jonski43
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Exactly. She didn't come from Abba, Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder, Kraftwerk, Pet Shop Boys or Daft Punk. The only thing common between the first album and COADF is that neither have any ballads. And unlike HC, COADF shares no subject matters with the debut.
If you look at the press that came out for COADF, they pitched it as a return to her roots, not me. HC has been pitched as a more urban album like Bedtime Stores. Personally, I agree. I think HC is much closer to her roots than COADF and has much stronger songs.
However, from the general publics point of view, they just think she was a disco dolly and is so tied with gay culture that they perceive COADF is her roots. It's all about perception and I think that is why HC has not succeeded as it has been pitched the wrong way.
I think this will go down as another of her undiscovered classics like Erotica in a few years time.
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I wonder if she can make a video on her own...I´m sure she can, then she put´s in on youtube...and that´s it
In this day and age, why the hell doesn't she open it up to her fans to do something. There are some great videos put together by fans on youtube. Warner's even track fan videos on visitors and their locations so they are keeping track of what is going on.
The PR she could get with having a competition like that would be great, it would cost her nothing and would drive people to her site to see results!
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Yes, she is no longer relevant to younger generations. She's married with children and a hugely famous business woman which they can't identify with. The last time she was on Smash Hits cover, it was the lowest selling cover they had had.
Hung Up and 4 M proves she can shift large units of singles but that is based on the strength of it being a good song. An album is another matter. COADF was a success as it had a return to her disco roots. HC is equally as strong songwise but the urban direction doesn't sit well with the general consumers view of Madonna, hence poor sales. Same with AL.
Then again, she is an artist who wants to enjoy her music and she is still way more successful than most artists so I suppose she should enjoy making the music she wants, the way she wants. That is her 'artistic integrity'.
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I still think the dominance of Timbaland, Pharell, Kanye etc have detracted away from what is a good album of good pop songs. The lead single sets the tone for the whole album and I don't think 4 Minutes represents the rest of the songs. These artists are from a completely different genre to hers and I think it has put a lot of people off buying the album.
MA is a good song but with no support of a video it will probably tank. The tour's left Europe now so I think any potential interest has passed for the media to tie in with the hype.
The last nail in WB's marketing coffin.
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Way to go Pink! Good for her. I don't think much of some of her songs but I like her and this is a good one. And anything to wipe the smile of that ape Liam with his basin haircut.
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I think he is fitting into the easy listening bracket now. No longer pop, he is popular with the old ladies apparently. He is such a nice boy. The new Cliff Richard
His tour is selling well too.
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I think HC is a great album but I also think that people aren't interested in Madonna when she does things that seemed contrived or not Madonna. COADF was Madonna doing disco which is where she came from. AL and HC have suffered from her doing something either political or that seems a bit like trying too hard to get sales - ie: the urban take.
If she had dropped Kanye, Pharrel and Timberland and the whole bling thing and presented the songs just as pure pop with a different image, I think it would have seemed a lot less desperate to the general public and got more sales. She's all about being yourself but I think in this case, she wasn't and casual fans don't like that.
Just a thought so don't lynch me!
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oh right... That explains it. I wouldn't dismiss the Oasis fans though as they have a huge following in the UK. But Pink's song is pretty good. Not even heard Boyzone song so obviously got the thumbs down from Radio One and just getting commercial play.
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What chart are you using?
This is the current official chart on Radio One. Are you reading it right? Pink is No. 38 this week in her first week The Oasis single is out as a physical release this week. They will piss all over Pink I think, certainly their album sales will.
1
Kings Of Leon
Sex On Fire
2
Katy Perry
I Kissed A Girl
3
Rihanna
Disturbia
4
Pussycat Dolls
When I Grow Up
5
Iglu & Hartly
In This City
6
Gym Class Heroes Ft The Dream
Cookie Jar
7 NEW
James Morrison
You Make It Real
8 NEW
Sugababes
Girls
9
Ne-Yo
Miss Independent
10
Faith Hill
There You'll Be
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Beaten by Pink too. Bravo!
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Britney's celeb life is taking over from her music. Last year's tracks were the usual dirges about being famous. She needs to come back with a good pop song. People get bored of hearing how hard the stars' lives are like Robbie Williams.
I would like to see how many units she shifted of the last singles.
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the venue is huge. The seats right at the top of the gods nearly induced nosebleeds. You don't realise how steep it is until you walk it. I would not want to be up there if there was an emergency as people will trip and get trampled.
I had no idea she fluffed any of the lyrics as we could not hear them it was so muffled. I still don't quite understand why people who were standing in completely different sections of the venue think because they could hear and see ok, then everyone else could and they are just moaning for the sake of it. It's not like it was the Helen Keller School Outing.
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There must have been at least 50,000 people in the tiers and I doubt you have that many friends to have been seated in all areas of the tiers. And as I have said, LiveNation have now admitted there is a problem with SOME of the seating.
Get over it, lapdogs. This was one show where there were some technical hitches that have been acknowledged by the organisers and I was saying this may impact people going on to buy the HC album afterwards.
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I think the fact that Ticketmaster have posted on their website that they are now officially looking into the matter owing to the number of complaints probably means it was slightly more than 100 cry babies. Secondly, many thousands were stranded in London when the tube closed owing to a late start. I was making the point that a lot of casuals fans will not have had such a great experience and so I doubt they would want to go and purchase the album.
But you fucking retard twats seems to miss that point.
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the fact that she wheeled out the same backdrop as she used on Confessions for ROL really made me feel like it was money for old rope.
And Rain was just sound like someone kept turning on another radio whilst the Eurythmics was playing. It just didn't fit the song and the video was just pointless. It just gave the impression that the original song list and theme had been chopped about and some concept was dropped.
As for Britney in a lift? The news with her tied to stretcher was far better. Someone should have slipped her some more pills
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I read that Mariah's album has tanked globally and I haven't heard anything from it. As for Kylie, she's not had a decent song for years. I have no problem with her whatsoever so I am not biased. She is just lacking a good crossover hit.
As for HC in the UK, I imagine so many people had such a miserable experience at the London show that it's very unlikely that any positive sales will come out of it. Only the people in the GC and GA areas seemed to have a good show and they will have bought the CD.
Everyone else either had poor views, poor sound and may not have got on the tube afterwards or a combination of all three. Overall, it was such a monumental balls up by LiveNation that I doubt that many would want to waste anymore money on a CD.
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The main way to get album sales up is to get the songs onto adverts and tv shows now. Moby proved that with his Play album. The album wasn't doing great and then he allowed the songs to be used in ads and sales went through the roof.
Miles Away has done the same in Japan being used on a TV show's credits. The audience need to continually hear something to get the hook.
The tour should stimulate sales as most of the people attending are casual fans who want to see a show and mainly the old songs. So, it is a chance to showcase the new ones. On paper, the fact that you are showing news songs to a new audience should have a positive effect.
It used to in the 80s but that was when Madonna touring was a new thing. However, I have heard that itunes has killed album sales as you can now buy individual songs so nobody has to buy the fillers.
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I do participate in a number of online music forums so yes, & those fans don't complain even close to the amount that madonna fans do in regards to stadiums shows.
Perhaps that is because the other artists have staged better shows with better sound systems that give the audience a much better experience all round? Fans will complain no matter who they support, especially on the internet.
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It wasn't cold at all.
It was only at Like A Prayer that things livened up in the tiers. The Golden Circle people looked like they were having a good time but other than that, like most Madonna gigs, you are not close enough to feel engaged. You just take in the spectacle of the videos like at a theatre. I thought she didn't really speak that much between songs.
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Has there been a noticeable increase or spike now that the tour is in full swing?
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what those thieves need to sort out at itunes is the DRM. If I purchase a track, I expect to own a high quality version that I can play on any player I please and burn as many times as I like. Until those idiots at apple fix that, I won't even consider buying from them.
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I did, so you're WRONG
I must admit, that was the one outfit I thought was a wrong choice too but then she always tries and disassociates herself from that look even though it is still the most appropriate one for her even today!
She loves that 'cold hard cash'
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I would only do a Wembley gig if I get a ticket for the GC or GA so would go alone. A side view at Earls Court is ok. A side view at Wembley has a separate post code from the rest of the stage
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Disregarding the bad experience I had, overall, I think it is a good concert but not ground breaking or original.
I never liked Drowned World as an opener - I think you start a concert with a stomper not a ballad. Erotica also lacked a punch so Candy Store was better (although I saw little of it from my seat)
Human Nature was a let down. The video was just Britney trapped in a lift on CCTV. It made no poignant comment.
Borderline was good but she should have made it more of a sing song and got the audience involved.
Vogue was great - a real highlight
Into The Groove and Music also lacked a real punch considering they are both iconic hits. WTG and BA performance were superior
Rain - truly pointless as it wasn't her song and seemed to be just plonked randomly in the show
Heartbeat - can't even remember it really
She's Not Me - sorry but the 'old looks' thing is 10 years old. She should have had Britney, Kylie, Xtina and Mariah as a cheeky piss take. I am fed up with her trying to say she is still current and rejecting her old looks.
Spanish Lesson - could have been remixed with something else to liven it up
Miles Away - just like the audience's attention
La Isla Bonita - I can forgive her for repeating this performance as it is good
You Must Love Me - great vocals and another highlight showing she can sing
Get Stupid - embarrassing cliched images of politicians and all that is wrong with the world
Like A Prayer - Stunning - the last highlight of the show that got the crowd finally standing up
4M, Hung Up, Ray of Light - all of these just seemed like recycled performances which would have been ok 15 years ago but now that you can see everything on youtube, it's just lazy.
GI2M - a good choice to end of but lacked a real final punch but I did live before it finished to get the tube - which turned out to be a very good idea.
Overall, a good show in comparison to a lot of artists but she recycled so many ideas the originality was very poor. Choreography was the usual you see on any one-hit wonder dance pop hit which she needs to drop. Good pop fun but if she is going to knock out three more tours she is going to have to seriously find some new creative directors or even get brother involved again as we had seen most of this before in various incarnations.
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Certainly in Britain, I think there are a lot of casual fans attending. Where I was there were loads. Big concerts by artists like Madonna are seen as a kind of event like a theatre play. They know they will get a lot of hits (hopefully!) so will be guaranteed a pretty good show.
Madonna always used to tour after an album was released for a while so more people would know her new stuff. I think we are likely to see more album sales in countries where she has not toured so often like in Latin America.