Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I actually like "Freedom" now, I used to hate it lol I also love "Love Won't Wait"!!! love wont wait is everything and so is this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 mattress, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 VARLA reigns SUPREME.... I swear that would b sucha cool look/concept for a tour segment... Quick, somebody twitler Guy Oseary part 2046.. I was thinking the exact same thing when i was looking for those images. It would be soooo rad if there was a Varla themed segment/look for a tour. I love M's hair style for that. Whoops the HQ scan from the BS cover from WARNER has a stain on her eye Ofcourse. Only Warner... i'll take it anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesser Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 Set List: Video Interlude: Sanctuary Survival Express Yourself Into The Groove Don't Stop Video Interlude: Waiting I'd Rather Be Your Lover Erotica Deeper and Deeper / Physical Attraction Human Nature Video Interlude: Inside of Me I'll Remember Vogue Open Your Heart Video Interlude: Forbidden Love Secret Love Tried To Welcome Me La Isla Bonita Like a Prayer Take a Bow Secret Garden Rescue Me Bedtime Story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugly Hecty Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Everything about this sounds so much more appealing than the "Sticky & Sweet Tour". And Mattress, that is one of the most beautiful tour posters I have EVER seen! Superlative work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Pain Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Tour book/poster cover concept: I envision a trippy show that begins with Madonna biting into a poisoned apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddysMuff Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 This set fits you better. And I'm so loving that we're all so unison with this BS shit. I was sort of bored with it earlier, but I think it's pretty awesome now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 This set fits you better. And I'm so loving that we're all so unison with this BS shit. I was sort of bored with it earlier, but I think it's pretty awesome now. me too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddysMuff Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Wow. "Love won't wait" is pretty awesome. So Gamble and Huff! Seriously? God, it's like if it sounds like absolute shit, you just adore it. I mean... it just sounds BAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Seriously? God, it's like if it sounds like absolute shit, you just adore it. I mean... it just sounds BAD. oh, i love love wont wait. very madonna. the bridge, the chorus, the singing style, the background vocals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 THIRD INSTALLMENT, September/October 1994 postings... includes much of the week of the album release. Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:56:06 EDT From: Smedley4 (at) aol.com Subject: More SECRET information!!! OKAY, EVERYONE. Hope you're sitting down, 'cause I got lots more exclusive info about Madonna's brand new album. Just to summarize one last time, here's everything I know about the album up to this point: **************************** ALBUM TITLE: "BEDTIME STORIES" Catalog Number: 4/2-45767 WEA Confirmed Street Date: Tuesday, October 25, 1994 (Major record stores such as Tower Records will be open at Midnight on Monday, October 24th to sell the new LP before anyone else) TRACK LISTING (also includes any small notes that I know about each track): 1. "Survival" 2. "Secret" --Scheduled release date for radio play: September 20th --Scheduled release date for the single: October 6th --Scheduled release date for the maxi-single: Mid-November 3. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" -- Me'Shell N'degeOcello, plays bass guitar 4. "Don't Stop" 5. "Inside Of Me" (rumored to be a re-visitation of "Where Life Begins") 6. "Human Nature" 7. "Forbidden Love" 8. "Love Tried To Welcome Me" 9. "Sanctuary" 10. "Bedtime Story" -- co-written by Bjork and Nellie Hooper 11. "Take A Bow" NOTE: Above is the official track listing from WEA. However, another reliable source has also posted a message claiming that there are two other track titles that aren't listed above. These haven't been confirmed, so they may or may not end up on the album. The titles, with their respective comments by the source, include: 1. "Oops, Sorry" - Madonna lashes out at her critics. Lyrics include: "I'm No Bitch, Don't Hang Your Shit On Me." 2. "For You" - Madonna talks about how tough it is at the top. MUSICIANS on the new album: Me'Shell N'DegeOcello: Bass Guitar Baby face: Drum programming, synthesizers, backing vocals Dallas Austin: Drums, keyboards Tommy Martin: Guitar Colin Wolfe: Bass PRODUCERS on the new album: Nellie Hooper, Dallas Austin, Babyface, Madonna, David Hall --(Note that Stephen Bray and/or Shep Pettibone are not rumored to be working on this album) ****************************** I also have some lyrics from the new song "Secret", they go like this: Things haven't been the same Since you came into my life You found a way to touch my soul And I'm never, ever, ever gonna let it go Hapiness lies in your own hand It took me much too long To understand How it could be Until you share your. . . Secret with me Something's coming over, mmmm.... Something's coming over, mmmm.... Something's coming over me My baby's got a secret. . . . **************************** -----Warner Bros. online has posted a 30-second sample of the song, it is an IBM .WAV file, but can be converted and played on a Macintosh using some simple shareware sound utility programs also available for free through AOL. -----Madonna has also posted her own exclusive recorded 50-second long, spoken message on the computer message board, American Online. Below is a text representation of the message, which is recorded by Madonna herself, in her own voice. This is exactly what she says, word for word: "Hello, all you Cyberheads! Welcome to the nineties version of intimacy. You can hear me. . . You can even see me. . . But you can't touch me. . . Do you recognize my voice? It's Madonna. Often imitated, but never duplicated. . . Or, should I say, often IRRITATED. If you feel like it, you can download the sound file of my new single "Secret," from my new album, "Bedtime Stories," which comes out next month. I just shot the video in New York, and will be premiering an exclusive sample of it online. So check back soon. In the mean time, why don't you post me and let me know what you think of my new song. And by the way, don't believe any of those online imposters, pretending to be me. . . Ain't nothing like the real thing. Peace, out. . . ." Hope this information helps. If all goes well, and my super-reliable, TOP-SECRET source comes through for me, I'll have a complete copy of the full album within a week or so. I'll be sure to keep you guys "posted." Bye for now!!!! --- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: ALBUM TRACK LISTING Thanks for the information about "Bedtime Stories" from 'Smedley4.' A number of the tracks sound intriguing, though none anything earth-shatteringly original.I hope the album has more than just 11 tracks on it -- studio albums have generally been 12-14 tracks in the last few years. Madonna may be planning to save a few cuts as B-sides for future single releases. I also hope that Madonna extends her messages calling for respect for gay lifestyles to to the lyrics of her new album. The Girlie Show broke down a lot of boundaries in this area but I think it is important that she expresses her views in her music more directly than she has in the past in songs such as "In This Life." Is anyone else interested in discussing Madonna's music, as opposed to video and film, with respect to gay issues? --- Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 22:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: SECRET REMIXES Something's certainly going to come over dance clubs this fall. After guarantee that "Secret" will be a sure-fire dance hit. The mixes scream "dance club" atmosphere...the driving techno beat, repetitive vocals, etc. "Secret" should sour to the top of the dance chart in a matter of weeks after the maxi-single's release. (Why the hell are they releasing the maxi so late in the U.S.?) Of course, every dance song Madonna has released since "Like A Prayer" has hit the top of the dance charts with the exception of "Rescue Me." _Erotica_ and _Like A Prayer_ both had three #1 dance hits. Dance on... --- Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:55:25 EDT From: Joe Barco <jwb (at) MIT.EDU> Subject: WWW page Hi all, I found out today that the Madonna homepage on the World Wide Web (http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/jwb/Madonna.html) is the 3rd most accessed document from someone's homepage at MIT. This is pretty impressive since about 500 people have homepages. My homepage, probably thanks to the Madonna page, is ranked 4th in total accesses. Keep it up! Also, I hope people have been calling the radio stations in their hometowns requesting 'Secret.' Oh, and when the new album comes out, I hope that people refrain from sending mail that starts with 'I just bought Bedtime Stories, and I like it.' Otherwise, we are going to be flooded with 400+ messages in one day, and I don't think anyone feels like sorting through that. Oh, I'm going to be adding a whole slew of pictures to the Madonna homepage within the next few days. Keep looking for them. P.S. If Madonna was reading this mailing list, wouldn't it be cool if she gave us advance info about the next single/videos (hint hint)? :-) --- Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: Let Down Your Guard I agree with Robert's observation that "Let Down Your Guard" from the import single of "Secret" is not very Madonna-esque. I think the short-breathed vocals and "funk" synth beat is quite Prince-esque. It reminds me of much of Prince's work in the 80's that was never released as commerical singles, but was a big part of his body of work as a whole. The compressed back-up singing, background noise (like a telephone call), and sexual lyrics are also very Prince-esque. Inititially I did not like the track much, but like "Bye Bye Baby," it has grown on me...I can really get into the funky beat. Madonna is at her funkiest in the song when she says "I'll take you for a little ride." I love that part! The track is an excellent b-side because, though it is perhaps not polished enough for an album, it shows Madonna experimenting with different styles. --- Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:35:34 -0500 From: dhanna (at) mail.sas.upenn.edu (David B Hanna) Subject: The Virgin Tour I notice that a lot of people on this list are "newer" fans, beginning from the _Like a Prayer_ phase or the _Erotica_ phase. I kinda find that interesting, as during those times it seemed to be when she was _losing_ fans, not gaining them. (People might think otherwise, but at least amongst my peers, it was rather uncool to be liking Madonna.) But it's cool that people will go against the trends for her... By the way, the first album I ever bought was _Like a Virgin_, not that that means anything... --- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andre Passero <5PASSERO_A (at) spcvxa.spc.edu> Subject: ATTN ALL MADONNA FANS IN NEW YORK!!!!!!!!! Hello all, I am writing now to invite all who are interested and who live in the New York area to Tower Records, October 24th, around 11:30 or 11:45 PM to get your copy of Bedtime Stories. It should be fun because we could get the album and also have a chance to meet one another. Tower Records have been sort of vague in there response to selling the album a little early, but I think they will. If the absolutly refuse, we could go to HMV records who promised to give the album out early. Mabey we could even get some publicity for this. :-) I am very excited about this so I would like to hear what you think about it. OK hope to see you there. Andre --- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:06:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: BILLBOARD UPDATE 10/22 My previous "Secret Billboard Update" form is being altered to the broader "Billboard Update" to allow for the inclusion of all Madonna singles, albums, and videos on the charts including the Girlie Show video, the forthcoming _Bedtime Stories_, and subsequent singles released from the album. Enjoy... _Billboard_ October 22, 1994 "Secret" ©(D)(V) ========================================================================== Chart This Week Last Week Weeks on Chart ========================================================================== Hot 100 Singles Chart 4 9 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hot 100 Airplay 3 7 3 Hot 100 Singles Sales 18 18 2 Top 40/Mainstream Airplay 4 11 3 Top 40/Rhythm Crossover 15 22 2 Hot Adult Contemporary 15 19 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- MTV Video Monitor 7 NEW 1 VH-1 Video Monitor 5 NEW 1 ========================================================================== "Secret" becomes Madonna's 22nd Top 5 hit. This consolidates her record for most Top 5 hits by a female artist and places her third, behind Elvis Presley and The Beatles, for most Top 5 hits by an artist or group in the rock era. Billboard commentator Fred Bronson notes that Madonna is fourth in number of top 10 hits, behind Elvis (38), The Beatles (33) and Stevie Wonder (28). The next release off her new album will enevitably tie her for third (she currently has 27 top 10 hits). Last weeks Top 3 continue to hold their places though they all are declining in total points. "I'll Make Love To You" shows little signs of giving up the top spot anytime soon. Madonna's stagnating singles sales prevent her from exceeding "All I Wanna Do" or "Endless Love." If her singles sales improve, she should easily capture the #2 spot next week. There is little competition for "Secret" behind it on the charts. Fred Bronson notes that "You Want This" is the lowest entry from "janet." debuting at #60. Sorry Janet, we don't want this (I couldn't resist). MTV seems to be showing a return to its Madonna-worshipping days, giving "Secret" top ten airplay in its first week of release. "I'll Remember" ©(D)(V)(M)(X)(T) Certified Gold ========================================================================== Hot 100 Recurrent Airplay 9 6 4 Adult Contemporary Recurrents 1 1 2 ========================================================================== "I'll Remember's" strong presence on the recurrent charts hints that it is fast becoming a "classic" pop ballad. "The Girlie Show-Live Down Under" ========================================================================== Top Music Video 33 28 24 ========================================================================== Does anyone know where the Girlie Show video peaked? In two weeks, _Bedtime Stories_ will make its debut on the Top 200 Albums chart. So far, strong competition for the top spots comes from R.E.M., holding on to the top spot for a second week, Boyz II Men, and Eric Clapton. Though perhaps excessively long, I think this expanded version of my updates is more thorough. I welcome any comments for improvements and hope others will offer commentary on Madonna's presence on the charts. --- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 14:19:29 EDT From: August A Galifi <s0185304 (at) hawkmail.monmouth.edu> Subject: Bedtime/Erotica release Just thought i would give a little bit of useless trivia. Bedtimes Stories is being released exactly 2 years to the week that Erotica was released. --- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:01:34 PDT From: ma299aq (at) sdcc14.UCSD.EDU (Archie Medrano) Subject: Bedtime Stories being played by radio stations Oh my God!!!!!!! I can't believe they're doing this to me!!! I already heard "Forbidden Love" and "Survival"!!! One radio station said they played "Don't Stop", which I totally missed! Arrrgggghhhh! Now I can't wait until next Tuesday!!!! --- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 14:14:56 PST From: carvin (at) wln.com Subject: Re: Bedtime Stories being played by radio stations seattle's kube played don't stop around 1 p.m. today. fabu! --- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 17:08:49 EDT From: tw2871 (at) VNET.IBM.COM Subject: BEDTIME STORIES From: Tony SUBJECT: BEDTIME STORIES Hey Fans! After hearing about the group in NYC that is going to go to the midnight sale of the album, in their pajamas, A bunch of us fans in Minneapolis are going to do the same. We have called the news stations and the paper to get some press. I hope to have about 40-50 people there so if you are on the list in the Minneapolis area, mail me and we will give you the details. --- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:31:58 -0500 From: rob (at) snuffy.penfield.ny.us (Rob Smith) Subject: BEDTIME STORIES, etc. I can't believe the album will be out by this time next week(baring stupid fucks who "don't know when it's coming out" - please...everybody and their freakin' uncle knows its NEXT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25!!!) MTV News showed bits of a recent interview filmed in Paris (Jean Pauls' show - Kennedy (you know, Roseanne's best friend (ha!) was in the show!!!) and she spoke of how that with this album she is leaning more torwards the romantic aspects of her work, but that she will never give up or avoid her strong use of sexual themes. Unfortunately, I don't have the interview word for word, but for all of you who missed it or want to see it again, I'm sure it wil run again this week and on the weekend news (around the same time that BBC thing is going to be on - anyone who sees that exclusive interview - we want details!!!) P.S. Oh yeah, Madonna...um..may be expecting soon (!?!) A husband and a baby (!?!) --- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:10:35 -0400 From: bdaher (at) magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian D Daher) Subject: FNEWS -> Next single from Bedtime Stories I thought this news article would be of interest to you. --- Brian D Daher Path: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: henryjg (at) aol.com (HenryJG) Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna Subject: Next single from Bedtime Stories Date: 20 Oct 1994 11:15:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com I just read the following message on the very active Madonna message board on America Online's Warner Bros. forum. Thought y'all might be interested: Subj: TIME FOR "BED" CHILDREN... 94-10-19 02:30:11 EDT From: PRINCE 543 The next single has been chosed-it's the Babyface/Madonna ballad, "Take A Bow" (I notice that Smedley 4 hasn't alerted us to this yet (no disrespect oh elequent one....)if you think you've heard her greatest song ever, hold your breath...THIS IS IT! WOW! Think Christmas, snow on the ground, people shopping...all that wintery stuff-this will be the song we hear everywhere this holiday. The cd also has a limited edition version (soft velour light blue cover) with enclosed slipcase for the booklet...nothing really too special...but nice anyway...the official cd has a powder blue inlay tray....do tell, is it true that a promo only 12" vinyl version of the lp is coming out in powder blue vinyl? Can't wait to get our hands on those...! By the way, the sticker for the new promo cd of "Secret Mixes" is bright pink, with blue lettering. --- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 13:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Next single from Bedtime Stories I am surprised that the ballad "Take A Bow" has been chosen as the album's second single rather than the dance number "Bedtime Story" cowritten by Bjork. Following the mid-tempo "Secret" with a ballad is certainly an unorthodox sequence of releases (Madonna has always had a dance tune in the first two releases from an album). Of course, "Secret" doubles as both a mid-tempo and dance tune since the faster remix is getting widespread airplay. So far we know the album contains at least two ballads: "Inside Of Me" and "Take A Bow." There is probably a third (and many even a fourth): any conjectures as to which one? Does anyone know when the Limited Edition version of "Bedtime Stories" will be available? --- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 0:29:49 PDT From: amedrano (at) euclid.ucsd.edu (Archie Medrano) Subject: I got BEDTIME STORIES!!! Oh my God!!!!!!!!!! I went to the Madonna Bedtime Stories Listening Party tonight and I won the CD for answering the question: "What was Madonna's full name in 1988?" I also showed my OMFC card and Karen K (Q106) mentioned it!!! I am now listening to the whole CD, whose tracks are: 1. Survival 2. Secret 3. I'd Rather Be Your Lover 4. Don't Stop 5. Inside of Me 6. Human Nature 7. Forbidden Love 8. Love Tried to Welcome Me 9. Sanctuary 10. Bedtime Story 11. Take a Bow --- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:38:06 +0100 (MET) From: hw39920 (at) is1.bfu.vub.ac.be (de coninck steve) Subject: Madonna on television Big time for European Madonna addicts ! Next Sunday BBC1 broadcasts an interview by Ruby Wax and on Monday the British Radio 1 airs an interview by Simon Mayo in Paris (but I can't capture Radio 1, damn). And : ON NOVEMBER 2 (that's a Wednesday) MTV Europe gives an exclusive interview with Madonna in MTV News. Something to remember ! By the way : in an hour the record shops open their doors. So I'll have my copie of 'Bedtime Stories' within 60 minutes ! I'm so looking forward to it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 13:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dhanna (at) sas.upenn.edu (David B Hanna) Subject: _Bedtime Stories_ limited edition info If you don't want to know what the new album is like then don't read this post. (I decided to put this spoiler alert in just in case anyone wants to be surprised by the album... And don't worry, you really will be!) I have it! (The limited edition!) I feel so cool. To reiterate, it is kinda like a digipak but has a powder blue velvet cover with simply "Bedtime Stories" written on it in the same typeface as the "Secret" single and nothing else, not even on the spine. The sleeve is the one that would be in normal releases (I guess) and it is in a pocket on the inside. The guy I got it from said that it has been deleted already and won't be available for release. Now I don't know if he was just trying to get me to buy it or if this is true. (But before anyone asks, I can't get you a copy. He had gotten three somehow and he sold one already before I gotmine just an hour ago. The other one he is keeping for himself. And he swore me to secrecy that I wouldn't tell anyone that I had it. I'm already breaking my promise Yeah I mean the packaging itself is not all THAT great but it's different! And so is the music itself... I had heard that, you know, it was really R&B driven and all that and slow but still I was really surprised. (I have only heard snippets of the songs as I listened to it in the store.) "Survival" has Niki and Donna singing and that's the only song they are on. The Babyface songs, "Take a Bow" and I forget the other one, are very typical of his stuff, I think, though I'm not an expert. Upon first hearing them, they are so boring, "Take a Bow" sounds like any other Toni Braxton song. But I've only heard them once so maybe this will change? If "Take a Bow" really is the next release, I think I'll be disappointed -- I mean, how many ballads can she release in a row?? (OK "Secret" is not a ballad but what about "Bad Girl" "Rain" "I'll Remember") By the way only on the Babyface songs is Madonna credited last in writing and producing credits. (And good reason too I think!) "Bedtime Story" is like music I listen to sometimes when I'm not think she is trying to sound like her, or maybe it's the influence of Nellee Hooper. This song and the one before it she really does not sond like herself (actually on most of the album). She really changes her voice and it's really... different... that's the word. I think the album just takes some getting used to as I haven't really listened to this kind of music (R&B) for a while, though "Bedtime Story" is not R&B but more... I guess house I'm not sure and I've only heard it once. The dance songs are cool but lots o bass! Lots of samples too including perplexingly enough "Back and Forth" by Aaliyah (I have never heard this song) or however you spell it. And the Isley Brothers. The "Oops, sorry" song (I can't remember the real title) she sings in a weird voice too unlike anything she's ever done. The lyrics that have been posted (Don't hang your shit on me etc) is in the intro and is not included on the printed lyrics. But there are lyrics for this song. Yes the album is very very different. I think I have to listen to it a few hundred more times to really make comments about it. Hmmm what else pictures in the sleeve are from the same shoot as the cover that is at the IUMA and AOL archives and from _The Face_ so don't expect anything that great. They kinda show her age. And the artwork I assume (I forgot to check and I dropped off the disc at home) is by Fabien Baron because it's in the same style as the _Erotica_ CD -- you know, big letters that say "Bedtime Stories". I dunno it seems as if I am not as excited as I thought I would be (even though I went out today on a Saturday in search for it and I found it!). Maybe because I already listened to the disc at the store or maybe because I am not listening to it right now or maybe because I am just bored with music in general I don't know. (Or maybe it's because of those silly Babyface songs! Well sorry for the super long post hope that I gave you something interesting to read. I'd also appreciate it if no one xposted this to alt.fan.madonna or the AOL board. Let's just keep this between us, OK? Like, a little... secret (how lame). Dave dhanna (at) mail.sas.upenn.edu PS Last month I got the Ciccone Youth (Sonic Youth) covers of "Burnin' (sic) Up" and "Into the Groovey (sic)" and let me tell you Into the Groovey is really groovy!!! (Why do I seem more excited about this than the new album. That's OK all you people will love the new album I'm sure!!!! And so will I.) --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 17:35:01 -0500 (CDT) From: BWG001 (at) ACAD.DRAKE.EDU Subject: bedtime came early today Hi Everybody, I got Bedtime Stories today and it's great! (I'm sorry Joe, i know you said not to post messages like that.) Anyway, I don't have any special connections or anything, I just went looking for it at a fairly small store and it was right in the front of the new releasesso anybody could buy it. They'd already sold about 4 copies of it and it had only been in the store for about an hour. If you really can't wait any longer, call around to a few small stores and you should be able to find it. It's a really new sound for Madonna but I like it. I'm anxious to hear every body's opinion. --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 16:23:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian D Daher <bdaher (at) magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Bedtime Shorties I can't believe how many people have copies of Bedtime Stories already!! My screen is blue, but my aura is green. To those with copies, is she still "talking" her way through a lot of her songs? I was getting kind of sick of it, although I can't blame her, she doesn't want to kill herself in concert and talking seems a little easier on the voice I guess. I haven't heard anyone say she did a lot of spoken lyrics. AFter reading the above, I hope no one gets the impression that I'm NOT the world's largest Madonna fan, I am!! I simply just cannot wait for this album and therefore, I'm going up to the tower with my rifle and I'm going to start taking people out. Well, almost. TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the normal and average person without connections of course. Til' Tuesday.... --- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:40:21 -0500 (CDT) From: BWG001 (at) ACAD.DRAKE.EDU Subject: Early to Bed? Hi everybody, I was in a local record store today...one that I frequent quite a bit, and the owner told me that if I showed up tomorrow around noon I'd be able to get Bedtime Stories early. Usually I'd just wait to get it on Tuesday because I know it's not legal to sell things before the release date but I have a reallystrong feeling that I'll be over at the store promptly at noon because this waiting is driving my crazy. Anyway, I guess the point of this is, is anybody else know of record stores that tend to sell things early and if you do, are you going to get the new album before Tuesday? Does anybody else have an opinion on this? --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 12:08:00 +0100 From: TENGKU AZAR ISMAIL <tai2 (at) aber.ac.uk> Subject: madonna on air Well.... guess what, yesterday, Radio One FM (BBC) has been playiing the album tracks from Bedtime Stories all day. Unfortunately Friday is my worst day - packed with classes and lectures. But I still manage to listen to "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" and "Take A Bow" ... and Secret, and Cherish too! So, there you go - 4 Madonna songs between 9.00 am to 7.00 pm. (But I wasn't listening between 10.30 am to 5.00 pm. So, who knows.. there might have been more! --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 94 11:25:47 EDT From: August A Galifi <s0185304 (at) hawkmail.monmouth.edu> Subject: Secret on the Shore Well my luscious friends: I was in The Wiz down here on the jersey shore and they had a great Madonna display for Bedtime Stories. They had this huge stand-up poster like display of the album cover taht was taller than me (I am 5'10"). On it it said,"Pssst...wanna hear a Secret? Madonna's got one for you on October 25." I thought it was very cool. So anyway, I asked the sales guy if anyone had layed claim to the display. he said no, wrote my name and numberon the back of it and said I could have it when the promotion was over. Could be awhile but who knows? --- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT) From: RHA_ST703648 (at) emuvax.emich.edu Subject: Attention Ann Arbor,MI Fans Hey all, it is highly unlikely that any fans close to Ann Arbor Mi are on the list, but if you ar listen up! Tower Records of Ann Arbor has agreed to stay open til a little after 12am On MondayNight/Tue Morning for Madonna's release. If you are in the area. GET THERE AT 11:30 so they will have to stay open. To all: Just read a fantastic review of "Bedtime Stories" in the Detroit Free Press. It was a great article, and an interview w/ M. One of the things she said was in refrence to "Material Girl", she said that " I will never sing that song again" Interesting??? --- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 94 23:39 EST From: Adam Perkins <0006921880 (at) mcimail.com> Subject: Domestic Releases To Whom This May Concern, I have been a loyal fan of Madonna's for quite awhile. Only recently did I discover the mind-boggling range of versions of individual singles available. For instance, a single (with two songs) is released in the US. At the same time, an expanded version of a single, AND a maxi-single version, are released to Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. This recently happened with "Secret", with the following tracks sold in the US: "Secret (album version)" "Secret (instrumental)" But, at the same time, this was sold in the UK and Germany as the regular single: "Secret (album version)" "Secret (edit)" "Let Down Your Guard (rough mix edit)" "Secret (instrumental)" And, soon after, the following was released as the European maxi-single: "Secret (Junior's luscious single mix)" "Secret (Junior's extended luscious club mix)" "Secret (Junior's luscious dub)" "Secret (Junior's sound factory mix)" "Secret (Junior's sound factory dub)" Why are the American audiences always shafted? It's not like you are making more money because we have to import these CD's. The extra money we spend goes to the distributors, not you. I would really like to understand this, so can someone please explain it to me? The same complaint that is above also holds true for release dates. "Bedtime Stories" was available the week before to Europeans-why should we have to wait to enjoy Madonna's new album? These issues are not confined to Maverick records, so don't get me wrong. I realize that this is not just a product of music companies, but effects the entire entertainment industry. I am writing this letter to express to you that, although I can do without an extra few seconds of a movie, I find it hard to accept that there are Madonna songs out there that I have never heard, and maybe never will. I just wish that since you at Maverick Records know that your main artist, Madonna, has such a loyal fan following, that you might make it easier for us to love and appreciate such a fantastic artist. Thank You, Adam Perkins PO Box 831 Kennebunk, ME 04043-0831 via the INTERNET: 692_1880 (at) MCIMAIL.COM PS-A copy of this letter is being sent to the Madonna Mailing List, on the INTERNET,which can be accessed at MADONNA (at) MIT.EDU. This forum for public discussion about Madonna, and all that that includes, is an excellent source for fan opinions on this and other topics. --- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 10:50:57 -0500 From: dhanna (at) mail.sas.upenn.edu (David B Hanna) Subject: More _Bedtime Stories_ More on the album... I am kinda disappointed with it... I don't think I've ever felt this way after getting a new Madonna album... I'm just not a big fan of R&B-type shtick and those Babyface songs are really formulaic. Oh well... some songs are really good, though. And if they release ambient mixes of "Bedtime Story" I think I will be in heaven. Though that would be really weird if Madonna released some ambient stuff... I think it would be nicer if more of the album sounded like "Bedtime Story" b/c ambient is the wave of the future *swoon*. Enough posting for me. Hope you all, at least, like the new album! --- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 05:26:48 -0500 From: rob (at) snuffy.penfield.ny.us (Rob Smith) Subject: USA TODAY Review!!! YES!!! Friday's edition of USA TODAY gave Madonna's BEDTIME STORIES 3 and a half stars out of four!!! Fucking awesome!!! It mentions several tunes, and calls 'Human Nature' "the best cut". I guess we will all find out Tuesday!!! --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 22:39:10 +1000 (EST) From: Evan Spurway <ev (at) insane.apana.org.au> Subject: Another copy of BS I happily purchased my copy of Bedtime Stories a few hours ago (released Down Under first!). Definately a contrast to most other M material and I must say that it is slightly disappointing that there are no dance tracks. It may take a while to 'settle into' this album especially if you are used to a more up beat Mo. Do you have comments on the Secret remixes.. are there many 'dancier' tracks on the remixes? --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AVERYM (at) queen.lsc.vsc.edu Subject: B.S. reviews I hope you all are axious for the release of BS tomarrow (tues). I read two decent reviews that I thought you would be interested in seeing. US magazine has few but good words to say about the cd. USA Today (SAt/Sun) has a wonderful review of the pop diva's seventh full record. Well boys and girls, i'm sure that there will a lot to say over the internet tomarrow. Good luck and happy listening. Avery PS Listen up for Bedtime Story, the title track to be released soon! --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:41:22 +0800 (WST) From: Cheryl Dane-Stewart <girlie (at) tartarus.uwa.edu.au> Subject: I Got bedtime Stories! Hi all! I Just got 'Bedtime Stories' and I'm on my second way through it. It's pretty good, but I think it will take a while to get to really like all the songs. My favourites are 'Human Nature' (definitely a Madonna song in its attitude and style) and 'Take a Bow". I'm disappointed there are no real dance tracks on the album, not of the likes of 'Express Yourself' or 'Vogue' anyway. Can't wait to hear what the rest of you guys think. I also can't believe that the album was released in Downunder before the States. It's nice to know we're ahead of you in some things, not just time. Oh, and for all of you who debated the line happiness lies in your own hand, you're going to love 'I'd Rather Be Your Lover.' --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:41:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ms A. Roberts" <A.Roberts (at) liverpool.ac.uk> Subject: Mads&Ruby Hi all I don't know if everyone was fortunate enough to catch the interview last night but it was pretty good. Ruby Wax did not ask questions, she was trying to give Madonna advice on ageing, wrinkles and double chins Madonna just screamed with laughter through most of it. I was slightly dissapointed as There was no mention of her album or any future tours but I got over this it was good seeing Madonna so happy. There was alot of talk about babies and love, I think Mads may have someone hidden away, she looked really good and as I say very happy. Ruby had a rummage through Madonna suit case and personal hand bag she carrys some strange things around with her e.g. crotchless knickers & bra, blow bubbles, cabbage patch doll and then the usual things. I would like to report in more detail but I have to go - I am in work! --- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 15:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: tgo (at) netcom.com (Thomas Go) Subject: NY TIMES & MADONNA!!!! For those of you who live in the NY area, pick up the NY Times. There is a review/interview with Madonna and Bedtime Stories. After reading the article you do get a sense of how Madonna is feeling these days.."loniness". It's a great article which goes through her phases. There are 5 great pictures of Madonna, one from her Virgin year, the other is a pic. of her in Material Girl, another in BA with the pony tail, lastly one from GS, one more pic. of her in 1994. with heavy dark eye shadows. What is interesting about this article is that it said, That she'll have more TV appearence and an eventual tour to go with the album, though she hasn't plan it yet. She continues to run her company, Maverick. One project is a film based on Arlyne Brickman's life as a Mafia Bookkeeper. For those of you who is interested in this story line ...it said it is described in Teresa Carpenter's book "Mob Girl". Those of you who could get this article get it and read it...it really provide you a lot of insight of Madonna and her personilty. In the article I found out that the floor above her has a lot of boxer pictures...and the biggest pic. with Muhammad Ali with something saying we love you Madonna. She also has a painting from Picasso. One thing is that the new album sounds like it'll have more R&B to it.. but how it it not....I think the subtitle of this article is "Return to innocence". Can't wait till tuesday!!! BS!!!!!! --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 10:27:09 EDT From: bn (at) phantom.com (B Lee) Subject: Reminder! Hello guys and Brian Daher in ohio stae: a Reminder..tonight MTV 9:30 pm EST, there is a Madonna's Special! So don't miss it.. --- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 18:50:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: Tower Release I have confirmed that Tower Records at 66th and Broadway will be open at midnight tomorrow to sell copies of Bedtime Stories! Everyone in the New York area come and prepare yourselves to be "tucked in" that evening by Madonna's new album. Happiness is when "Bedtime Stories" lies in my hands! --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:49:18 -0700 From: chaney.35 (at) postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (mick chaney) Subject: bedtime nightmares well you all who have the cd already.....SUCK!!!!! i have to wait til tomorrow. so do not fret brian you and i in columbus home of the ohio-state cow patties will be the last 2 to get it. in the mean time i will this to my janet jackson cd. just a joke --- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:59:45 -0400 From: VIPE428 (at) aol.com Subject: Here's the Mercury article! DESPERATELY SEEKING SOMETHING RICHES, FAME -- MADONNA HAS IT ALL. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE STILL DOESN'T WANT SOMETHING MORE First of two parts By SHERYL GARRATT Special to the Mercury News 'THAT'S near Madonna's house,'' says the cabby as I read out the Miami address. ''It is Madonna's house,'' I reply, so impressed by this information that I'm unable to speak for the rest of the journey. We swing past Sylvester Stallone's home and then pull up in front of a smaller, more anonymous one. The only indication that someone famous lives here are the black cloths draped behind the gates to block the view. As I press the buzzer, a Jeep pulls up. ''Say hey to Madonna for me,'' the driver yells cheerily as the gates swing open to a driveway flanked by a tall, straight avenue of palm trees leading to a lighted fountain. At the gatehouse, a shadowy, black-clad figure that I l ater learn is the caretaker, Albert, points me toward the house, and as I get there, another man in black jeans and T-shirt swings open the entrance grille. Madonna's assistant isn't here, he says, but she won't be long. I sink into an overstuffed sofa in the living room, and he disappears. I'm on my own in Madonna's house. Once the request for an interview had been granted, this had all been remarkably easy. There were no pre-conditions as is often the norm these days. As Madonna is later to tell me, ''I'm a big girl. If I don't want to answer a question, I can just tell you.'' Celebrities rarely let journalists into their homes. Nor do they generally hand out their phone numbers or invite you over to play with their stereo while they're out. I'm still convinced that this is some sort of test, that I'm being watched. I start to feel ridiculous sitting so rigidly, and I have a look around. The house is beautiful in a simple, expensive yet unostentatious way. The furniture is tasteful, minimal and comfortable. Downstairs a large, cool living room leads to a formal dining room at one end, an office/TV room at the other. Doors open onto the garden. The impression is neat, ordered, free of clutter, but lived-in, too -- this is no showcase home. Finally, Madonna's assistant, Caresse Henry, arrives, full of apologies, calli ng out until Madonna's new puppy, Pepito, comes tumbling downstairs to join us. A handsome, playful, white pit bull, he was a present for Madonna's 36th birthday two weeks before, and is so intent on sniffing, licking and jumping that he has to be taken away again before I can listen to the record. It's hard to judge music when you hear it once, but what I heard of ''Bedtime Stories,'' the new record, sounded good. Some of it sounded great. It's a more mature sound. There are songs here, not the dance-based doodles of ''Erotica.'' Four of the tracks are produced by Nellee Hooper, and one of these -- ''Bedtime Story'' -- was written by him with Icelandic songstress Bjork. Babyface wrote two tracks, singing backing vocals on ''Forbidden Love.'' The rest were by R&B songwriters/producers Dallas Austin and Dave Hall. The theme is not sex but love. Henry and I talk about the new album. ''Did you really like it?'' she asks anxiously. ''Maybe people will write something nice now. I just hope they'll all go and pick on someone else for a change.'' The unease in the Madonna camp is understandable. These have not been an easy two years. Since the release of ''Truth or Dare,'' it seems she can do little right. TRUTH OR DARTS Proud of the film documenting her ''Blonde Ambition'' tour, she had granted more interviews than ever before, and familiarity bred contempt. Even more hype surrounded the release of her ''Sex'' book, followed by the disappointing ''Erotica'' album and the critically panned film ''Body Of Evidence,'' all of which were seen as signs of her decline. Tabloid stories this year have portrayed Madonna as a sad, sagging figure resorting to lesbian affairs to hide her loneliness. An ill-judged appearance on David Letterman's late-night talk show in which frequent vulgarities were used led to a similar thrashing. The usual remedy for American celebrities is the confessional: some expression of regret, followed by the public airing of a hitherto private problem. But Madonna is not up for such staged soul-searching. Instead, she has a theory. ''I'm being punished,'' she tells me calmly after we meet the next day. ''I'm being punished for being a single female, for having power and being rich and saying the things I say, being a sexual creature -- actually, not being any different from anyone else, but just talking about it. If I were a man, I wouldn't have had any of these problems. Nobody talks about Prince's sex life, and all the women he's slept with. . . . I'm being punished for having a sex life. For enjoying it and for saying that I enjoy it. I really think it's that simple.'' The Madonna I meet is nothing like the Madonna in her photographs: She looks younger, smaller. This Madonna has short, yellow-blond hair slicked back from a very pretty face with minimal make-up: black mascara, red lipstick. She is wearing a long black dress, black bra peeping fashionably out between the narrow straps, high-heeled mules, a pale blue ribbon tied round one ankle. She is relaxed, friendly and has a loud, open laugh. INTO THE GROOVES Nellee Hooper, she says, was a logical choice for the new album. And ''Bjork's album is one of my favorite for years -- it's brilliantly produced.'' Lyrically, I say, there's not so much about sex and more about . . . ''Romance,'' says Madonna. ''Or the loss of. Unrequited love.'' Has the sex theme gone as far as it can? ''I tried to make a statement about feeling good about yourself and exploring your sexuality, but people took it to mean that everyone should go out . . . and have sex with everyone, and that I was going to be the leader of that. So I decided to leave it alone. . . . Sex is such a taboo subject, and it's such a distraction that I'd rather not even offer it up.'' The night before we met, while I was at her house listening to the record, Madonna was at the mall. She went to a movie with one friend, no bodyguard. People stared. Three girls sitting in front turned around to ask if anyone had ever told her she looked a lot like Madonna. And Madonna said yes, actually, she heard it all the time. It's easier to do in Miami than anywhere else, she says, but she goes out like this often. ''I don't care if there's 60 people outside my apartment in New York, I'm going out for a walk, and if they follow me, they follow me. I will not be a prisoner.' '' But isn't that dangerous? ''I don't think about it. I just do it. I can't afford to be so careful, to cut myself off from the rest of the world. . . . People always say to me, 'Aren't you frightened? Where's your bodyguard?' But it's all of that that attracts attention, and I just can't function that way.'' The next film Madonna wants to see is ''Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.'' The best she's seen recently is ''Spanking the Monkey.'' Before that, the last one she really loved was ''The Piano.'' Knowing this, her last two choices of acting roles make more sense. Both must have looked great on paper. Her co-stars in ''Body of Evidence'' were Willem Dafoe and Joe Mantegna, both acclaimed actors. The director was Uli Edel, known for the art-house hits ''Christiane F'' and ''Last Exit To Brooklyn.'' TRUE BLECCH The story -- about a woman who may or may not have deliberately killed her rich, aging lover with adventurous sex -- appealed to Madonna, and she liked the plot twists. But in the last week of shooting, the ending was changed. ''I fought it every step of the way,'' she says. ''But I had no control. Woman who has sex must die: That is the theme of that movie, but it wasn't that way to begin with.'' What the critics wrote was that Madonna was awful. She isn't particularly good. But her co-stars aren't any good either. ''I got the blame for everything,'' she says. ''It was like I wrote it, produced it, directed it and I was the only one acting in it.'' Her next film, ''Dangerous Game,'' was produced by her own company, Maverick, and again had a strong team: Abel Ferrara and Harvey Keitel, fresh from their success with ''The Bad Lieutenant.'' Madonna plays a TV actress who sleeps with the director (Keitel) and the lead actor (James Russo) during the film she is making. As the director, Keitel shouts at Madonna, telling her that she can't act, that she's worthless. I wonder why she subjected herself to this, and she insists that she didn't. ''In the original film, I turn it around,'' she says, explaining that in the script her actress character manipulates both director and actor, destroying their De Niro/Scorsese type friendship, and emerges a new star. ''I know a lot of people have that point of view about me in real life, so I thought I could take that and do a great performance. . . . Even though it's a (bad) movie and I hate it, I am good in it.'' Many of those who've seen it agree. She has two projects in development right now, both being written specially for her. All she'll say is that she's being very, very careful, and will make sure this time that the director agrees with her ideas. ''I don't have the power in the film industry that I have in the music industry,'' she says, explaining that even though Maverick produced ''Dangerous Game,'' Ferrara had the final cut. ''The director is the one in control. . . . That's what happened to me with Abel. Because it was an entirely different movie when I made it -- it was such a great feminist statement, and she was so victorious at the end. I loved this character. MATERIAL, GIRL ''But the way he edited it, he completely changed the ending,'' she says. ''He had me killed, which was never supposed to be, and he edited out all the brilliant things that I said. . . . When I saw the cut film, I was weeping. . . . If I'd have known that was the movie I was making, I would never have done it, and I was very honest with him about that. . . . I keep coming to the same conclusion: That I have to be a director.'' Control. Control is the key to Madonna's appeal, and the reason why girls especially loved her. At a time when feminism seemed to be asking women to choose between pleasure or progress, Madonna came along and said you could have it all: power, sex, glamour, money. Yet, she says, women have also been her most vocal critics. ''There's a whole generation of women -- Courtney Love, Liz Phair, even Sandra Bernhard to a certain extent -- who cannot bring themselves to say anything positive about me even though I've . . . paved the road for them to be more outspoken. . . . But . . . they slag me off any time anybody asks what they think of me or compare them to me.'' And as Madonna gets older, it also becomes apparent that, for the moment at least, she hasn't got it all. Her relationships are subjected to the intense scrutiny her celebrity invites, and when they end, the media find it hard to conceal their pleasure. WHO'S THAT GUY? Do you think you idealize romance? Madonna laughs. ''Absolutely. Yeah.'' Will you ever find the romance you're looking for? There's a long pause. ''I'll probably never find someone who has everything. . . . You read a book like 'Catcher in the Rye' or something Hemingway wrote, you see 'The Way We Were' and you go, 'Oh my God, that's the kind of man I want, that's everything.' Well I won't find someone that's everything, but I want to get pretty damn close. Then I figure my friends can fill in the rest. . . . ''You want someone that has power, success, talent, but the more success they have, the less you're going to see them. I have a crazy schedule, I'm always all over the place, so I need someone who's more stable, but then I get . . . angry because they're not out being ambitious like I am. It's hard to find that middle ground. I'm having a really hard time, you know. Finding that perfect person.'' COMING TUESDAY IN LIVING: Trapped in the spotlight --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 13:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Roger Thomas Whiting II" <whiting1 (at) student.msu.edu> Subject: Bedtime Stories The best song has to be Human Nature. The worst is for sure Don't Stop. The in the thanx notes: the Shep Pettibone thing was a hoot. --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:35:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MCDERMO1 (at) MUVMS6.MU.WVNET.EDU Subject: BEDTIME STORIES REVIEW BEDTIME STORIES REVIEW by Jim McDermott ***** (Five stars out of five) I thought I'd give my impressions of the new album before reading any of the other opinions about it. This will hopefully make my review more interesting and unique. For those of you who know that I am a staunch Madonna defender, let me say that my rating of the album and defense of such is not completely biased! I'll try to back up my opinion in the following critique... SURVIVAL (****) - A solid work that is catchy and introduces the mood of the entire album. It is firmly esconced in the R&B theme, and it has a good, steady beat. It seems like one of those songs that you can sing yourself more easily than the others on the radio. This might be a release, but probably later next year. SECRET (*****) - This is, as evidenced by the chart, quite a hit! Madonna has a great register, and the beat is danceable, dance track or not. Everybody I know loves the song, and it's also one that you can hum and sing with. The repetitiveness might initally seem bland, but I believe this is to reemphasize the background music which is excellent. Madonna's music is always good because the beat, rhythm, etc. are always top notch. (As a note on the video, Madonna herself said that the song is about loving yourself (platonically), and not really about masturbation. However, to paraphrase something Madonna has said earlier about her being a lesbian, "If it's important for you to think it's about masturbation, fine. If it's important for you to think it's about self-love, fine.") I'D RATHER BE YOUR LOVER (*****) - Perfect blend of hip-hop, rap, and pop. Madonna's voice virtually oozes from the lyrics while the background harmony in the chorus gushes. Madonna holds notes successfully proving that she CAN sing. Michelle NdegeOcello's rap fits the song, and doesn't seem a token intrusion to the song as most other singers (who shall remain nameless) are apt to do. I had previously envisioned this as a duet with Madonna and Michelle, but this song didn't disappoint in the least! DON'T STOP (****) - It seems like a 70's song at the beginning, and gradually emerges as a 90's R&B hip-hop mixture. This is a good, solid song that will probably be released as a single sometime next year. It has dance potential, and faster remixes would certainly be a hit. Madonna's vocal quality and rhythm are good here, and this could be one of those songs that you listen to a lot without realizing how much you like it until you turn it off and start singing or humming it! INSIDE OF ME (*****) - An ethereal, bittersweet melody with lush imagery. This is a tribute to lost love that is both sad, and yet full of love and hope. The first time I listened to it, it moved me considerably. If I didn't know better, I'd think Madonna had read my thoughts and made them a song. This is the one song that I think Madonna proves that she can outsing ms. janet on her own turf. She seems to almost sound like her at certain points, which is altogether fitting consider janet's appropriation of Madonna's style. What's good for the goose...! HUMAN NATURE (*****) - This is DEFINITELY one of the best songs on the album, and one I hope she releases. This is definitely a middle-finger to her critics, and - though she has publicly made up with him - one I couldn't help associating with David Letterman. ("Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex! 'I must'a been crazy'..."Did I stay too long?") What a great slap in the face without being directly insulting. The "I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me" is a classic! "Express Yourself, don't repress yourself" is bound to be the next catch-phrase, and is cool appropriation of her own material. This is perfect, considering the hip-hop form she is imitating/parodying. The background music does seem like a Snoop Doggy Dog Song, but Snoop never sounded this good! FORBIDDEN LOVE (****) - This subtle, gorgeous song reminds me of dancing in a living room in candlelight with your lover. This song is reminiscent of past Divas whose songs often were heard only by a limited audience. To try to define the meaning of the song itself would ruin it for each person until they have heard it. It's one of those songs that could mean isolation, wants, desires, homosexuality, etc. Some people may not think this is a good song, but try dancing with your significant other to it, and you'll see why I give it four stars! LOVE TRIED TO WELCOME ME (*****) - Have I overused the word gorgeous yet? This has another bittersweet element that I personally could identify with. Isolation, feeling unworthy of love, guilt, redemption, and pain are all wrapped up and delivered here. Madonna has never been more in her element, artistically. "Love tried to break me...," and the ensuing music interlude were perfectly done. This song gave me shivers. I's enough to make you want to hold Madonna (if you didn't already) and tell her everything will be o.k., and that's she is worthy of love! Though it isn't necessarily autobiographical, the delivery is such that she makes you almost forget that. SANCTUARY (*****) - This is where Madonna begins her descent into the world of grunge and new age music. Eerie, dark, and mysterious, Madonna coos about the "darkness in your eyes", and the "ground opening wide", and being "buried" within her lover's arms. "Who needs the sun, who needs the sky, who needs to sleep" seems almost the antithesis of RAIN's hopefulness upon first glance. However, the message seems (almost unbelievably) one of love and desire! This song made me think of Madonna as a vampire... (Good idea for a video, M, if you're listening!) The subtle mix into Bedtime Story is perfect, and completely sets up the mood... BEDTIME STORY (*****) - Tied with "Take a Bow" for the best song on the album! Madonna finally fufills my hopes, and makes a single that grunge bars will probably play! Bjork, Nellee Hooper, and Mrius DeVries did a fantastic job on this one! This is truly a "fuck"-song! The mind boggles at all the future bumping and grinding that will be done with this one! This mixes imagery with the most modern sound we have today. Madonna once again invades a completely foreign environment and makes it her own. She is truly the chameleon here, blending in just right with the beat to create an unreal, ethereal sound. It's an interesting comparison with "Words" from Erotica: "Words are useless, especially sentences, they don't stand for anything..." TAKE A BOW (*****) - This one made me cry. I admit it. I listened to it, and it literally made me weep it was so beautiful. I could picture Madonna singing this in a classy nightclub, after walking outside in the falling snow... "I've always been in love with you..." started the tears, "no more masquerade" made me bring out the tissues, and "you'd break my heart" made the tears turn into sobs. A hopeful, I will always love you-type of song that is reminiscent of "Sleepless in Seattle" or "An Affair to Remember" (Ironic considering Madonna's involvement with Warren Beatty, and his remake, "Love Affair." I have a feeling we may have discounted her feelings for him a little too easily. This would also be a song for Sean. I don't think she'll ever get over him, really. I know how she feels, and she too, is only taking a moment to look back and say "I love you" before moving on forever. If she really is planning on settling down and having a baby soon, then perhaps this is more appropos than we think....) ALBUM DESIGN: Beautiful pictures that show Madonna as a real person, but yet still the most beautiful looking woman in the world. Humorous, seductive, and innocent, she's playing the theme to the hilt. I still say the pink and blue is an indicator that she's either pregnant or going to be sometime soon... OVERALL IMPRESSION: I can't help but feel that Madonna, despite the hateful nature of the critics of the past year, has finally found someone or something that is making her extremely happy...This is an album full of love, both bittersweet and romantic. It hit me that she really hasn't had a truly lush romantic ballad (I'll remember seemed more bittersweet, imo) except for Crazy for You, and I think these far outdo that one song. These songs are PERFECT for her comeback. I can see them being played on VH-1 over and over, ad infinitum. MTV might touch on the rougher ones like Secret (obviously), Bedtime Story, and I'd rather be your lover. We'll have to see. The fun part now will to be to see the different videos she makes for each. Myself, I could see a video for almost every song on the album. However, I'll make a speculative order guess below about the individual releases.... PREDICTIONS: 1. Secret 2. Bedtime Story 3. Take a Bow 4. Human Nature 5. Forbidden Love 6. Don't Stop 7. Love tried to welcome me FINAL ANALYSIS: A fantastic album, a landmark in her career that will certainly give her several chances for new #1 hits, and will no doubt reestablish her as the queen of pop. I see a tour in the works... --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: Re: BILLBOARD UPDATE 10/29 _Billboard_ October 29, 1994 By now everyone should be enjoying copies of the new C.D....here is an update on Madonna's presence on the charts. "Secret" ©(D)(V) ========================================================================== Chart This Week Last Week Weeks on Chart ========================================================================== Hot 100 Singles Chart 4 4 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hot 100 Airplay 3 3 4 Hot 100 Singles Sales 14 18 3 Top 40/Mainstream Airplay 3 4 4 Top 40/Rhythm Crossover 15 15 3 Hot Adult Contemporary 10 15 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dance/Club Airplay 18 NEW 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- MTV Video Monitor 3 7 2 VH-1 Video Monitor 2 5 2 ========================================================================== "Secret" holds its #4 position for a second week in a row while the songs in the top three spots hold firm for a third week. Although all of the songs in the top three are decreasing in points, Billboard commentator Michael Ellis notes that due to Boy II Men's larger decreases with respect to "All I Wanna Do," Sheryl Crow is a shoe-in for the top spot next week. He expects that in the next two or three weeks, Madonna and "Another Night," a hit by Real McCoy in the #5 position, will fight it out for the top spot. "Secret's" failure to exceed the top three is not due to a lack of airplay, but rather modest singles sales. "I'll Remember" had the same problem in its initial weeks on the chart. If Madonna's singles sales do not reach the top 5, there is little chance of her holding the top spot. I expect that next week "Secret" will be #3, exceeding "Endless Love" but still falling in behind Boyz and Sheryl Crow. "Secret" has a strong debut on the Dance/Club Airplay chart at #18, without yet the release of a maxi-single. MTV certainly seems to have gotten over their reluctance to play Madonna, giving her monitored airplay at #3. "Secret" is even stronger on VH-1, coming in at #2 in only its second week on the charts. "I'll Remember" ©(D)(V)(M)(X)(T) Certified Gold ========================================================================== Hot 100 Recurrent Airplay 14 9 5 Adult Contemporary Recurrents 1 1 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VH-1 Video Monitor 25 26 ? ========================================================================== "I'll Remember continues to have a strong presence on recurrent airplay charts and actually rises a spot on the VH-1 video monitor. _Bedtime Stories_ will make its Billboard debut in next weeks issue (or perhaps the week after). R.E.M.'s monster falls to the #2 spot this week, displaced by Boyz II Men who regain their #1 position for a fourth week. R.E.M. and Boyz II Men seem to be the only major threats to _Bedtime Stories_ debut position...I expect a debut in the top 3, hopefully #1. Madonna has not had a #1 album since _Like A Prayer_ (sebsequent releases all peaked at #2), so this would show that she is truly back on top again. ================================================================ Ed Sadtler "Happiness lies in your hand Columbia University It took me much too long to understand" ehs12 (at) columbia.edu -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:27 EST From: Adam Perkins <0006921880 (at) mcimail.com> Subject: BS, a body of work Well, I'm on my second listen through of BS. The verdict is in: MADONNA IS THE QUEEN OF ALL LIVING BEINGS! The album is simply brilliant. It looks like Maddie might be returning to the Grammy's this year...Although BS as a song dosn't excite me, I'm hoping the remixes will. It has the potenitial to really rock... Survival was pretty cool...SECRET is obviously old news...I'd Rather Be Your Lover rules, maybe the best song on the album. A video with Me'Shell whatever would certainly be cool...Don't Stop is very much like Can't Stop, only much dreamier. Actually, the whol album is...Inside of Me, well, the jury is out... Human Nature was nice, but since I've only heard it once, not much else to say...the end of the album is weaker than the first...but as a whole, ALL of the songs really fit nicely. I'm sure Inside of Me and some of the other ones that weren't as good as IRBYL the first time will grow to be my faves, as the songs on EROTICA like Deeper and Deeper, Bad Girl, and Why It's So Hard Did. The MTV special was tottally unexpected. Comments-some clips were REALLY long, especially some of the old vids, which we all have seen OVER AND OVER, not the less played stuff. The Truth or Dare doctor visit almost lost me, as The Warren is starting to rattle my nerves. The ending was nice, except Maddie WORE TO MUCH GODDAMN MAKEUP! I think she could look so much better without that eye shadow. I really liked the clips from BAD GIRL, EROTICA, and True Blue. (as I posted not long ago that it was DEBI MAZAR in TB) Well, that's my opinion, and I don't care about yours... (I'm kidding! :-) --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: BS First Impressions Here are my very first impressions of Bedtime Stories after listening to the tracks two or three times each. What do others think? "Survival" - A spritely mid to fast tempo tune. Lacks the energy of a dance track like "Vogue" or "Erotica," but pleasing to listen to. In the lyrics she speaks of "living to tell...my story," an apparent likeness to "Live To Tell." Blends sounds of the 70's, 80's, and 90's. "Secret" - I love this mid-tempo first release, especially the acoustic guitar and madonna's sunlight vocals. One of the album's best tracks. the ambiguity of the lyrics adds to the overall sense of mystery and provides for a large array of interpretation. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" - Perhaps the funkiest track of Madonna's career. The profound influence of Sly and the Family Stone on Madonna's work is evident in this track. The bass is great and the refrain is catchy, not to mention a sentiment that I can relate to entirely ("we can be friends but I'd rather be your lover") "Don't Stop" - Like "Survival," sounds as much 80's as 90's in sound. A little more R&B influence than usual for Madonna. The production is a bit "soft:" a more hardcore dance version is definitely in order. "Inside Of Me" - A beatiful ballad, slow but not lagging due to the integration of samples from Aaalliyah's "Back And Forth." Madonna's reflection on her mother and how, though she is gone, she will always be somewhere inside, is genuinely touching. The Madonna who acts like she "doesn't care" in the public eye and is crying "when no one is watching" definitely fits into the picture I have developed of her as a person in the last few years...a person living in darkness and light. One of the best tracks on the album, definitely release material. "Human Nature" - The most 90's sounding of the albums's eleven tracks. The instrumentation even recalls a bit of the gangster rap sound of Snoop Doggy Dog, especially at the beginning. Lyrically, Madonna makes a very honest statement to the world, one long overdue. "Oops I didn't know I could talk about sex." I think this one should definitely be released not only because it is a great song but because it will really help people to better understand Madonna as a courageous, real person rather than a cold exhibitionist. "Forbidden Love" - Madonna and Babyface blend their vocals beautifully. When Madonna breaks into the refrain, her rich, deep vocals are fantastic. The underlying whispering is great too. The theme of "Forbidden Love" is one that many can personally relate to. Calls back to the 80's, like many other tracks on the album, in Madonna's call to "Wishin' on the Stars." Another possible release. "Love Tried To Welcome Me" - By this point, the album is losing a little momentum with an additional mid-tempo number. But for a song that most likely was not intended as release material, it is a satisfying addition to the album. Lyrics are at their best when Madonna says "Instead of spring-it's always winter and my hear has always been a lonely hunter." Madonna paints the picture of a lonely person - undoubtably an underlying quality to her life as a star she refers to in "The Face" interview. "Sanctuary" - Madonna pulls the listener in with a whisphered voice into the songs most seductive and mystical track - a song that certainly would not have sounded out of place on _Like A Prayer_. Flaunts Madonna's knack for giving a love song an intriguing twist, in this case viewing her lover as a "sanctuary." The images of burial, light and dark, and marriage are powerful. I like to here her talk as well as sing...probably the most innovative and one of the best tracks on the album. "Bedtime Stories" - By now the album is in desparate need of a strong dance tune. This song seems on the brink of breaking into a fast paced techno tune from the very beginning but never totally takes of...the remixes I'm sure will remedy that. The lyrics are unlike anything Madonna has sung, but of course she took no hand in writing them...I have not figured them out yet but it seems that their is some interest in the powers of intoxication, be it by sleep, love, drugs, or all three. "Take A Bow" - "Take a bow/The night is over" - no question that this song is the ending to an album by the title "Bedtime Stories." Madonna calls on her favorite Shakesperean line "all the world is a stage" as well as her proverbial referance "say good-bye," that we have heard in both "I'll Remember" and "Goodbye To Innocence." The instrumentation is distinctly Babyface, a little too Toni Braxton for my taste, but not bad. Madonna's claim that this "masquerade is getting older" seems to imply some sort of a sundown of her career...but I seriously doubt this is her last album (especially given her contract). Any comments on this? In any case, a good, though uncharacteristically slow ending. Madonna has never before ended an album with a ballad, but it is appropriate to the theme of this album. Well, if you were patient enough to read all my commentary, thanks. I like all of the songs-the album is very consistent-but it is definitely very slow, lacking any raging dance number (of course we find pounding dance hits on the maxi-single for "Secret" and inevitably will on other subsequent dance releases). Clearly, though the album has a sleepy quality to it, sharply contrasting anything she has done before. BS is as much of an Adult Contemporary album as it is a Top 40/Mainstream album, though it does cater to the R&B/Rhythm Crossover crowd with the Babyface tracks and "Human Nature." For this reason, the album could easily capture mass market appeal, certainly buch broader than _Erotica_ which alienated the Adult Contemporary and more conservative top 40 audiences with its boldness and blatent sexual content. If the world is willing to except this new incarnation of Madonna after what proceded it, the album has the potential to be her biggest success since _Like A Prayer_. Just my first impressions... --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 11:47:26 +0100 From: spapadim (at) di.epfl.ch (Spyros Papadimitriou) Subject: BS review Hi guys, The album is just brilliant. I don't think it's going to have a huge commercial success ( Do you see what she meant now in the FACE interview when she said : My fame is going to take a different shape?). Anyway. my favourites from the album are: Inside of me Forbidden love Love tried to welcome me Sanctuary Bedtime story(dying for the remix) Thanx Madonna --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: zheng wang <zhwang (at) das.harvard.edu> Subject: Feeling to BS Those who haven't got BS may stop here. (But I feel strange if you haven't!!) I feel really good after I listened BS 2 times! (I bought it this am). Do you know which one I love the most? "Take a Bow"! maybe because I came from China... The beginning & the chorus really like Chinese melody... but I cannot remember the song's name! They didn't indicate it... The friend who said it's from a 70's Chinese song (Sorry I forgot your name!), is it excerpt from a certain Chinese song (What's the name? feel like from Taiwan) or just a Chinese-style melody? Can you tell me? Survival --- A- Secret ---- A I'd Rather be your lover --- B- Don't Stop --- C (Meaningless) Inside of me ---- B+ (What a wonderful voice!) Human Nature --- A (Really interesting!) Forbidden Love --- B+ (Background vocals are pretty good) Love tried to welcome me --- B- (Melody is not satisfactory) Sanctuary --- A- (Interesting background sounds) Bedtime Stories --- C+ (Not so good as hits in "Erotica") Take a Bow --- A P.S. In "Bedtime Stories", the "Learning" in lyric is mistaken, is it? --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:53:53 -0400 From: Anestler (at) aol.com Subject: MTV special It is really cool, 90 minutes including parts of Bad Girl, Erotica and Justify My Love videos and a new European interview (she looks disgusting). MTV Online says it repeats Sat 3:30 and Sun 2pm --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 11:32:34 CST From: Bring Your Love to Baby Fish Mouth <J372%NEMOMUS.BITNET (at) mitvma.mit.edu> Subject: Smooth, really... *********************************************************** * Everyone should have the album, but if you don't * * and you don't want for anyone to ruin the big * * surprise(s), DON'T READ THE FOLLOWING POST. * * It contains some revealing details about "Bedtime * * Stories." * ******************************************************** "Bedtime Stories" is really smooth...which is pretty much what I was expecting, since reading the review in "Entertainment Weekly" and reading the posts on this list. There really are no fast dance tracks on this album! I kind of think that perhaps this album is as much of a laid-back groove as much as "Erotica" was a total dance pulse. I had an inkling that Madonna was going to do more work like she did with Andre Betts, and I think this is pretty close. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" simply slams. The beat is sexy and I love the bass line (way to go, Me'Shell.) It's so hard to describe why the song is good; it just WORKS. I know that generalization is the enemy of all art, but Madonna just confounds the ability to specify here... "Don't Stop" is a really smooth jam. Great funky guitar! It's a pretty upbeat song; it reminds me of the spirit of Madonna's earlier work. "Human Nature" is weird...I like the door slams and her whispering, but some of her vocal styling rubs me the wrong way. I would like to say that "Bedtime Story" really sucks, but I can only say that it is disappointing. A collaboration between Bjork, Nellee Hooper and Madonna really struck me as intriguing. Instead, there's too much Bjork and not enough Madonna. The melody (if that's what you want to call it) is pretty weak, but then I've found most of Bjork's work to be pretty weak. Want to hear a lovely song? "Take A Bow" is that song. It's one of her best ballads; Babyface's beat is written all over it, but they work really well together on this song.(The other Madonna/Babyface songs left me...wanting.) It kind of reminds of a Carpenter's song. Please don't shoot. I think it has that bittersweet touch that a lot of their music has. I love this song already. I guess the other songs have yet to grow on me...but I know that I like them. The ones I mentioned just really grabbed me. I know this post is pretty self-indulgent, but I thought I would express myself, not repress myself. >BTW, the picture is REALLY bad. Note to Mads-girlfriend, STOP WITH THE EYE >SHADOW ALREADY! God, that was a photoshoot, not a remake of Dark Shadows! Hold the phone! The whole Patrick Demarchelier shoot was wonderful! I happen to LOVE the dark eye makeup look; it's going to be big on models in the next year. I looked at these pictures and said "Those who think Madonna looks old - EAT THIS." I think she looks great! --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric A Walter" <waltere1 (at) student.msu.edu> Subject: who else... Before I read another post exactly like the one I am about to write, I am going to add my two cents, if you please. IMHO, Madonna: A Body Of Work was a spectacular effort on the part of MTV. Three cheers! It kinda reminds me of her MTV10 performance... they really did grow up together. And how she's grown (!!!). I particularly liked the old footage and the fades from old versions of videos to new(er) videos. It kind of shows her progression, as does the whole show through her videos, the change in her voice (noticable in the interview segments), and the growth of her ideas. Brings back all the sweet memories that a half-hour Rockumentary could never do. Kudos to MTV's new paean to our goddess!!! About Bedtime Stories... No one stayed open til midnight around here, so I bought it bright and early this morning. I;'ll have to say I was scared by everyone's "oh my god, it's really different," and "it's not like her," and "Well, it's just not something I'm used to." These aren't exact words, but that's the impression I got. I was pleasantly surprised, however, when I popped it in the player. I only got to the first three seconds of "Bedtime Stories" before I had to go to work. I have yet to hear the last four tracks, but I love every song so far. Now, I'm no record reviewer, but I love her diversity. She seems to be in a more laid back groove, reminiscent of "Secret Garden" and "Where Life Begins." And although not all the lyrics are as challenging as I might have expected, her (new?) sound is very smooth and mellow. It's a welcome change (not that I don't love her earlier dance tracks as well!). Of course, she has her double entendres. Presumably she is talking to an insensitive friend/lover in "Human Nature," but she could just as easliy be talking about the stick-up-their-ass conservatives who have been bludgeoning her since the get-go. Yeah, she gets her little jabs in there (what was I thininking... I must have been crazy...). Just a question... How might I get a hold of a Limited Edition anything? I asked at record stores, and they seem to know nothing of a Limited Edition BS Disc. Also, for anyone out there who doesn't have it already, I highly recommend the CD single of "Secret". "Let Down Your Guard" is on this one, and although it took a few runs through, I like it better each time I hear it. I also like to sing to the instrumental of "Secret." Hats off to our beloved. She's put out another hot one for us (but more importantly, for her). I love her dearly for her honesty and her perserverance. I know that she'll never fall in my lifetime. I just wonder... If a tour is in her future (and I hope she doesn't jump into a tour too soon or she'll kill her voice), how is she going to perform a lot of her new songs? I have faith she'll come up with something... she'd just better come to more US cities this time ! --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:59:38 EDT From: Supercat <rtj (at) pegasus.rutgers.edu> Subject: Bedtime Stories-YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey all, What can I saw about Bedtime Stories: BEST DAMN MADONNA ALBUM EVER!!! Move aside "Like A Prayer" (yeah, it "was" my favorite Madonna album) 'cause a new thing is in town and its name is "Bedtime Stories". Madonna sure knows how to satisfy this fan (you go lady 'cause you are all that and then some!) Before I continue my almighty worship of BS, I must first declare what I did not (*GASP*) like about it. The title track should not have been on here. Sorry folks, but it was so annoying. Well, I think a good remix will make it as good as it should have been. You should all check out the review of the album in this week's "Entertaintment Weekly". I think it correctly depicts what this album is all about: The lyics are very autobiographical Anyway, let me tell you what is so great about Bedtime Stories: 1-This album is unlike any other album she have out there. It's definately R&B sounding with a bit of hip hop here and there. It does not contain dance tunes such as her great dance hits "Vogue" or (my personal favorite) "Express Yourself". However, what you will discover is that our goddes has venture into a new kinda of music and as a result she is able to give us something new, something refreshing, something incredible. She has also introduce us to her new and improve angelic, beautiful and breathtaking voice! 2-Album tracks My favorite songs (and I have to say songs because I don't have "a" favorite) are Inside Of Me, Human Nature, Don't Stop, Secret, Take A Bow and Forbodden Love (both produce by Babyface). a-Inside Of Me-->take about angelic, our diva sound like an angel in this song. The chorus is fantastic especially the way M sings it. This would make a perfect single. "I will alway have you Inside of me Even though your're gone Love still carries on Love Inside of me" (take out your tissues: you'll need them:) ) b-Human Nature--> This is the song that lash out at her critics: in a very funny way!! The versus laeding up to the chorus cracks me up. It's very funky too. It should be release as a single. c-Don't Stop--> here is a smooth dance song. It's something like "Back and Forth": it'll make you want to shake you body in a cool manner. No it's not a hardcore dance groove as "Vogue" or "Into The Groove" but it's good. d-Secret--> You all know I'm crazy about this song It's one of the groovy dance song on here. e-Forbidden Love--> Babyface have done it again. With the aid of this producer Madonna has created a beautiful song here! the lyics is wick! f-Take A Bow--> The same can be said about this babyface contribution. It's a sad song that I really got into the first time I listen to it. get into the groove of "Take A Bow" all but try not to cry. g-I'D Rather Be Your Lover--> well, Madonna I would rather be your lover too than just a crazy fan . h-Sanctuary-->It puts me in a good mood! I don't know what else to say! You have to hear it to understand. i-Survival-it's ok but there is something about it that is perventing me from getting into the song. It's a good song nevertheless. j-Bedtime Stories--> after listening to it I can now understand why it was not the first release. Well, those are my brief comments on the album tracks. Again, this is my favorite Madonna album and I respect the lady for coming back with a bang! Later and enjoy the new Madonna Brian (Take A bow) P.S. "These are my lips, But they whisper sorrow This is my voice, But it's telling lies. I know how to laugh, But I don't know happiness And I must confess, Instead of spring-it's always winter And my heart has always been, A lonely hunter" -Madonna-"Take A Bow" --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:44:00 UTC From: rain (at) genie.geis.com Subject: Bedtime Stories. Bought BEDTIME STORIES earlier in the day, and have listened to it 1.8 times already. It's probably a little too early for me to get into any heavy discussion, but I have mixed feelings about the album. Some of the songs feel like revisions of older material -- e.g., "Don't Stop" sounds like a a new version of "Everybody." It has basically the same message. Instead of, "Get up and dance, c'mon everybody, do your thing," the lyrics here go "Get up on the dance floor for everything is groovin'." Even though the proverbial dance material isn't present, I don't think I exactly missed it. It was overdone in the prior album, and I felt EROTICA didn't work because of that (among other reasons). "Love Tried to Welcome Me" would have been nicer, if she had stuck to the strings only. But then that awful thumping just gets in the way of things. I have yet to hear anyone who uses classical musicians with synths effectively, save for maybe Jerry Goldsmith and Mark Isham. I do like the closing song, "Take a Bow." Nice song and melody, with a nice lulling effect. It sounds like a lullaby (soundwise), even though the song seems to be more about herself and her fame. Here the synths are put to good use (in the others songs, I felt it was a bit intrusive) -- they do add that necessary dimension to the song without thumping all around (and giving me a headache <g>). The song is perfectly placed at the end, and the strings are quite lovely as they fade out to the lyrics, "Say good-bye, say good-bye..." So at least there's one song on there I really like. I did like the opening track, "Survival." I was pleased to hear Niki and Donna again; their voices really complement Madonna's and often gives her songs an extra texture that makes it great to listen to. I'm not too certain about the mainly R&B influenced material, however. It's not exactly my favorite type of music, so I may not appreciate the work as much as some others. I also questioned the use of samples; I found that fairly intrusive. It also makes for the oddest songwriting credits I've seen so far. Anyone who is heard in the song is credited! I never thought I'd see Herbie Hancock's name up there with Madonna's. --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SMCDOWE1 <SMCDOWE1 (at) ithaca.edu> Subject: BS I don't know about the rest of you, but I sorta feel sorry for Shep Pettibone. He got a little thank you in her credits, but that's all. I mean they've worked togehter soooooo much. I hope they pair up again, because he's a good producer. let me know what you think. --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:29:09 -0500 (CDT) From: royster fredrick don <royster (at) ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: BS Shep is good with the occasional song, but bad as an entire album Producer. I personally felt Erotica was Justify My Love/Rescue ME/Vogue changed around. I felt Bad Girl the only compelling song.(Of course this is just my opinion) I mean Vogue is definitely one of the best Madonna songs. i'm glad to see her going into a new direction, but would have at least like to hear one or two dance numbers. As for Dont Stop, I loved it. Sometimes you just like hearing a song that makes you dance, not one that specificaly makes you think a lot, but just grooves(Why do you think people like mindless pop like Ace oF Base). --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:56:45 -0400 From: DMIN6405 (at) aol.com Subject: BS Well, I know this is the millionth time someone on this list has said this, but I LOVE BEDTIME STORIES!! So far my faves are Survival, I'd Rather Be Your Lover, Forbidden Love, Love Tried to Welcome Me, Bedtime Story, and of course, one of her best ever, Take A Bow. Actually, the only song I really don't care for is Sanctuary. Maybe it'll just have to grow on me, but I don't really like it now. A question though: In one of the songs with Babyface(Forbidden Love? I think) while M is singing, you can hear a male's voice (presumably Babyface's) in the background softly singing or saying something. Well, I just wanna know, do any of you know the words he says/sings? I can't figure them all out! Hey! I also got up early today, just to grab a copy of BS when the store opened. My one day a week to sleep late(I have a 1:00 class), and I woke up! But it was worth it! --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:00:07 EST From: "CORY BOYD" <BO921359 (at) arus.ubishops.ca> Subject: huh? i am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with the cd (ok, not that many were, but i'd expect none) and i was especially surprised how many people who did like it, didn't like the title track. this and human nature were by far my two favorites and i think the bjork influence is obvious and wonderful. bedtime stories (the song) is new ground for madonna and i think she handles it beautifully. and if anyone cares, i give it **** 1/2 out of five and say it has bumped like a prayer and become my favorite album, and not just because it's new. i really like the new sound and think it's her most creative work yet. --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 00:37 EDT From: WSEIFRIED (at) middlebury.edu Subject: I finally listened to it!!! Hi guys! I'm new on the net and this is my first message. So, I'll try and keep it short cause I know how it feels to get like 200 messages a day on my account. First off, I'd like to say the new album is simply divine. It will take getting used to, but it is definitely a breath of fresh air. I do agree, however, with those who would have liked a few more dance tracks. Take a Bow is absolutely the best song on the album! I think they get progressively better(w/the exception of Bedtime Story- which is good, don't get me wrong) throughout the entire album, the best ones starting w/#6. Two questions. Does anyone else think that Bedtime Story has a style similar to that of Tori Amos? Also, what famous person does Madonna look like on the cover(besides herself!)? My non-Madonna fan friends have said Marilyn Monroe and Delta Burke(blech!) Any thoughts on this? --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 05:44:02 -0400 From: DaveyGee (at) aol.com Subject: MTV Hi All. I don't post much but love reading all the good "stuff". I missed the MTV segments :>( on Our Lady Today I work from 4:30pm to 12:30 am and forgot (gasp) to have my better half tape it for me. Does Anyone know if there will be a rebroadcast over the weekend??? I love every second of Bedtime Stories, I musta Played it at least a half dozen times today. The poor girl I work with. <g> She's actually gonna go out and buy it herself. I cant wait to see which song is the next #1 release from the Album. Enough rambling. see ya all Love David Feel it in your body Sing La De Da De Don't Stop Madonna --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:21:00 UTC From: r.juzwiak (at) genie.geis.com Subject: Rich's Review... Hey everybody!! Big surprise...here's my reivew of "Bedtime Stories!". I'll take it song-by- song at first: 1. "Survival" - Love it! The lyrics ("I'll never be an angel...") are frank but also really humourous (in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way). Love the production! Niki and Donna sound great, as usual, and one of the major drawbacks of the album (in fact the ONLY major drawback) is that they only appear on this one track. 2. "Secret" - Of course, it's a masterpiece. Loved it since the second I first heard that 30 minute clip, and keep loving it more and more. Can't wait for the remixes! 3. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" - Really intriguing. I half expected Madonna to start rapping when I heard the beat (which, any rap fan will know, shows up in many tunes). Love Me'Shell NdegeOcello's bass and rap. Only weak point are the lyrics which I find confusing ("...I'd even be your brother" ?? was she trying to find a word to rhyme with lover?). 4. "Don't Stop" - One of the most upbeat songs on the album, though it's not too dancey. Reminds me of "Right Here/Human Nature" by SWV (listen to the intro again, and THEN tell me it doesn't) but also somewhat reminicient of the 70's. No deep meaning here, just a fun song that, once remixed, will tear up the club charts (and un-remixed, the regular pop charts). 5. "Inside of Me" - Hmmm. I think the lyrics are absolutely beautiful, but they don't seem to go along with the production (which reminds me of "Where Life Begins"). As a whole, I like it, but it's pretty "strange". 6. "Human Nature" - YES! Fell in love with it the second I heard it! The lyrics are some of her best and most personal. Along with "Survival", this song proves that she's not forgetting "Erotica" or even aplogizing ("I'm not sorry") for it by releasing a "romantic" album. 7. "Forbidden Love" - Really good. Didn't like it on the first listen, but I've grown to like it a lot. Her voice really goes with Babyface's. The subject matter suggests perhaps homosexuality or interracial dating, or some kind of "hush-hush" taboo. 8. "Love Tried To Welcome Me" - Nice. I like the arrangement, and the lyrics are some of the most personal on the album (and it is an incredibly personal album). Very romantic, quiet-stormish. 9. "Sanctuary" - I don't know. REALLY dark. The tone suggests death, but the lyrics suggest otherwise. Could be a dedication to the man she wants to married (she states, "I want to be married" blatantly). 10. "Bedtime Story" - OK, am I the ONLY one who loves it? It's so infectious and it's very Bjork-ish. On the weird-side (though this is NOT bad at all), a really nice dance (I wouldn't call it techno, but probably trance) song about sleeping. 11. "Take A Bow" - God, it's amazing. Sure, we've heard the production numerous times before, but it's never sounded so fresh. The lyrics are really beautiful. Perfect closing for the album. I'd like to think that the song is a metaphor of a relationship (c'mon this IS Babyface), but they do have shades of Madonna hanging up her bra and quitting show biz. Or she could've written it as a tribute to the end of anything she's ever done (perhaps even the Girlie Show "All the world loves a clown"). I don't know... All in all, it's a great album. I wouldn't call it a total R&B album, but it's as close as she's going to get. I think it's themed along the romantic/feelings lines. It's uncomparable to "Erotica" -- they're totally different in almost everyway. I think it's Madonna's most personal album since "Like A Prayer" and perhaps more personal than that. People will appreciate her sensitivity and realness which are apparent, once again. Anyway, here are my picks for the singles after "Secret": 1. "Take A Bow"/"Bedtime Story" - "Take A Bow" will blaze up the Pop and R&B charts, while "Bedtime Story" will have a plethora of mixes that will land it atop of the Dance charts. 2. "Don't Stop" - Radio stations around me have ALREADY been eating this one up, and remixes by David Morales, Steve "Silk" Hurley, and MK will only add to this. 3. "Love Tried To Welcome Me" - Perhaps it'll have to be made a little more upbeat, but with the marketing, it'll become a slow-jam classic. That's all I can speculate for now --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: 00brhart (at) bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: What happened to Melissa? What happend to Melissa (M's assistant)? Who is Caresse Henry? What happend to: "If you ever leave me I'm going to fucking kill myself?" WHAT'S THE STORY? and I don't mean BEDTIME either. So somebody who knows about this better write back and explain someting to me....... I'm waiting...... --- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 23:01:24 EDT From: Supercat <rtj (at) pegasus.rutgers.edu> "Don't Stop" is not the worst song on Bedtime Stories. It is sort of funky-a smooth jam. I think the worst song is "Bedtime Stories". It is so disappointing. --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 22:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: I think Bedtime Stories biggest strengths are Madonna's vocals, stronger and more diverse in style than ever, and the thematic continuity of the album. Every song ties into the next thematically (especially the last three), to the overall theme of the album, the theme of Madonna's career (frequent references to earlier work such as "Live To Tell," "Into The Groove," and "I'll Remember"), and to Madonna's life (her feelings of lonliness and desire to settle down expressed in "The Face" interview). My predictions for releases are as follows: 1. "Secret" - hopefully #1 in the next two weeks! 2. "Take A Bow" - already rumored to be the next release and the perfect song for the holiday season 3. "Bedtime Story" - we know Madonna is already working on the filming of a video for this one and techno mixes are inevitable Other possibilities are "Survival," "Don't Stop" (with dancier radio mix), "Inside Of Me," and "Human Nature." The album is so consistently excellent that it is hard to tell the releases for sure...it has to be her first album completely free of filler tracks! (as Billboard says "no baggage"). Thanks to everyone who wrote to me saying they appreciated my review...I of course have though of much more to say since but I will spare you the time for know. --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:44:52 EST From: "CORY BOYD" <BO921359 (at) arus.ubishops.ca> Subject: alternative? no just a short note. one, i really dont agree that bedtime stories is an alternative sound. someone even went as far to say alternative radio may finally play madonna. don't hold your breath. it's a great song, and battles with human nature for my favorite track on the album, but alternative it is not. i think it's the closest thing to dance music on the album. second, i am a little bit scared about the lyrics to take a bow. all i know is that if i was going to stop making music after a brilliant career, i would love to leave off with a single like this. i hope this isn't what M intends to do. i agree that it sounds a bit like the clown music in GS as well --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 22:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Funkdafied <bsagel (at) emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Subject: Bedtime Stories Briefly, --Take a Bow is the complete shit. Babyface bullshit is sounding all the same musically, but the song is Absolutely Wonderful and both of them deserve a lot of credit. Definitely number one, even versus anything Michael Jackson can come up with. --I am really upset over the title track. As a big fan of Bjork's, I expected something much better from her. You can tell Madonna is trying her best to sing in her awkward style, and it doesn't fit. Hopefully the remixes will be better. That's all for now, but I am ecstatic over Take a Bow. Amazing. --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Andre Passero <5PASSERO_A (at) spcvxa.spc.edu> Subject: Bedtime Stories sales!!!!!!! Hey you guys, I know that numbers are not that important to true fans like us, but they couldn't hurt. Mtv news said that at a Tower records in California, they have sold over 300 albums . At an HMV in NY, it was reported that Bedtime Stories is selling as good as if not better than the REM cd Monster. This is really good news, I think. Anyway, at the record stores near my house, they have all sold at least half their inventory. I get soooooooo happy when I hear stuff like this. I figured that if every record store in the country sold about 5 of these records a day during this week, the album may go platinum But I will leave all the demographical work to the statistics majors and I will go back to loving a wounderful piece of art. --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 21:52:49 -0400 From: Damion001 (at) aol.com Subject: Bedtime Story Who said that the song Bedtime Story was annoying? My dear, I was stunned as I listened to it. I find it unbelievable that the Material Girl was able to create this kind of a song, which works on the mind in the same way a great Jimi Hendrix song does. Listen to it with the sound as loud as it can go baby and it will send you to new heights. It's visionary, it's cosmic--and Madonna's at the center of it all! I'm so glad that Me Shell appears on the CD also. Me Shell and Madonna make a great pair. --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:04:18 +1000 (EST) From: cs445098 (at) lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mickov Todorche) Subject: Brilliant Bedtime Stories !!! BRILLIANT BEDTIME STORIES IN AUSTRALIA !!! !!! What more can I say, but join everyone so far in expresing our utmost satisfaction with the Bedtime Stories album, Madonna's latest and one of the best albums in her career! I was truly amazed by the quality of the album, the fine melodies, boasting with R&B sound, the groovie dance tracks, namely DON'T STOP, and to some extent SURVIVAL, I'D RATHER BE YOUR LOVER and HUMAN NATURE (Letterman, watch out!). Not to even mention the ballads and slow tracks, which really shape the whole album to be a very personal story of her past, her experiences, hopes and interests. I bought my copy on Monday, 24th at 12:34 pm (afternoon), at Melbourne's VIRGIN MEGASTORE, which means that it was around 8:00 pm in America on the 23rd. Does this mean that I was one of the very few people on the planet to have had the album a bit earlier than most of Madonna's fans. I think it does! After listening to it about 20 times so far, I must say that Madonna and the whole team really outdid themselves. Such beautiful tracks, I am really looking forward to spending my summer with BEDTIME STORIES, don't you just love it, summer is coming, and Madonna with it, on the dancefloors of the nightclubs, on the radio waves and the waves at the beach! Here's a very short commentary: SURVIVAL: As one guy put it, it really introduces the album content well. A sign of things to come, and this track - one of my fave on the album, couldn't help but think that it's some sort of a retrospect on her life and endurance. Donna and Niki sound great. Single release ?!? Maybe. * * * * * stars SECRET: Great choice for the first single release. An utterly good song a guaranteed #1. No. 1 in single sales in AUS. * * * * * I'D RATHER BE YOUR LOVER: This one's O.K, quite satisfactory, but pales just a bit in comparison to the rest. * * * DON'T STOP: Just listen to that 70's musical violin stroke in the background. So groovie, I wonder why some ppl are a bit reserved about this song. Lyrics aren't everything, but what's wrong with pumping to the beat on the dancefloor. One of the best!!! A definite single release. * * * * * INSIDE OF ME: What a touching, ethereal, and somewhat sad song. Another one of my fave. Possibly a release. * * * * * HUMAN NATURE: "I'm not your bitch, don't hang your shit on me" The lyrics say it all. "Express yourself, don't repress youreself "(I though it was REGRESS) Another clue. Someone connected it to Letterman, rightly so, and the rest of the bloody critics. What the heck, this is how Madonna criticises. Love this funky song, made me laugh. A release?!? I would hope so. * * * * * FORBIDDEN LOVE, LOVE TRIED TO WELCOME ME: Really great slow songs, one of 'em is a definite singles release and rightly so. So good for slow-dancing. Both: * * * * * SANCTUARY: This is a dark one, this. Almost morbid. A very fine melody, the lyrics too. Another one of my fave, very profound, and an intersting intro to Bedtime Story. Indeed it's an interesting intro to a whole new sphere of Madonna's musical orientation. Deserves our attention and certainly our appreciation. Release?!? Unsure. * * * * * BEDTIME STORY: Not bad, not bad at all. So Bjorkesque, so new for Madonna, don't dismiss it so easily. Profoundly meaningful lyrics. A very interesting side of Madonna's musicality. The grunge influences are more than obvious and it will win Madonna more deserving audience. I'm really unsure about a singles release. * * * * TAKE A BOW: Indeed take a bow to this, the PIECE DE RESISTANCE !!! So heartwarming, so honest, so beautifully composed, arranged and sung. Credits to Babyface too for this superb ballad, a composition of almost unrivalled musical quality. When I first heard it, I had a literal arrest of the senses, instantaneously falling in love with this song, a Madonna EVERGREEN, trust me. This is a definite release, as I said an evergreen that will skyrocket to the No.1 spot and hold it for at least 5 weeks. * * * * * (I wish I had more stars) As it turns out, all of the album tracks are my faves, and I hope yours too. Such originality with the baby-pink and baby-blue album colours, hopefully with a broader meaning than just nice bedtime colours, however one can only innocently speculate as to this "broader meaning". And if the blue and pink are indeed the very baby signs, then I would be more than glad. "Bedtime Stories" was certainly beyond all my expectations in terms of its quality, however one can hardly compare it with the issue-raising "Erotica", because to me they appear very different and yet causal. The stories in BEDTIME STORIES are ones of human character and in particularly Madonna's past and her experiences and therefore the album closely reveals Madonna's attitude, behaviour and personality. Perhaps I am wrong, I only wish Madonna would give her views on what "Bedtime Stories" meant to her. To anyone who hasn't bought the album, I thoroughly recommend it, and I hope you enjoy at as much as I do. Finally, one thought springs in my mind, a hopeful thought that soon enough we would be able to sing along live to these songs on Madonna's next tour, just like we did on the Girlie Show. Infact on the 26th of November, it'll be 1 year since staging the Girlie Show at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, and me and Madonna exchanging *smiling glances* across the catwalk. It's true, I had a golden circle seat and I was by far the tallest guy (6.4 ft). Jelous? --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 00:52:57 CST From: "I'm not your Baby Fish Mouth, don't hang your sh*t" <J372%NEMOMUS.BITNET (at) mitvma.mit.edu> Subject: Re: BS >I don't know about the rest of you, but I sorta feel sorry for Shep Pettibone. >He got a little thank you in her credits, but that's all. I mean they've >worked togehter soooooo much. I hope they pair up again, because he's a good >producer. let me know what you think. Yes, yes, yes! I wonder if her little "thanx for understanding" meant that she was sorry the world isn't ready for the genius of their combined talents... I am sad that Shep didn't even produce ONE track. Those of you who dislike Shep or think his production style is "tired," look at the what he's done: "Rain," the 1990 "Express Yourself," "Erotica," "Deeper and Deeper," "This Used To Be My Playground," "Vogue..." The list goes on. And I miss him... Maybe Maverick will let him remix some of "Bedtime Stories." We can hope, Scotty! --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: BS Billboard Review Presenting... _Bedtime Stories_ review from _Billboard_ magazine October 29, 1994: "The Queen of Pop pulls another doozie from her bag of tricks, with the help from a cast of savvy conspiritors. This time, rather than shocking with sexual antics, or even trying to break musical ground, Ms. M sticks to a pop recipe that yields hits galore, with excess baggage. Most seductive offerings are pop smash "Secret," catchy opener "Survival," funky "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" (featuring Me'Shell NdegeOcello on bass), dance floor gem "Don't Stop," tribal jam "Human Nature," and Babyface collaboratio "Take A Bow." A holiday feast for top 40, rhythm crossover, and AC." Well...they admit that she is the "Queen" but I would rather hear a discussion of well used talent rather than the image of a magician pulling a trick from a bag with help of "conspirators." Madonna (IQ 140) needs no bag of tricks...just her awesome voice and creativity! A standard Billboard review...saying little of substance about the album. I am really getting into "Sanctuary"...it is so dark and haunting. I can see Madonna in an enclosed space only lit by stained glass, buried in the arms of her lover, engaged in the ritual of marriage. Her voice just seeps into me. --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric A Walter" <waltere1 (at) student.msu.edu> Subject: BS First Impressions Oh there's so much more to say than what I've hinted at here. I know many will be upset by the length, but I'm just 'spressin myself. I loved evety song the first time I heard them. I think this album (as a whole) is better than Erotica in terms of love at first (sight?). Ed Sadtler writes his 1st impressions of Bedtime Stories: > "Survival" - A spritely mid to fast tempo tune. Lacks the energy of a dance > track like "Vogue" or "Erotica," but pleasing to listen to. In the > lyrics she speaks of "living to tell...my story," an apparent likeness to > "Live To Tell." Blends sounds of the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Wonderful tie-in with "Live To Tell." She portrays herself as someone who refuses to be victimized, a stance she often takes. > "Secret" - I love this mid-tempo first release, especially the acoustic > guitar and madonna's sunlight vocals. One of the album's best tracks. > the ambiguity of the lyrics adds to the overall sense of mystery and > provides for a large array of interpretation. I agree. Somehow, I like it better with the album than as an independent single. It makes more sense (am I crazy?) on the album. (?) > "Don't Stop" - Like "Survival," sounds as much 80's as 90's in sound. A > little more R&B influence than usual for Madonna. The production is a > bit "soft:" a more hardcore dance version is definitely in order. A friend of mine and I were discussing this yesterday. He said, 'The lyrics are so bubble gum." I have to agree. They are not very... challenging. Of course, Madonna would not release something to the public if she wasn't happy with it (foregone conclusion), so my friend went on to defend it with, "It's kina like the 90s version of Into The Groove." Fluffy lyrics, but fantastic rhythms and instrumentation. A good song no matter what. In slight opposition to Ed, I would like to suggest that there is really no place on the album for a hardcore dance track. IMHO, it's more of a sit down and move your head around and sing along if you want to album than a get up and jump on the bed album. It is *Bedtime Stories* after all. > "Inside Of Me" - A beatiful ballad, slow but not lagging due to the > integration of samples from Aaalliyah's "Back And Forth." Madonna's > reflection on her mother and how, though she is gone, she will always be > somewhere inside, is genuinely touching. The Madonna who acts like she > "doesn't care" in the public eye and is crying "when no one is watching" > definitely fits into the picture I have developed of her as a person in > the last few years...a person living in darkness and light. One of the best > tracks on the album, definitely release material. Yes. I agree that this song is very demonstrative of her personality and the way she's been living privately. > "Human Nature" - The most 90's sounding of the albums's eleven tracks. > The instrumentation even recalls a bit of the gangster rap sound of Snoop > Doggy Dog, especially at the beginning. Lyrically, Madonna makes a very > honest statement to the world, one long overdue. "Oops I didn't know I > could talk about sex." I think this one should definitely be released not > only because it is a great song but because it will really help people to > better understand Madonna as a courageous, real person rather > than a cold exhibitionist. I just love the sacrasm. Her "if I were a man" argument pops up and breathes fire on the censors, and the parenthetic "what was I thinking" and "I must have been crazy" poke fun at those who think she should be repentant for her "sins." A great song. Madonna's anthem, definitely. > "Love Tried To Welcome Me" - By this point, the album is losing a > little momentum with an additional mid-tempo number. But for a song that > most likely was not intended as release material, it is a satisfying > addition to the album. Lyrics are at their best when Madonna says > "Instead of spring-it's always winter and my hear has always been a > lonely hunter." This song was buzzin in my head all day long today. It sticks very well, and I think it would make an excellent release. > "Sanctuary" - Madonna pulls the listener in with a whisphered voice into > the songs most seductive and mystical track - a song that certainly would > not have sounded out of place on _Like A Prayer_. Flaunts Madonna's > knack for giving a love song an intriguing twist, in this case viewing > her lover as a "sanctuary." The images of burial, light and dark, and > marriage are powerful. I like to here her talk as well as > sing...probably the most innovative and one of the best tracks on the > album. Do you think the line mentioning marriage is prophetic? Lets hope so. I'd like to think that she's ready to make amends for her trouble with her first marriage. Not make amends, exactly... moore like I think she's learned about living with people (as if it's even my place to say) and might just be ready for marriage. > "Bedtime Stories" - By now the album is in desparate need of a strong > dance tune. This song seems on the brink of breaking into a fast paced > techno tune from the very beginning but never totally takes of...the > remixes I'm sure will remedy that. The lyrics are unlike anything > Madonna has sung, but of course she took no hand in writing them...I have > not figured them out yet but it seems that their is some interest in the > powers of intoxication, be it by sleep, love, drugs, or all three. Very surreal and Bjork-ish. I can totally hear Bjork singing this song, but that does not exclude Madonna's ability to do equally as well (if not better). I copngratulate M on delving into new and challenging genres. She is a true artist to borrow from others and further the beauty. > "Take A Bow" - "Take a bow/The night is over" - no question that this > song is the ending to an album by the title "Bedtime Stories." This totally fits. > proverbial referance "say good-bye," that we have heard in > both "I'll Remember" and "Goodbye To Innocence." Don't forget This Used To Be My Playground, as equally melodramatic a song. > Madonna's claim that this "masquerade is getting older" seems to > imply some sort of a sundown of her career...but I seriously doubt this is > her last album (especially given her contract). Any comments on this? Scared me for a minute. Although this song would be the perfect anthem for the ending of M's career, I don't want the magic to end so soon. I think she may be alluding to a (temporary) change of pace. What with rumors of marriage (and children?) and the little boy in the secret video, she may want to settle down a bit. (?) > any case, a good, though uncharacteristically slow ending. Madonna has > never before ended an album with a ballad, but it is appropriate to the > theme of this album. Yes, it is definitely an appropriate ending. I think (can feel it in my bones) that this will be a BIG HIT if/when it is released. If it is not released, Madonna would be a fool no to realize the artistic acclaim and monetary gains. As she is no fool, I feel confident that this will see radio airplay. I want to cry when I hear this song. Thank you for reading this far. I means a lot to me that others care what I think. I don't know If I would have made it to the end, thus you are a braver soul than I... Just remember, Ed started it. (just kidding) --- Date: 27 Oct 94 00:03:10 EDT From: Gregg Hlavacek <73134.3306 (at) compuserve.com> Subject: BS nervous breakdown symbolism I've been on this list since way back when someone else was moderating it, and I've mostly been lurking in the last year, but I thought that tonight, I'd have to put in my $0.02... I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this earlier, but Bedtime Stories is a very cohesive album, on par with, if not better than, Like A Prayer. Where Like a Prayer seems to tell a story from her childhood through to her adult years, Bedtime Stories seems to tell a story about her life as a star. Each song has a logical progression into the next. (This is probably going to be lengthy, so skip if you're not in the mood, but if you don't, the reading will at least be good.) It begins with Survival, which acts as the proverbial introduction a body of work: "here's my story/no risk no glory" What may appear at first to be a collection of songs about romance and bitter relationships (with the press, perhaps) may actually all unite to create a metaphor for a nervous breakdown. Now, I'm not a psychology major, but I think that this might be an interesting way to look at the album. Support: All (or just about all) of the romantic songs are not quite what you would fit into the "romantic song" mold. They indicate a very troubled and honest view of relationships. I know of a few traits that I possess myself; i.e. Love Tried to Welcome Me, Sanctuary... They also get progressively more disturbing as the album plays. The album starts out refreshing, light, and easy with Survival, Secret, I'd Rather Be Your Lover, and Don't Stop. It takes a turn into something more intimate, regarding the loss of her mother in Inside of Me. She then lashes out at the press or an ex in Human Nature; creates a private area for her taboo lover in Forbidden Love. Love Tried To Welcome Me almost seems written by a disturbed person. I can just imagine her, trembling slightly, indicating her hands, and singing "These are my hands/But what can they give me?" After the loneliness of LTTWM, she almost seems like she's lost all control in Sanctuary. Even her use of the word "sanctuary" seems to indicate this, show that she needs a place away, an asylum. The startling contrast in the object of her questions also shows to convey this, with the implied preference of rain to the sun, open ground to the sky, tears to a smile, and you get the idea. The height of her nervous breakdown is in Bedtime Story, where nothing seems to make sense to her anymore, unconsciousness is idealized, and everything is reduced to the simple basics that "we're all still wet/ longing and yearning." She's coming out of her "Bedtime Story" (sorry, couldn't resist) when she says "All that you've ever learned/try to forget/ I'll never explain again." Take a Bow proves a superlatively excellent choice as a final track. While musically a bit mainstream for my tastes, it effectively conveys that she's come out of her breakdown, and has a wiser, truer, and more mature way of looking at things. The interpretation of this album can be taken to deeper levels, where she is having a breakdown over a lover, the media, being a star, or being alone. I know this is a bit long (warned ya guys), but I thought it was a valid interpretation of what the album may mean. Perhaps this is not what Madonna meant to convey, nor do I mean to convey that she had a nervous breakdown, but whether consciously or unconsciously, this album may have been psychotherapy for her. Once again, sorry so lengthy. I wish I could have been more eloquent, but the points I wanted to make are all there (I think.. it's late..). Let me know what you guys think. --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 16:02:31 -0800 From: byron (at) kron.cs.csufresno.edu (Byron Douglas Youngblood) Subject: BS songs thought I'd give my opinion on my new copy of "Bedtime Stories", and say that in general I thought it was a good piece of work! I had been watching MTV with my kids as they were growing up, and so had a pretty good knowledge of what there was out there....after 1992, I stopped watching most of the time. The alternative/grunge and nasty-rap was getting me down. Yeah, I"m old, but still I wasn't hearing joyful noise anymore. I was thrilled to get into BS after Erotica and its somewhat sexual mode, although it was danceable!! Sex, to me, is a great but private matter, after all. "Bedtime", the single, was weird and dark to me - too grunge but it is nice that Mads can venture into all musical areas. This is stuff even MY mom will listen to. The MTV special was really good. It was something to hear Madonna's voice throughout, and the changes her voice and face have gone thru. Her voice is huskier now, and that progression is fairly normal for someone who smokes and of course, uses her voice a lot. Face? Well - she could look more youthful if she didn't smoke and if she toned down the make-up a little. Also, she has gotten her weight down quite a bit, and after 30, one has to be careful... she is in super shape, but it'll show more in the cheeks, thus they say it's sometimes good to haul around that xtra 5 lbs. The severly short haircuts tend to be prettier when one's younger, for that reason. Well, 'nuff said (other than, NO she was NEVER fat; just healthy!!) I still love her!!! May the FORCE be with her...... --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: ZIGFREID <peterw (at) io.org> Subject: Hey Babyface..... ...... could someone please tell Babyface that there's probably a way to change the tempo on his MIDI program. Geez every song on Bedtime Stories is exactly the same tempo. Bring back Pat Leonard! --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph L Nunez <jn33+ (at) andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Let's Get Unconscious... Well, everyone here is STOO-PID if they find any errors in Bedtime Stories, joke! No, seriously, I just wanted 2 comment on what sum of these people are saying: 1. THIS SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING JANET JACKSON HAS MADE!! I was astounded when I saw someone say this...just cause it has a large R&B influence doesn't make it Janet Jackson-like (this is no insult to Ms. Jackson). R&B has wider parameters than what people think. 2. The title track, "Bedtime Story" is unique, different, and superb! At first, I used to not like Madonna's different approaches to music (I hated LIKE A PRAYER at first). Something new always scared me, until I realized that NEW MUSIC is the best thing to make. There is uniqueness written all over BEDTIME STORIES! I liked EROTICA at first because it was TOO true to her music. I agree w/ the person who said EROTICA was simply an extension of Shep Petibone's Vogue/Express Yourself dance music. The more R&B material on EROTICA was good, this new album goes a whole new dimension beyond that! 3. MADONNA HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS BEFORE THEREFORE IT IS GREAT!!! --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 22:42:12 -0500 From: rob (at) snuffy.penfield.ny.us (Rob Smith) Subject: My BEDTIME STORIES REVIEW What an album!!! It definitely is different than her previous work. This is my review of the album... BEST SONGS (In order of appearance, not by favorites) - 1) "Survival" - it kind of reminded me of her early stuff, ironically her old song "Angel" (a line in the new song is "I'll never be an angel".) The backing vocals were really good, but then again they have Madonna, Niki, and Donna, who are always good together... 2) "Secret" - I can't stop humming this song!!! Its definitely one of the strongest songs here. 3) "Take a Bow" - What a romantic song. I put it up there with "Promise To Try" for tear jerkers. That, "Live To Tell", and this are the only Madonna songs I have cried to. Today wasn't a good day, so I was a total sucker for a breakdown and this song did it. More related to Madonna, it made me think of Madonna as the clown at the end of THE GIRLIE SHOW ("All the world loves a clown", she sings). This is my favorite song on the album. The rest, while not bad, haven't really hit me yet, although "Human Nature" is growing on me. It just exudes attitude (total M!!!). I wish the girls were on more of the songs though, although they are fine the way the are. On a more negative note, Rochester, New York's paper, THE TIMES UNION, gave a really snotty review of the album, the headline being MADONNA'S "BEDTIME STORIES" ARE A SNOOZE. Hello? I happen to think its one of her best, next to LIKE A PRAYER. The critic goes on to say, "Ultimately, Madonna is little more than the world's highest paid hooker, because what she sells is sex". Hello, again? What an asshole! That would have been fine if this were EROTICA he were talking about, but I think that little insult was totally inappropriate for the new direction she's going in. Some people just can't let go... --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: royster fredrick don <royster (at) ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: New but not so new Hi All I'm thoroughly enjoying BEdtime Stories. After about 4 or 5 lisenings, i even like the title track. It's very trance-ambient like. And I really like Human NAture. I like almost all of the songs. While musically Madonna is going in new places(Love the NEw Jack Swing thing, and new vocal inflections) but Lyricaally, she's treading some old ground. Not that this si a bad thing, the lyrics are great. She talks about "Live to Tell" in sanctuary,"Getting on the dance floor" in Don't Stop (Used in Vogue,basic concept of Everybody) I think I wish I was Your Lover's chorus is ripped right out of Justify My Love" ANd she talks about Expressing Yourself in Human Nature, and of course SAy Goodbye is uese in Take A Bow, I'll Remeber,In This Life, This Used to be My Playground....., and she even uses HAppiness lies in your own hadn in Both Secret and I wish I was your Lover. AS I said, i think repeating motifs are agood thing, since this is such a new style musically for madonna, she wanted her fans to associate it with the themes of earlier works. It really is a great Album, beats tha pants of Erotica any day of th week, and is almost of "Like A Prayer" stature. Almost. --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 00:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: zheng wang <zhwang (at) das.harvard.edu> Subject: New Feelings to BS Sorry for another mail about my feeling, but... After one more day my impression to some songs have changed somehow. Yesterday Now Survival -------------- A- B+ Not so attractive Secret ---------------- A A I'd Rather be your lover B- C+ Tell me how to love this song? Don't Stop ------------ C C+ ditto Inside of me ---------- B+ B+ Why I expect a totally different style... Human Nature ---------- A A+ More & more fascinated by this song!!! Forbidden Love -------- B+ A- Feel it too short Love tried to welcome me B- A Suddenly fall in love with it... M's lonely? Sanctuary ------------- A- A New & charming style of M. Bedtime Story --------- C+ B A little weird... Not as good as "Erotica". Take a Bow ------------ A A+ Ohhhhhhhhhhh...... Before reading the following please be aware overall I love BS very much! 1. My overall impression is still not good enough, 'cos there're 6 fading endings among 11 tracks. I don't like fading ending 'cos the lack of strength. track 4--8 are all fading endings... In "Erotica" there're only 4 among 13, In "I'm breathless" 4 among 12. Of course fading ending fits for songs like "Live to tell", "Like a Prayer", but I feel it not fit for many songs here. Your opinion? Notice that "Express Yourself" & "Vogue" both have attractive intro & ending, I feel "I'd Rather", "Don't Stop" & "BS" lack of this. 2. Cooperate with so many artists... there's variety of style & voice among all tracks. It's not bad, but I felt a little incoherent... Especially, if skip over track 3 & 4, I'll feel much much better! 3. I feel more & more happy 'cos more and more say they love "Take a Bow"! Maybe it's time to introduce Chinese music to you all... Kidding. Since 2 years ago I prefer American music to Chinese. (I came to USA 45 days ago) Classmates said I'm traitor... Of course, there ARE some Chinese music very very beautiful! And I really really hope the suspicion caused by "Take a Bow"(I even don't want to say it) NOT true!!! 4. "Take a Bow", "Human Nature" are rockets to Billboard #1! & "Sanctuary", "LOve tried to welcome me", "Forbidden Love", "Bedtime Story"(Must have a dance single, isn't it)... "TaB", if released next, maybe will bring USA a warm, beautiful & romantic winter... --- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 23:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Andre Passero <5PASSERO_A (at) spcvxa.spc.edu> Subject: New Madonna film and other stuff! Hello all, I heard today on the radio and tv that Madonna was chosen to be in the film called "Four Rooms" directed by 4 different directors. She is going to be directed by a female, Her name escapes me at the moment, but one of the other directors is Quinton Tarintino. I don't know what the film is about but she is starring with Bruce Willis. Could be very different. They also mentioned that she will be in some flick where he sorry, she plays the part of a witch. Anybody know anything else about this. Since everyone is giving their opinion about Bedtime Stories, I would like to share also. But what could I say except that I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! It is so beautifully done. I also feel that her extraordinary vocals is what makes the album so wounderful. Someone posted that her vocals are not that great and all I have to say is that is bullshit. Though she may not have a strong high octave, her ability in other ranges are magnificant. I really do consider her a great singer, YES A SINGER. I hate it when people say that she is a great business woman and she knows how to manipulate the media, because that brushes off her talent. Her voice is very seductive and can easily put me in a trance. But anyway, I love the album. My favorite song is again "Take A Bow". I also really love the darkness of "Sanctuary". Everytime I listen to that, nice and loud in the dark, I picture what the video could be and it is amazing. I was picturing a Dracula type of seduction, blending love and darkness. Well, this is my 2 cents. Enjoy the album --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:31:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Hyland Kevin Robert <k-hyland (at) ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no review, I promise Suggestion to first listeners of BS album: don't follow along w/the lyric sheet. It makes each song seem slow and dull. I was worried that BS would be compared to Music Box since it was said that there were many ballads. I don't think anything compares. I haven't read any messages about the Q-sound effects at the end of "Bedtime Stories." "Travelling, travelling..." I think it has to do with dreaming and deep sleep. The video (if made) during this part has to be great. Any video subsequent to "Secret" HAS to be totally different. No more walking down a street or singing into a studio mike. No other song on BS allows that IMO. --- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 23:41:49 -0500 (CDT) From: BWG001 (at) ACAD.DRAKE.EDU Subject: secret moves up! Hi everybody, I just caught Showbiz today on CNN. According to them this week, the top five look like this: 5. Real McCoy 4. Ini Comoze - ??? (never heard this song before...that's Des Moines for ya) 3. Madonna 2. Sheryl Crow 1. Boyz-II-Men There weren't any really big acts moving up before her (although Bon Jovi was number 6) so as long as Madonna continues to gain sales and airplay, it should have no trouble making number one. The maxi-single next week should really help a lot. Bedtime Stories should be debuting on the album chart in two weeks, hopefully in the top spot. I'll leave the rest of the chart info for whoever happens to get the new issue of Billboard first. --- Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:57:28 +1000 (EST) From: cs445098 (at) lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mickov Todorche) Subject: Very Short !!! Hi all, About the dark and haunting "Sanctuary", do you think that it could possibly be released as a feature song in the upcoming "Interview with the Vampire" with T.Cruise, B.Pitt... Just speculating! It's probably too soon, after Secret. How could some ppl dislike "Don't Stop", there's nothing wrong with lyrics that really make you wanna dance, groove and pump. The lyrics are quite appropriate for the melody, for the mood of the song. Sure they are not as stimulating as "Bedtime Story", but you just got to accept that this is a different kind of song, a song with a message of its own. --- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: More BS Breakdown My thoughts on Bedtime Stories similar to Gregg's: Perhaps he missed it, but I did post to the network earlier that I thought it was her most cohesive album from beginning to end, each track related to the next and related to her life and career as a whole...all under the umbrella of the theme of Bedtime Stories. In "Sanctuary" her preference for the darker of the two extremes is absolutely haunting...I see her in a sanctuary lighted only by a dark stained glass window...cut off from the world in a bond of "marriage" with her (presumably unfound) lover. The isolation of "Sanctuary" becomes near oblivion in "Bedtime Story:" "let's get unconciousness." The song leaves her in a void (communication doesn't work for her anymore). The last song, as you said, is the perfect closing. It puts the album "to bed:" "curtains down," "say good bye," etc. Perpetual lonliness and pain recurs throughout each track on the album: In "Inside of Me" she is crying behind the eyes of the public, in "Human Nature" she speaks of being "silenced by bitterness and lies," in "Love Tried To Welcome Me" she says "lonliness has never been a stranger" and "instead of spring - it's always winter and my heart has always been a lonely hunter," and in "Take A Bow" she says good bye to a lover (and a world) that took her love "for granted" leaving her with a "broken heart." The album can't help but make me sad whenever I listen...half the tracks apply almost directly to experiences in my life (ie. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover," "Forbidden Love," "Survival," "Human Nature." "Human Nature" especially: me locked in a "narrow room" and "silenced by bitterness and lies:" never again! The narrow room is like being in the closet: anyone else relate to this? Thanks to anyone who got through the end of this lengthy message. --- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 19:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Corduan <gcord (at) netcom.com> Subject: "Mistah Kurtz - he dead" [Life is short, this piece is long, and no-one should feel obligated to spoil a Saturday evening or Sunday breakfast by working through this -- for those who remain, one sees that the album that Bedtime Stories seems most frequently compared to is Like a Prayer -- both come at self- created crossroads in her life, which is the basis of what follows] Nixon had six crises (and then a very long seventh) -- Madonna has had three by my count, the private one of her mother's death, the public collapse of her marriage to Sean Penn, and the extended self-inflicted damage of the Body of Evidence Project (book/film/album, which remains, even so, her most significant work, her most significant negotiation of self) Following upon the self-mocking but also self-congratulatory litany that began the Virgin Tour video ("I wanted to be famous, I wanted everybody to love me"), the disaster of her marriage would seem to have brought with it her first real (public) experience of unqualified Failure, and with it an acute sense of (a forced return to) being _only_ mortal, splitting her irrevocably from the media image she had constructed for herself and her public (the placement of the Pepsi commercial "home movie" at this moment is significant) -- the album that followed upon this crisis (Like a Prayer) gave us a set of unified and strongly introspective (and retrospective) lyrics, even as the unity of pop stance and idiom that had held the first three albums together musically almost necessarily fell apart (they had become inadequate to her life) The Body of Evidence Project was admirable in every way _conceptually_ and then came undone in the execution for more reasons than there is space to go into here but almost all of which are linked to the importance and degree of personal psychic risk it must have had for her -- in the long build-up of publicity that preceded its arrival, there was a sense that she was willing herself to cross a threshold ("enter freely and of your own will") that she had been maneuvering herself toward in a progressing series of evasions, and that the marriage had tried to cross in a backwards fashion -- in the failings of its actual execution, she offered to her enemies the weapons with which to attack the vulnerabilities she had exposed The album that follows this crisis (Bedtime Stories) is more adept at a unity of (pop) artifice and she is able to protect herself for five conscutive tracks through the negotiation of a new Plausible Identity, parcelling out the moments of self-exposure ("you have to say one really disarming thing") in a context of affirmation (in what at times also approaches an exercise in self-erasure: even the voice that we know turns itself into someone other) -- but then (after a sort of prologue given by Forbidden Love), she drops the mask entirely for three consecutive and progressively terminal songs (Love Tried to Welcome Me, Sanctuary, and Bedtime Story) -- this is the heart of the matter Love Tried to Welcome Me has its closest melodic precursor in This Used to Be My Playground, but, in its pivot on the phrase "Love tried to break me" (which turns the initial longing of the title into the terms of a betrayal), effectively severs the possibility of traditional nostalgia -- Till Death Do Us Part, from Like a Prayer, straddles this track and the next (Sanctuary) and takes Like a Prayer's Promise to Try with it into its grave (one can splice in here the scene at her mother's grave from Truth or Dare) -- betrayed by Love itself, retrosepctive longing shifts and finds its content in the inversion of values and its expression in the negation of life -- Bedtime Story is the natural, long-awaited, and long-expected culmination of this (and it is appropriate that the words are penned by someone else, so that the expression of its intent is already halfway to its fulfillment) -- it is the hedonistic negation of the first track (Survival (and, with it, of Live to Tell)) and the escape clause to Rescue Me -- in its way it "completes" the Sex book, and, to the extent that that book sought to give expression to what had been unsuccessfully deferred by her wedding ceremony, takes us back to a view (with the spectre of her mother in the background) of what was really at stake in that marriage --- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:35:00 -0500 From: BRATULIC ROBERT <bratuli (at) ecf.toronto.edu> Subject: After the Dust Settled ... After letting my BS impressions stew for a few days, I have the following musings: Songs that I find very addictive: 1. Bedtime Story 2. Sanctuary 3. I'd Rather be Your Lover 4. Inside of Me 5. Don't Stop Songs that I prefer to skip: 1. Survival 2. Forbidden Love 3. Take a Bow Survival 7/10 -------- Recipe: 40% Janet Jackson (That's the Way Love Goes) 30% Cherish 30% Why's It So Hard Token pop offering. Sweet. Innocuous. Forgettable. Secret 8/10 ------ Ancestors: Bad Girl It's the most low-key song on the CD, which makes it a surprising first single. All the radio-play makes it a natural favorite for anyone just buying BS. However, with time I think it'll settle into the category occupied by Oh Father, and Bad Girl. I 'd Rather Be Your Lover 10/10 ------------------------- Ancestors: Bye Bye Baby, Love Song Maximally funky. Need I say more. Don't Stop 9/10 ---------- Ancestors: Deeper and Deeper, Vogue Feel-good dance music, with a salute to 70's disco. Inside of Me 9/10 ------------ Ancestor: Where Life Begins, NOT Promise to Try Even though supposedly about her Mother, when the goddess of sex brings out intimate breathy effects, soft vibes, saxophone, cheesy synths, a bimbo voice, and the testosterone-stimulating "I will always have you inside of me", it's time to blow a wad, not call long-distance. I think M intentionally makes potentially sexually-explicit lyrics readable in 2 or more ways though. Look at Like a Prayer, Where Life Begins, Secret, and many more. Human Nature 7.5/10 ------------ Madonna flames her detractors to music, which sounds vindictive and petty. However, musically too weird to disregard. More of a novelty or experiment. This will certainly never be released as a single. Forbidden Love 7/10 -------------- Not particularly Madonnaesque. Unremarkable. Love Tried to Welcome Me 8/10 ------------------------ Ancestor: Something to Remember (from I'm Breathless, c'mon!) Madonna does Englebert Humperdinck. Easy-listening music on an FM station on a quiet, cloudy Sunday afternoon. Part of the set of songs on this album that make critics call this album a "mature" work. Something mom would like. Sanctuary 10/10 --------- Ancestors: Secret Garden, Words A brilliant jazz/funk tone poem on M's love/death fantasy. Music for The Crow. Not top 40 material. Bedtime Story 10/10 ------------- Ancestors: William Orbit remixes of Erotica, I'll Remember The coolest and most forward-looking piece of all. Madonna creates a new style of music, fusing Orbital, William Orbit, New Age orbits, and Q-Sound. Take a Bow 7/10 ---------- The opening pentatonic melody makes me squirm. $yrupy, $entimental $tuff that is $urely $ingle material. Radio- ready, as Peter said. The string ending is pretty though. What all these reviews show is how differently we are all attracted to M's oeuvre, yet still find common ground for discussion. --- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: Brilliant Connections Gary spoke of the many correlations between the music of "Bedtime Stories" and earlier music in Madonna's career. Picking up this thread of thought, I would like to offer a complete look at these correlations. The album's opening track, "Survival," clearly calls on the words of "Live To Tell," but presents a Madonna who doesn't simply "hope" she lives to tell, but knows that she will. The "lies" that "burned inside of her" in "Live To Tell" are clearly still there, but she has managed for better or worse ("heaven or "hell"). The powerful message of "survivorship" is very powerful and links over to "Rescue Me," a song in which she calls for deliverance ("rescue") and respect. Whereas in "Rescue Me" she calls on love for help, in "Survival" she declares herself a survivor on her own. "Inside Of Me" relates closely to "Promise To Try." Both pieces are reflections on her mother's death. She speaks of a "picture" of her mother in both songs. In "Promise To Try," this image is escaping her. She wonders if her mother will see her "when she stumbles and falls." She fears that she will lose a sense of her mother, but promises to "try" and hold on to it. "Inside Of Me" speaks of her not merely trying, but suceeding. She realizes her mother will always be a "part of" her and when she awakes at night scared, she is not presented with a fading image but a comforting picture and the comforting knowledge that her mother is "watching over" without doubt. "Love Tried To Welcome Me," "Sanctuary," and "Take A Bow" are as Gary said songs in which Madonna "takes off her mask." The underlying sense of darkness that was expressed through odes to masechistic sex and failed relationships, namely "Erotica," "Bye Bye Baby," "Bad Girl" and "Waiting," takes on a more direct and honest form. Madonna does not hide that she herself is the one who's lonely rather than someone merely playing the part of a lonely person (Note that in "Bad Girl," the cinematography is done such that Madonna seems to be playing a part rather than being the character herself) "Take A Bow" can't help but remind one of the themes of the "Girlie Show" with its circus and stage-show imagery ("clowns and curtains". Of course, this links seamlessly to Madonna's final statement in the "Girlie Show:" an image of her as an unmasked clown. There are a number of other connections on the album, but these are those that I think are most stunning. Clearly "Bedtime Stories" contrasts with the earlier works in that Madonna appropriates vulnerability and lonliness for herself and in doing show does not seem weak but stronger and more secure than ever. Any other ideas on connections? --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 00:07:02 +0800 (WST) From: ngcf (at) encserver.en.hkp.hk (Tony NG Chung-fat) Subject: Can someone forward articles from alt.fan.madonna? Hi, I had tried reading the articles in alt.fan.madonna but only found a few. Can someone who has access to all articles of alt.fan.madonna pls forward some of the articles from that newsgroup, esp. the bad reviews of Bedtimes Stories so as to balance the all the good reviews here in our mailing list. I find this album quite good with the exception of Don't Stop and the opening track Survival. Thanks for everyone for enlightening me on the meaning of "Take A Bow". Let's all wait patiently to the debut of Bedtimes Stories in Billboard 200 and also a possible #1 on Billboard Hot 100 for Secret. Tony Ng at ngcf (at) encserver.en.hkp.hk PS: Is it worthwhile to buy the remixes of Secret if I had already got the Secret single which includes "Let Down Your Guard"? --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 02:42:00 UTC From: r.juzwiak (at) genie.geis.com Subject: "Bedtime Story" NO!! Am I the only one who thinks that the release of "Bedtime Story" as a seperate single would be a BIG mistake? It really has no radio potential (even though it's quite amazing) and I'm afraid it would be Madonna's first single not to go Top 40. The SMARTEST think to do, IMHO, would be to release a double A-side of "Take A Bow"/"Bedtime Story" that way she'll have a dance, R&B, AC, and pop hit all together, AND if radio stations wanted to, they COULD play "Bedtime Story" (since it's just about given that "Take A Bow" will go to #1) but wouldn't have to for Madonna to have a hit. Anyone agree? --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian J Dillard" <dillardb (at) student.msu.edu> Subject: bedtime story sorry to burst your bubble, bratulic, but this song doesNOT showcase madonna's ability to create a new form of music, as you stated. it is my fave song on the album, but the reason i like it is that it sounds like violently happy part II. violently happy being one of the 11 exquisite tunes bjork and nellee hooper crafted for bjork's 'debut.' the blueprint for the song is right there. weird sonic noises, gutteral sounds, the eerie noises coalesce and the beat kicks in. the melody never really shows up--very techno. sure, it sounds great, but to credit madge for being a pathfinder is a bit absurd. . . . --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: BS is a Release Despite insistent claims on the list that "Bedtime Story" would be a poor release or should be consigned to the b-side of "Take A Bow," that does not change the fact that Madonna began the filming of this video before the video for "Take A Bow" and though it is not necessarily the second release, it will be a major release from the album. A agree that "Take A Bow" has more potential on the charts: it comes closer to the type of songs that stay at the top of the charts (like those of Boyz II Men and All 4 One) than anything she has done. "Bedtime Stories" doesn't really have singable melody but perhaps a radio remix will make it more suitable for the airwaves. Furthermore, I think it is great that Madonna wants to present a release that IS a departure from the mainstream to show an added dimension to her work. "Bedtime Story" may not make the top 10 but it could easily call a following from college-aged audiences that lean towards alternative music. --- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Sadtler <ehs12 (at) columbia.edu> Subject: BS Releases After considering the album in more depth, these are my firm conjectures for releases: 1. "Secret" Hopefully a future #1 on Singles, Dance, and Adult Contemporary charts; maxi-single release on Tuesday? 2. "Bedtime Story" Madonna has found elderly Asian women for what promises to be an intriguing video; probably not #1 potential, but perhaps top 5; enevitable techno-oriented maxi-single and #1 club smash. 3. "Take A Bow" Madonna is filming a video in Spain for this one; should shoot to the top of the charts because of its broad pop appeal; "Don't Stop" is a possible b-side with great (needed) remixes on maxi-single. 4. "Survival" A number of radio stations have already picked this one out as a hit and first tracks are almost always release; another sure-fire dance hit for Madonna; perhaps too light for radio but a radio remix could perhaps give it top 5 potential. Madonna may stop with four to be safe but further releases may include: 5. "Human Nature" R&B appeal makes this a release choice that may well pay off; Madonna also might feel that her message in this song necessarily must go public; would require significant censuring. 6. "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" This funky tune could be successful because of its R&B appeal; Madonna probably would like the idea of presenting a song and video collaboration with Me'Shell. --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Brian D Daher <bdaher (at) magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Her new SIGNATURE song I think Take a Bow is the perfect next single and will be a pop smash! This is the perfect Madonna "signature" song, meaning, she can end every show she ever does from now on singing this song. After that, Don't Stop should be the next single. I imagine that Bedtime Stories will be the fourth single but don't ever expect "Human Nature" to be released. Radio stations do not play songs that contain the word "shit." It's a good song, but it won't get played, I'm sure of it. I must confess, I didn't like BS when I first heard it. But after a few Entertainment Weekly (this is paraphrased heresay) said that "Erotica" embraced her gay fans and this album embraces her black fans. What do people think about that comment? --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 15:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: William McBrine <wmcbrine (at) clark.net> Subject: Madonna's new boyfriend - not Letterman The Halloween issue of _People_ magazine, p. 39, says: Madonna has a new boyfriend. He's Carlos Leon, a Cuban-born cyclist in his late 20's, whom she met recently in Manhattan's Central Park. The way we hear it, Madonna first spotted Leon biking during one of her frequent jogs in the park. A source says Madonna finally approached him, remarking about his "nice sunglasses," and the two have been romantically involved ever since. Leon, who also works at the front desk of a New York City gym, has traveled with Madonna twice to Miami and most recently to Paris, where she has been promoting her new CD, _Bedtime Stories_. --- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 0:09:59 EST From: Le Roi du Monde <gmurray (at) skidmore.EDU> Subject: single predictions I have very much enjoyed reading everyone's predictions for BEDTIME STORIES's single releases, so I will add mine... 1. Secret -excellent choice for first release; a happy song that has broad interpretation; great acoustic instrumentation; catchy, fun, danceable and romantic 2. Take A Bow / Bedtime Story -keeps Madonna on the dance floor with great remixes of perhaps her greatest club hit ever while producing a striking song and video that will have pop, AC, and R&B appeal for sure while getting Madonna's message across perfectly 3. Survival -catchy, meaningful, but not too bitter or dark; short enough for lots of radio airplay & can be remixed for clubs 4. Forbidden Love -addictive, innovative, and will seem to continue Madonna's new "romantic" image just in time for spring 5. Don't Stop or I'd Rather Be Your Lover -since Me'Shell's duet with John Mellancamp was such a huge hit I think this could work. Otherwise radio will love to talk about how Madonna has returned to her roots with Don't Stop. I think that the people who think "Human Nature" will be released are misguided. Let's not forget the line "I'm not your bitch, don't hang your shit on me". If Madonna was going to release a song with "bitch" in it, she would've already done so with "Thief of Hearts", a more appealing song to the mainstream. "Human Nature" is very personal and experimental...though the whispering, foul language, jazzy/bass sound, and aggressiveness could fit in very well on "Erotica". This song would certainly be misunderstood and would undermine Madonna's new nicer girl image. Not a release for sure. I think "Sanctuary" also fits in this category. A wonderful song, one of the best on the album, but not commercial material. Madonna should know by now that people will not listen to songs about death (Oh Father and Bad Girl).. Personally, I would love these songs to be the releases: 1. Secret 2. Forbidden Love 3. Sanctuary 4. Inside of Me 5. Human Nature But I am not the shallow, Puritanical American public. Has anyone noticed that the song "Bedtime Story" is the only song in which Madonna never says the title. Isn't this ironic, being that it's the TITLE track of the album?! --- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 19:12:57 CST From: "Don't hang your sh*t on Baby Fish Mouth" <J372%NEMOMUS.BITNET (at) mitvma.mit.edu> Subject: Songs I Love >So far, the two songs i dislike the most from BS are I'd Rather Be Your >Lover, and Don't Stop. DS especially has kind of less than intelligent >lyrics. The rest of the album is incredible. So far, the two songs I like the most from "Bedtime Stories" are "I'd Rather Be Your Lover" and "Don't Stop." Both songs have the grooviest (that's just about the only word that applies...) beat on the album. By the way, I can think of a lot of "less than intelligent" songs by Madonna that happen to be THE BEST! --- (More later...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 where do you find this shyt mattress> fantastic!!! --- does anyone else love the slow grooviness of dont stop? i know its the one that usually gets worst song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 This is from an archive of the madonna@mit.edu mailing list. You have to sift through a lot of crap and classifieds ("I waited outside her house for three weeks! I LOVE YOU MADONNA!" and "I have this video to trade for such and such magazine" x 2,000,000) so I've been going through and cherry picking posts pertaining to Bedtime Stories. It makes for an interesting time capsule of both Madonna and of the early days of the internet. "Nobody is quite sure when the list started, though most think it began circa 1990-1991, when Madonna was cavorting on screen in Truth or Dare and in the video Justify My Love. In 1992, the list was called madonna@mit.edu, and it was run for the next three years by a student named Joe who saved it from being shut down. The message volume on the mailing list soon became a burden for some people as membership grew, so Joe created the Madonna Digest. In March, 1995, Joe left for graduate school, and turned the list over to Jim, then a student at the University of Michigan. He moved the mailing list to madonna@umich.edu—how appropriate, considering Madonna was once a student there. Automation of the lists finally came with the advent of mlvc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Seriously? God, it's like if it sounds like absolute shit, you just adore it. I mean... it just sounds BAD. I would like to hear a more polished version by Madonna. Gary Barlow's version = dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 This is from an archive of the madonna@mit.edu mailing list. You have to sift through a lot of crap and classifieds ("I waited outside her house for three weeks! I LOVE YOU MADONNA!" and "I have this video to trade for such and such magazine" x 2,000,000) so I've been going through and cherry picking posts pertaining to Bedtime Stories. It makes for an interesting time capsule of both Madonna and of the early days of the internet. "Nobody is quite sure when the list started, though most think it began circa 1990-1991, when Madonna was cavorting on screen in Truth or Dare and in the video Justify My Love. In 1992, the list was called madonna@mit.edu, and it was run for the next three years by a student named Joe who saved it from being shut down. The message volume on the mailing list soon became a burden for some people as membership grew, so Joe created the Madonna Digest. In March, 1995, Joe left for graduate school, and turned the list over to Jim, then a student at the University of Michigan. He moved the mailing list to madonna@umich.edu—how appropriate, considering Madonna was once a student there. Automation of the lists finally came with the advent of mlvc.org wow. i was sooooooooooo unaware of the internet in 90/91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 love wont wait is everything and so is this: mattress, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! Mattress, that is one of the most beautiful tour posters I have EVER seen! Superlative work! Thanks, all! acko made me do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 wow. i was sooooooooooo unaware of the internet in 90/91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Thanks, all! acko made me do it. make acko get me CREAM by prince live. hes making me keep a bedtime sig for a month!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 did you know of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ursaminorjim Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Seriously? God, it's like if it sounds like absolute shit, you just adore it. I mean... it just sounds BAD. What's shit about it? It's a total Bubblegum soul track, which I love. It's like The Three Degrees or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 did you know of it? Hell to the no. I became aware of it during Bedtime Stories... I remember the "Secret" message. I had limited access through school but not any real access of my own until around 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Hell to the no. I became aware of it during Bedtime Stories... I remember the "Secret" message. I had limited access through school but not any real access of my own until around 1997. wow, beditme stories is still sooooooooo early for me. i came around 99. had i known madonna was on the net, i would have gotten it so much earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Well at the time of these posts there were only around 500 websites. That's all. I think a lot of people probably learned about the internet through Warner Bros. early online efforts. They would get the brief mention on MTV news, and then they featured Madonna's page at the end of a big History Of Rock 'N' Roll documentary event in '94/'95. E-mail addresses (mostly AOL) and website addresses began appearing as part of album credits in 1995 and picked up throughout 1996... during this time they started manufacturing CD-roms with videos and wallpapers and this evolved into enhanced CDs/singles. It just kept growing and growing but it hit a new peak around 1998-1999 which is when computers became a little more affordable and AOL really put push behind their online services... remember all of the 2.0 crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Well at the time of these posts there were only around 500 websites. That's all. I think a lot of people probably learned about the internet through Warner Bros. early online efforts. They would get the brief mention on MTV news, and then they featured Madonna's page at the end of a big History Of Rock 'N' Roll documentary event in '94/'95. E-mail addresses (mostly AOL) and website addresses began appearing as part of album credits in 1995 and picked up throughout 1996... during this time they started manufacturing CD-roms with videos and wallpapers and this evolved into enhanced CDs/singles. It just kept growing and growing but it hit a new peak around 1998-1999 which is when computers became a little more affordable and AOL really put push behind their online services... remember all of the 2.0 crap? i do!!! and wow to all that, so cool. i still wished i had known. when i came to the internet and searched madonna i was so excited!!! i remember so vividly coming home from work early to see the msn music london performance. i was still on dial up and i was like, why is this so the worst and pausing? i was totally clueless about how it all worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 make acko get me CREAM by prince live. hes making me keep a bedtime sig for a month!!! I'm in on this too, you have to keep it. I love the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I love the new one. yeah, thanks. this was one of my favorite shoots of this period. love bettina (and max) * ill totally stay within the bedtime period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 i remember so vividly coming home from work early to see the msn music london performance. i was still on dial up and i was like, why is this so the worst and pausing? i was totally clueless about how it all worked. I'm still on dial up half of the time, so feel sorry for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I'm still on dial up half of the time, so feel sorry for me. really, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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