Trump’s hand on her January visit to the White House, she contracted a virulent strain of Trumpitis, an apparently incurable and uncontainable desire to erase swathes of fellow human beings from the planet, if not all life on earth. 

Trump, various Generals with incomprehensible psychedelic bits of cloth adorning their clothing and varying spokespeople, terrifyingly, will not “rule out” a nuclear strike on North Korea (population just 25.16 million v US population 321.4 million, incidentally) which could ignite a nuclear war. 




Five times draft evader Donald Trump seemingly lacks even a miniscule concept of the apocalypse even “conventional” weapons unleash. When he launched – arguably illegally – forty nine Cruise missiles which rained down on Syria (Thursday 6th April) whilst having dinner with Chinese President Xi Jinping, he remembered he was eating “a beautiful piece of chocolate cake”, but forgot the country he was attacking, muddling Syria with Iraq, so lightly was the unthinkable undertaken. Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross was quoted as calling the strike “after dinner entertainment.” 

If Trump read and was thoughtful (the first apparently absent from his activities and the second seemingly fatally flawed) he might have reflected on North Korea’s genuine fears. Near erased from the earth by the US (1950-1953) constantly threatened over subsequent decades, Trump might have recalled the words of Joseph Rotblat, co-recipient of the 1995 Nobel Peace Prize with the Pugwash Conferences, for:

“their efforts to diminish the part played by nuclear arms in international affairs and, in the longer run, to eliminate such arms.” 

Rotblat observed that: 

“If the militarily most powerful and least threatened states need nuclear weapons for their security, how can one deny such security to countries that are truly insecure? The present nuclear policy is a recipe for proliferation. It is a policy for disaster.” 

Another aspect of Theresa May’s Trump-like affliction is her equal lack of reflection. Determined apparently that she can play the world annihilation game with Trump led her Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, to announce that she would fire the UK’s nuclear weapons as a “first strike”, if necessary. (1) 

“In the most extreme circumstances, we have made it very clear that you can’t rule out the use of nuclear weapons as a first strike”, he told the BBC’s Radio 4. 




The reaction of Russian Senator Frants Klintsevich, Deputy Chairman of the Upper House of the Russian Parliament’s Defence and Security Committee, was to call Fallon’s comments “disgusting”, saying they deserved a ”tough response.” He gave it in no uncertain terms pointing out that: “Britain, not having the biggest territory”, would “literally be erased from the face of the earth”, were it to launch a preemptive strike. He asked pointedly:

“Against whom is Great Britain going to preemptively use nuclear weapons?” 

In context, there is no proof whatsoever that North Korea has an integrated nuclear weapons programme (ie the weapons with the system to fire them.) It certainly has a nuclear bluster programme developed out of fear resulting from near seven decades of threats, with a vast US arsenal just across it’s border with nearing 30,000 US military personnel, twelve US bases, one provocatively named “Red Cloud” – and since 2006 further isolation in the form of sanctions. Now of course, there are also Donald Trump’s threats and declared “armada” of war ships, bristling with more nation erasing armaments. 


Senator Klintsevich added witheringly that if Britain intended to use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state:

“then probably English people desperately want to share the laurels of the USA who threw nuclear bombs at defenceless Hiroshima and Nagasaki” (in 1945.)

“But those times have gone for good, as has the era of the greatness of the British Empire.” (2) 


However, undeterred by Russia’s warning, in a speech at London’s Royal Institute for International Affairs (Chatham House) the following day, Fallon again confirmed:

“ … we have made it very clear that you can’t rule out the use of nuclear weapons as a first strike.” 


The authoritative political on line publication The Canary, asked in what circumstances impending Armageddon would be triggered, he replied:

“They are better not specified or described, which would only give comfort to our enemies and make the deterrent less credible.”

The Canary’s article (3) is in stark contrast to the casual talk in Washington and London of unleashing the unthinkable, it is headed:

 “The Conservative government just signed the UK’s death warrant. Quite literally.” 



It opens: 

“It’s already clear that part of the Conservative government’s general election strategy is to peg itself as ‘militarily tough’. And to prove that, Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon has made an astonishing claim. One that essentially signs the UK’s death warrant. 

“The UK will, he asserts, not hesitate to fire nuclear weapons in a first strike. That means the Tories won’t wait until the UK is under attack in some way to start a global nuclear war. It will just start firing at will. This is a complete break from the UK’s historical stance. And it’s one that, considering the UK’s size, could conclude with the country lying at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. 

“The UK’s nuclear arsenal (Trident) is up for renewal, which will potentially cost taxpayers over £200bn. Its renewal is in violation of the UK’s commitment to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). But a number of politicians and their backers profit from Trident’s existence. So, unsurprisingly, it’s quite popular in parliament. (Emphasis added.) 

“The largely US-owned Trident system puts two hundred and fifteen nuclear warheads at the UK’s disposal, according to the Arms Control Association (ACA).” 

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2 hours ago, BrendanT1993 said:

the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson claims he did due dillegance on the £435,000 donation shuffled to him to campaign against Brexit. But he didn't know the man he got it from has close links to the Saudi intelligence service.

High bitchiness. DUP whoring themselves out to the highest bidder pretending to support Brexit when they knew it would be a disaster for "their wee country" not giving a shit about the consequences. Convincing their voters it was in their best interests to leave, when in fact they only supported Brexit for financial favours. They even paid thousands for pro-Brexit newspaper ads in London. what a mess


Unsurprising, as far as the whole issue of Saudi Arabia's relations to the West goes

Our governments are completely corrupt and materially and morally bankrupt

In the same breath of Assad must go they come out with utter crazy stuff like this

Arms company that sold missiles to Gaddafi is a 'role model' for post-Brexit trade, Fallon says

The Defence Secretary also said the Government is backing more arms sales to Saudi Arabia




An arms company that sold missiles to the Gaddafi regime in Libya is a “role model” for the sort of business Britain will be engaged in after Brexit, the Defence Secretary has said. Sir Michael Fallon said MBDA is “strengthening the reputation of this country” with its work and that it is “a role model for the kind of partnerships we’ll be seeking” once the UK has left the EU. 

In 2007 MBDA signed a contract to provide £200 million worth of missiles and military communications equipment to Colonel Gaddafi’s regime in Libya. The dictator was deposed in 2011 during a brutal civil war during which he was accused of bombing his own citizens.


The firm also makes the Brimstone and Storm Shadow missiles and sells them to the Saudi Arabian air force, which is bombing civilians in Yemen. The UN estimates that Saudi-led forces have caused the vast majority of civilian deaths in the country’s bloody conflict, with reports of schools, hospitals and food factories being bombed. It is estimated that one third of Yemen’s 24 million people are at risk of starvation.

Anti-arms trade activists slammed the Defence Secretary for courting the arms company, accusing him of glorying a firm that “profits from war and arms tyrants”.


Sir Michael said MBDA had built “a great reputation manufacturing missiles that keep us safe” as he unveiled a £539 million MoD contract for the firm to supply Britain with three new missile systems. He said the contract was worth 130 jobs in Britain.

“As you know we are leaving the European Union but in leaving the European Union we are going to become an even more global country, reaching out to our friends and allies across the world,” he told assembled staff members at the firm’s headquarters in Stevenage.

“If you want to know what that means in practice look at yourselves, look at your company here. A partnership that already combines British, French, German, Italian skills in one company, forming the only European group that is capable of creating these kinds of missile systems that meet the multiple demands of all the different domains: land, sea, and air.


“You are a role model here for the kind of partnerships we’ll be seeking in future: for our defence, for our manufacturing, and for our country.”

When asked by The Independent whether he considered the sale of arms to the Gaddafi regime to be “role model” behaviour, Sir Michael said: “You know our arms export criteria are some of the strictest we have in the world and we take very good care to look at every single licence application to make sure they conform to the criteria.”

Asked whether the British Government was making the same mistake it had made in 2007 by signing off arms sales to Saudi Arabia, he replied: “Saudi Arabia has the right to defend itself. It’s being attacked by Houthi missiles over its southern border and is also attempting to restore the legitimate government of Yemen. 



Rings several bells














Same identical script over and over



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Point in case, as ineffective Corbyn might be to counteract Torys bullshit this Labour lady, here is speaking the truth, pointing out what a complete hypocrite Fallon is


Emily Thornberry comes very close to swearing on the Marr sofa, accusing Michael Fallon of talking 'boll..." She mouths the rest of the word, before exclaiming "that is untrue!" after he claims Labour wants to renegotiate the future of the Falklands. She was getting hot under the collar about Mr Fallon's other claim that Jeremy Corbyn "openly" supported the IRA 30 years ago. She claims Michael Fallon was at a party to celebrate President Assad's election victory in Syria in 1997. He says he was in Syria and had met Assad but can't remember being at a party.




He's such a liar and an asshole


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Oh and mantaining control of the Malvinas/Falkland islands I am sure it is such a pressing issue for the British citizens right now  :rolleyes: 

Once again it's alarmingly clear what this pro Brexit stand was in the eyes of the Brexiteer politicians at least

A resurgence of a nostalgia for the Empire days

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A top Tory was accused of spreading "b*****ks" about Labour today in a fearsome clash on live TV. Labour's Emily Thornberry roasted Conservative Michael Fallon face-to-face for his comments about Jeremy Corbyn 's record. In a dramatic display, the Shadow Foreign Secretary ambushed her rival after fresh reports emerged of Mr Corbyn's apparent support of IRA sympathisers in the 1980s. Defence Secretary Mr Fallon has repeatedly branded Mr Corbyn a security risk who cannot act against terrorists.

But Ms Thornberry shot back: "If you judge people by who it is they spend time with, the question has to be - do you remember where you were on 27 May 2007?" Mr Fallon responded: "I'm sure you're going to tell me". Ms Thornberry continued: "Yes I am. You were in Syria and you were celebrating at a reception for the re-election of President Assad with 99% of the vote.

"Now, I'm not going to judge you for going to a reception with Assad. "And I don't think people should judge Jeremy for trying to talk to people who might be open to a settlement in Northern Ireland."

Mr Fallon admitted he went to Syria on an all-party visit and shook the autocrat's hand, but insisted: "I don't recall any party in Syria. I remember a fact-finding visit to Syria." Told the reception he attended was to celebrate Assad's re-election, he said: "Nonsense.






"There’s a huge moral difference between talking to other foreign leaders… and Jeremy Corbyn ’s quite open support for the IRA." But Ms Thornberry was not giving up. She jumped in, saying: "You really can’t just go around making this stuff up. "There's an election and people need to make decisions on the basis of the truth."

"You have just said for example I want to negotiate the future of the Falklands. That is b*****ks!" During a separate interview on the Marr show, Ms Thornberry agreed negotiations could be needed over the Falklands if a new invasion was threatened and Britain should not be "gung-ho", saying: "You have to look at the alternatives first." But she added: "If we’re under attack we defend ourselves."

Ms Thornberry said: "There were negotiations going on behind the scenes. "This is something that's been known for 30 years and it's been dragged up at this particular time because there's a general election on."

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Theresa May launched the Conservative Party manifesto in Halifax today



At this defining moment for the United Kingdom, as we embark on this momentous journey for our nation, we have a chance to step back and ask ourselves what kind of country we want to build together?  I believe that our United Kingdom can emerge from this period of national change stronger, fairer and more prosperous than ever before. I believe that we can be a country that stands tall in the world and provides leadership on some of the greatest challanges of our time and I believe that we can and must take this opportunity to build a great meritocracy here in Britain

Now let me be clear about what that means. It means making Britain a country where everyone of whatever background has the chance to go as far as their talent and their hard work will take them. A country that asks not where you have come from, but where you are going to  :semifunny: 

It makes making Britain a country that works not for the privileged few but for everyone. a country where it doesn't matter where you were born, who your parents are, where you went to school, what your accent sounds like, what God you worship, whether you are a man or a woman, gay or straight, black or white, A country where all that matters is the talent you have and how hard you're prepared to work 








Is that why shes reintroducing Grammar Schools? Didn't immigration and work mobility constitute a major issue for pro Brexit campaigners? :blink:  Sometimes I don't know if this woman is for real or if she actually loves to take the piss :blink:  Her speeches always turn out to be so much hot air tbh

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The proposals come soon after the government won the right to collect everyone's browsing history


Theresa May is planning to introduce huge regulations on the way the internet works, allowing the government to decide what is said online. Particular focus has been drawn to the end of the manifesto, which makes clear that the Tories want to introduce huge changes to the way the internet works.

"Some people say that it is not for government to regulate when it comes to technology and the internet," it states. "We disagree." Senior Tories confirmed to BuzzFeed News that the phrasing indicates that the government intends to introduce huge restrictions on what people can post, share and publish online.

The plans will allow Britain to become "the global leader in the regulation of the use of personal data and the internet", the manifesto claims. It comes just soon after the Investigatory Powers Act came into law. That legislation allowed the government to force internet companies to keep records on their customers' browsing histories, as well as giving ministers the power to break apps like WhatsApp so that messages can be read.

The manifesto makes reference to those increased powers, saying that the government will work even harder to ensure there is no "safe space for terrorists to be able to communicate online". That is apparently a reference in part to its work to encourage technology companies to build backdoors into their encrypted messaging services – which gives the government the ability to read terrorists' messages, but also weakens the security of everyone else's messages, technology companies have warned.


The government now appears to be launching a similarly radical change in the way that social networks and internet companies work. While much of the internet is currently controlled by private businesses like Google and Facebook, Theresa May intends to allow government to decide what is and isn't published, the manifesto suggests.

The new rules would include laws that make it harder than ever to access pornographic and other websites. The government will be able to place restrictions on seeing adult content and any exceptions would have to be justified to ministers, the manifesto suggests.

The manifesto even suggests that the government might stop search engines like Google from directing people to pornographic websites. "We will put a responsibility on industry not to direct users – even unintentionally – to hate speech, pornography, or other sources of harm," the Conservatives write.


The laws would also force technology companies to delete anything that a person posted when they were under 18. But perhaps most unusually they would be forced to help controversial government schemes like its Prevent strategy, by promoting counter-extremist narratives. "In harnessing the digital revolution, we must take steps to protect the vulnerable and give people confidence to use the internet without fear of abuse, criminality or exposure to horrific content", the manifesto claims in a section called 'the safest place to be online'.

The plans are in keeping with the Tories' commitment that the online world must be regulated as strongly as the offline one, and that the same rules should apply in both.

"Our starting point is that online rules should reflect those that govern our lives offline," the Conservatives' manifesto says, explaining this justification for a new level of regulation.

"It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground, as difficult to groom a young child on the internet as it is in a community, as hard for children to access violent and degrading pornography online as it is in the high street, and as difficult to commit a crime digitally as it is physically."



:scared:  :scared: 

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Theresa May: SNP's education record in Scotland is a national scandal




Theresa May has attacked the SNP’s education record as a “national scandal”, saying she was concerned about the impact on Scottish children as Prime Minister of the entire UK. Mrs May said the Scottish education system was once “the envy of the civilised world” but standards had declined sharply thanks to the Nationalists’ “tunnel-vision obsession with independence.” Although she admitted that education was devolved to Scotland, she said she still cared “very deeply about the life chances of Scottish children.”

She spoke out as Ruth Davidson accused the SNP of failing a “generation” and set out plans in the Scottish Tory manifesto to “reset” the controversial Curriculum for Excellence. Ms Davidson said there must be a renewed focus on learning “core knowledge and facts” rather than the present criteria, which revolve around “outcomes and experiences.”

The manifesto also promised to end the “comprehensive one-size-fits-all model” of schooling in Scotland, with more diversity and choice for parents and greater autonomy for headteachers. However, it omitted Mrs May’s pledge to roll out a new wave of grammar schools in England.




The pledges came after it emerged last week that fewer than half of S2 pupils can write well and a Holyrood inquiry heard how trainee primary teachers are graduating without the necessary skills to teach maths to P7 pupils.

Launching the manifesto alongside Ms Davidson, Mrs May said: “As Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I care just as much about the futures of children from Ayrshire and Angus as I do about the futures of children in Kent or Carlisle.”

Arguing she wanted everyone to have the chance to reach their potential, she said: “Across the United Kingdom, we may be four nations, but at heart we are one people. We all have a stake in each other’s success.”

Ms Davidson said the Tories would provide “immediate action to tackle the mess the SNP is making of our education system.” She added: “The SNP has failed a generation – and it is time they were held to account.”

Among the manifesto’s other education proposals were reforming the National 4 exam to give greater focus to testing “basic skills” and vocational training.

The blueprint also argued for “a much fairer balance between taxpayers and graduates when it comes to university funding” but did not specify the level of fees that would be charged.

Angus Robertson, the SNP's deputy leader, said: "Theresa May flew into Edinburgh today to deliver one simple message to the people of Scotland - get back in your box.

“This carbon copy manifesto confirms beyond doubt that Tory MPs from Scotland will simply rubber stamp Theresa May’s plans and endorse the damage she is determined to do to households and our economy."

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Are we assured that the funding provided by this secretive group is from ethical sources?

Don't forget that there was a surplus after all expenses were paid after the Brexit media campaign; that surplus, legitimately on the face of it, went straight into DUP coffers.

Lots of unanswered questions?

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