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Donna's hit years were pretty close to a decade. Love To Love You Baby was 1975 and She Works Hard was 1983. In between them, 1981 (a year she recorded an album that was shelved until 1996) was the only year she didn't have a big hit in between, so that was a nice eight year career that withstood the death of disco. The homophobia rumor probably kept her from doing better for the rest of the 80's, pretty much every interview she gave around 1989 had her talking about how she's not homophobic, etc...
I think Timbaland's beats could be compared to SAW. There's certain things (especially in 4 Minutes and Devil... you even hear it in the beats for Miles Away) that completely reek of Timbaland and you could tell it was him even if you didn't know, just like how SAW had certain things that were common in all their productions.
I understand you hate HC and love Loose, FS/LS and other Timbo collabs with other artists over the years. So if you admittedly LOVE that sound, why is it so awful when it pops up on a Madonna album? It would SEEM that when a producer who's sound you love pairs up with one of your favorite artists that it would be a match made in heaven. I'm not trying to pick seriously....but it just comes across that you hate HC simply because it shares production similarities with albums you're already familiar with and the fact that anybody who turns on the radio on their daily commute to work would be able to point out "hey that's a Timbo song".....and honestly that's how many fans' opinions of the album come across. It seems to have less to do with the quality of the music and more with the familiarity of the production and the fact that it's MADONNA singing on it. And some feel Madonna is always supposed to "stand out" from the Top 40 crowd, not quietly blend in as was the case with 4M. It seems like it's ok for her to "ripoff" people as long as that sound isn't what's hot on the US radio airwaves at the time of the "ripoff". Otherwise you should have the problem of Madonna sounding like "this person and that person" with every album she has released. Sure finding a WO album in '98 or a Mirwais album in 2000 to hear what she "ripped off" on ROL and Music may not be as easy as simply turning on the radio in '94 or '08 to hear the songs she 'ripped off" on BS and HC. Either way though, if that is truly the big gripe about HC.....that it's a ripoff and she's copying others..... is a ripoff not a ripoff any which way you cut it?
I mean is it officially a "ripoff" only when the sound is hugely popular on the radio?? I just don't understand all of these rules some fans put in place for music. Quite frankly it's all a bit odd to me. I know I'm the loon and all but geez.....all of these regulations sound far loonier than myself and others genuinely enjoying a current sounding Madonna album and not worrying that a drum beat in 4M sounds like a drum beat on Glow by Nelly F or the straws some were grasping at a while back saying Miles Away is a ripoff of Gwens Real Thing.....when it's ONE LINE....."you're a salty water ocean wave...." is SLIGHTLY reminiscent of the way she sings "I just woke up from a fuzzy dream.." in MA. I mean some of you just can't be serious with this shit right?
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Quoted for truth.
I was a huge fan of Loose, FutureSex/LoveSounds and his work with Aaliyah, so I really was interested when I heard M was working with Timbaland. Same with some of Pharrell's productions. I love me some good r&b, HC IMO was not good r&b just like Cher's Believe (Living Proof yes, Believe no) was not good dance music IMO. The people who swear up and down that HC is great and everyone who doesn't like it are circuit queens probably don't even have a Mary J. Blige album in their collection. THAT is good female r&b IMO, HC isn't. So aren't the closedminded ones the ones who don't have any female r&b albums that date past Rhythm Nation or Whitney to compare with, not the gay men who like female r&b but thought HC was mediocre and beneath Madonna?
I don't think she was trying to make an R&B album, which is exactly why it is indeed not a good R&B album. It seems she went in with the intent on making a current sounding R&B influenced pop album....which are the same intentions she had soundwise for BS...... and that's what she did. It seems some fans simply have a bias against M doing stuff that is current and popular. If you LOVE Loose and FS/LS and claim that HC is a ripoff of those, then you should find at least SOME redeeming quality in HC and not consider it "beneath" M.
Of course you are going to hear similarites in Nelly, Justin and Madonna's albums because they were all done with the same producers in the same era and she specifically wanted that sound. But really what specific JT, Nelly, Gwen, MC song is She's Not Me ripping off? Or how about Incredible?? BGO? Dance 2night? As I said obviously there is similarity in production. But these supposed blatant ripoffs I'm just not hearing. DWRY and SL perhaps production wise but I can't match any of the others with the song that they are supposed to be ripping off.
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No, but "Devil wouldn't recognize you" is all but a rewrite of "Rehab," "What comes around" and "Cry me a river."
Production wise they are similar. But that's what is current, that's the sound she obviously was going for. She's still not ripping herself off though. Up until HC she hadn't done the R&B/Pop sound of the 00's in her work.
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But... isn't HC that you love so a 'throwback' to her early years? I mean she IS from Detroit and all. And people thought she was BLACK! And isn't Devil a reheated Justin/Nelly track? So I guess it's fair to say Madonna has CHANGED HER MIND.
The mood and vibe of the songs on HC is a throwback to her early years songs. "Nothings gonna stop me"....."when I dance I feel free"......"on and on the beat goes"......the playfulness of CS....Dance 2night.....all feel more at home with the playful spunkiness of M/LAV/TB albums than her last few albums where everything was darker and more serious. It's a "throwback" in terms of the style of music, people considered "Madonna" R&B/Pop at the time and people consider HC R&B/pop now.
It's the mood, the tone, the spirit and some lyrics of HC that harkens back more to the early days more than the actual production values. Can you name a song from HC that you feel is a blatant ripoff of a song on Madonna or LAV?? Good luck with that....
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Her output from ROL-COADF seems to have made it easy for people to put Madonna in this euro-disco "box".
That's not her. She's moved on from Orbit, Mirwais and Price....aside from a few one offs here and there in the future, it's safe to say their time in the sun with Madonna is DONE. How people can interpret this as bad blood between Madonna and Stuart baffles me, especially considering he JUST did a remix for her latest single.
. Trust and believe if there was animosity between them, his remix wouldn't have made the single. In fact Stuart has been around (not as a producer the whole time of course) for longer than most. 8 years now they have had a professional relationship. She's doing what she always does. She uses them and moves on to the next sound SHE WANTS to do. Madonna has moved on soundwise, maybe her fans need to do the same.....or just play ROL, Music, AL and COADF and enjoy the way it USED to be.
And not to be rude because I actually like some of Savage Garden's work but his whole mentality that she should go and work with the hot producers she's worked with in the past is probably the very same mentality that made his own career stall a bit. What was it M said to Shep? "I don't care how hot something is you can't do the same thing twice......EVER!"
So once again I have to say THANK GOD Madonna DOES NOT listen to her fans.
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Madonna Tribe was 100% accurate with the 2008 setlist and they revealed it almost 2 months before the tour start, so I'd say this info is definitely true as well.
In the forum, one of the webmasters said that "Holiday" is replacing a Hard Candy song but "DYU" is replacing and old song, so all the "Spanish Lesson" haters can stop, because she's not gonna do a Gypsy version of "Holiday".
I'd say "Holiday" will (unfortunately) be the last song again while "Dress You Up" is replacing "Borderline". That's the simplest change and neither of them were huge EU hits anyway. I wish she replaced "Human Nature" but that way the Britney video would have been scrapped and I'm not sure Madonna wants that, especially since the DVD will include the original show anyway.
I really hope they keep SL. Her performance was kick ass on that song live. I HOPE HN is replaced but I think you are right that it will end up being Borderline that gets the boot. What a shame!!
I wish they could put something in place of 4M. That just doesn't work well live IMO but of course it's her latest hit so that has to stay. After GI2M would seem the only place that Holiday would really fit??
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I'm pretty sure if she does DYU it will be a rock version with her on guitar. She should replace HN with that.
And add Holiday at the end after GI2M. The crowd went bananas when Holiday came on at the end of the show. Many hung around for a moment thinking she was going to perform it at the shows I went to.
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I've always liked her vocals on this song. Her voice sounds so warm.
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Lady's Home Journal and Vanity Fair were photoshoots, not real life. Of course Madonna isn't lady of the manor, any more than she is a cowgirl, or a soldier, or a prize fighter. I don't see how that is relevant.
If you have alot invested in it, you can put together a plausible case that the activities and images of this era are part of a continuum running throughout Madonna's life and career, and her 'homemaking' phase was the real aberration. In the same way you can say that Hard Candy was a glorious celebration reminiscent of her early albums, flushing out all the dull pretensions and preachiness of what went in between. There is evidence we can point to supporting these arguments, but to actually believe it? Surely in our heart of hearts, none of us do, not if we're real fans. Because it is based on an utterly superficial reading of what made that early era so special. Does anyone really think the youthful force and irresistable energy of Madonna's Everybody or Into The Groove vocal is replicated successfully by her screeching through Incredible -even though that was aparently the desired effect? Does nobody see the difference between Madonna's desperate strip tease of doom with a fully clothed Justin Timberlake in 4 minutes and the majestically dark sexuality of The Girly Show and the daring of Sex? It's a parody of who she used to be.
See this is where I think some fans completely overreact. The music of the era, the images of the era, the tour, her persona this era....all = having fun. That is the theme. Nothing deep or dark. She KNOWS she's still sexy so yeah she flaunts it cuz she can (which btw is why she flaunted it in the Sex era too..cuz she could).....what's wrong with that? And how many other 50 year old pop stars out there can do it and be successful at it still. The whole "sexy" thing was HER schtick to begin with anyways so she can gratuitously prance in her underwear in GI2M if she wants. The music of HC indeed has the youthful exuberance (with a grown up twist.... because hey she's NOT 25) as her early albums do which is precisely why I like it so much. The whole vibe of the album has a youthful exuberance and it's inspiring to see and hear that from a 50 year old woman. It makes 50 not look so bad and MAYBE it's actually something to look forward to instead of the beginning of the end as many think of it.
People hold the Sex/Girlie Show era on this untouchable pedestal but bottom line is this: AT THAT TIME many people DID consider Madonna a joke....far more than now. Many thought her whole "flirtation with the edge" was cute and sexy throughout the 80's....the Boy Toy belt.....the pointy bras....even JML was acceptable to many. But after that many thought she'd basically become a cariacture of herself with the 1-2-3 punch of E/Sex/BOE. All the mystery and mystique she had built around herself up until that point was gone and that was a big part of her appeal. For many it was justification that she was just a "bimbo" who wanted to take her clothes off to shock and make money, not unlike a typical porn star.
I realize many around here became fans during a "deep" period of Madonna's career. But EVERY SINGLE THING she does, doesn't have to be. This era is a HUGE breath of fresh air for me because quite frankly I missed the old sassy, crazy Madonna of yore who just wanted to sing a catchy pop song and prance around. It had been far too long since "carefree" Madonna made an appearance. And I do recall fans bitching earlier in the decade about how "boring" she had become, so just like with most things, she can't please everybody with each incarnation.
I think you could have a valid point about her "parodying" herself if this were 2015 and she were on the MTV Awards making out with a Jonas brother and about to launch leg 4 of the Stickier and Sweeter tour. Now though....this is just another era. Why does everything have to have some deep meaning to it? She's freshly divorced and just turned 50. To me, for a woman like Madonna, everything that has gone on the past year seems completely organic considering the circumstances of her life the past year.
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Nothing would surprise me now.
Madonna and her baby's bottom face and veiny arms and her average looking brazilian handbag and black babies and last years RnB producers and twittering and Tracey Anderson and being a ridiculous billboard for Louis Vuitton's latest hideously jarring outfits.
It's all too ghastly for words.
I found it FAR more ridiculous to see MADONNA (yes the tabloid terror...."express yourself"...crotch grab...vogue....Sex book....says whatever the fuck she wants...yes HER) pictured demurely feeding chickens in the English countryside in a long flowing teacher's skirt or posing atop a horse regally with her husband....it all seemed very contrived. In fact many things during her "Lady Of The Manor" phase I could only roll my eyes and think "girl is that REALLY you" (not so much professionally)....I know she changes all the time, but sorry parts of that era to me just didn't seem genuine in the least. Nonetheless though, that's who she was at that time. As "hideous" and "ridiculous" as you may find all of her recent endeavors.....pre "Lady Of The Manor" this would all be considered NORMAL.....hell probably even TAME by her standards at the time. She's even back with her VERY well known favorite flavor: YOUNG, LATIN MEN!
SERIOUSLY now....this is a woman who was hitch hiking nude down a freeway at 35 years old, one of the most narcissistic celebrities to ever be......how did you REALLY think she was going to age...come on now...
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Didn't people say the same about "4 Minutes" and Flo Rida's "Elevator"? They said Madonna would be ridiculed because of having a song that sounds like something else currently out there and no way she could have a huge hit with it. And while "Elevator" did moderately...
That's true. 4 Minutes completely overshadowed Elevator, outside of here I never read/heard anything about Madonna "ripping off Flo Rida" or what not. I'm sure there will be more interest in a brand new, lead single from a Madonna album than a nearly 2 year old 4th single from Britney's album (and isn't this the second time Radar has been released??). Still though, I think by the time we hear the Madonna incarnation of this track that it will be reworked somewhat. Really the only part so far that REALLY reminds me of Radar is the beginning, after that it sounds like about 10 other "hot" songs out at the moment. And that's not a bad thing! This track sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun if it comes to be.
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I think this song will be a hit for whoever ends up recording it. It's extremely catchy. Yeah, the Radar similarities are undeniable, but Radar is a good song itself anyways. Hopefully they will do something to switch it up a bit though since Radar is indeed being released very soon. I can DEFINITELY hear Madonna singing those lyrics though. So if she adds a verse does that mean she'll be the first name listed on the writing credits even though it seems most of the lyrics have been written??
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This would be more convincing if you didn't sound like a Madonna press release.
Perhaps. But all I know is the first time I heard Hot As Ice and heard her "handlin my bidness...holla if ya hear meh....caaaan I get a witness?" I couldn't help but chuckle....it was like the prissy bitch at school trying to be "down" with the hard kids to try to get some cred.
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Yes, I've been saying this all along, just that the Oakenfold tracks are also probably part of her "now", same fun and dance stuff, just the Euro club vibe.
It makes sense that way. Save a new sound for a new album and image. Like you said before, something COADF like with Oakenfold and then something HC like with Frank E.
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Aww poor Kurt is Hurt. There there.
OK....so it's completely organic for a little, white, southern baptist girl from Lousiana who we first saw be-bopping on stage with her fellow Mouseketeers, to work with hot, urban producers like Danja and Pharrell while singing about how she "be handlin my bidness....holla if ya hear meh" and "lemme see ya bounce".
But it's completely unnatural for a woman who grew up in Detroit during the peak of the Motown craze who's first songs were played on R&B radio stations because they thought she was a black artist, to DARE touch anything remotely urban oriented at this stage in her career? Because GSM says she's too old. That's logical.
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Maybe SHAWNNA is MADONNAS new GHETTO DIVA nickname like BEYONCE has SASHA FIERCE so she can appear even more 'down' and 'hip'.
While you've been busy spinning and twirling in the glittery, fairy dust of every useless disco dolly to hit the scene since '00 (all the while claiming how brilliant they are.....
) Shawnna came on the scene and has had a couple of minor hits. I know....with the underlying hint of racism in your post that lyrics like this coming from the mouth of a black woman may make you hide under the bed:S-H-A to the W double N-A
Real bitch don't play
Your eyes can't hide what your lips won't say
You're acting like the Dukes of the Fifth won't spray
It's okay, they gon learn
Chi's most wanted bitch wait your turn!
Sac full of yum I'm a make that burn
Y'all can't smoke none anyway
Wild ones, walk wit a bitch through wild slums
Trying to figure out if they're scared of the hips or the chips
Or they really can't talk to a bitch wit wild guns
No games, hat to the side wit low frame
Now I came in this industry killin em
Now they all feeling me, sipping on Henny wit an O and a gram!
I know it's a long way from the brilliance posted below.....welcome back to your comfort zone dear
:I'm sorry, oh so sorry, can't you give me one more chance to make it all up to you.
E-mail my heart and say our love will never die
and that I know you're out there and I know that you still care.
Email me back and say our love will stay alive.
Forever, Email my heart.
Brit jus handlin her bidness so holla if ya hear her.
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The only part that sounds like Madonna somewhat to me is when she sings "revolver" and at the end of the clip when she's singing "die" as the song cuts off it kind of sounds like her. Doesn't sound too much like her otherwise IMO.
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I've liked maybe 3 Lil Wayne songs, but a friend was playing his album and being that I'm not a HUGE fan of Hip-Hop I have to say for a HIP-HOP album his sounded ok. It wasn't as "run of the mill" as others I've heard in recent years. I'm no Lil Wayne fan though and Lollipop could very well be one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard.
However, I'm completely open to hearing this. Again, the same suspects are up in arms before hearing anything and that is simply because some don't want her working with ANYBODY current and popular and then add the whole "hip-hop" thing into it and it's just too much for some...lol. Let's face it, as much as some of you PRETEND to be down with Hip-Hop/R&B for the sake of defending your arguments as to why she shouldn't work with this or that person, the bottom line is most Madonna fans ARE NOT major Hip-Hop/R&B lovers.
I'm only excited because it's a new Madonna track. I don't who she's working with. I'll hear it and love it or leave it. Unlike some I haven't already made up my mind that it's trash. I do hope that this will be the final nail in the coffin for some M fans and that this will completely drive some that are fed up with her because of HC out of here for good.
It's unexpected things like this that make me like and RESPECT HER MORE AS AN ARTIST (
) because she will STILL "go there" when she knows most of her fans aren't neccesarily fans of this type of stuff. Not to mention the Hip-Hop fans who must be ready to slit their wrists at this point....LOL....I LOVE IT!!I just hope it decent....if it's real of course.
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I loved Bedtime Stories but the headcleanr mixes sucked beyond belief. If I wanted to hear a rock chick, I'll buy Alanis Morrisette or some other winey-assed chick.
That's kind of how I feel about the album, just replace the "rock chick" with "Lilith Fair sounding chick"....lol. If I want Sheryl Crow or Jewel singing sweet, campfire side songs I will listen to them. That's NOT what I go to Madonna for! But.....M is an artist, she does what she wants and it's cool that she has the balls to even do that sound....so for that I gotta give her props. Unfortunately, for me, it wasn't as pleasureable to the ears as her previous and post efforts.
A for effort though! C for the actual execution!
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Madonna may have jeopardised her chances of adopting a second Malawian child after sporting a “slut look” at an event, sparking speculation about her morality.
The Queen of Pop, who has been trying to adopt four-year-old Mercy James, turned up at the red carpet in a navy blue wench-inspired mini, kinky thigh-high PVC boots, and jewelled black fingerless gloves.
While fashion experts said that the singer looked like “a slutty cleaning lady”, Mercy’s father James Kambewa dubbed her racy outfit as “immoral dressing”.
“I cannot imagine how this woman can want to be the mother of my Mercy. This can’t be a woman of 50. A teenage woman would feel ashamed in that gear,” the ‘Daily Star’ quoted him as saying.
“A woman is supposed to be a role model for her daughters. What morals can a woman of 50 have, who has no qualms in showing her delicate parts and displaying herself like that in front of her children?
“I don’t want my daughter anywhere near such a moral-less person,” he added.
Madonna’s adoption bid had been rejected by a court because she was not a Malawi resident, a requirement that was waived when she adopted three-year-old David Banda from the African country in 2006.
The 50-year-old’s lawyer had lodged an appeal to overturn the judge’s decision.
Says the person who got a 13 or 14 year old girl pregnant and when she died dumped the baby in an orphanage. Don't think he's one to speak of morals.
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Overall AL is very half-assed to me but it does have gems:
American Life
Hollywood
I'm So Stupid
Nobody Knows Me
Mother and Father
Die Another Day
Easy Ride
If there was a time Madonna was hated musically by many it would be AL as evidenced by it's sales and non existent airplay of most singles and generally mediocre reviews. Even most of the fans didn't like it at the time. It had it's few supporters of course (which have seemed to grow over the years) but as a long time Madonna fan I don't remember an album receiving such a seemingly unanimous disdain as AL got upon it's release. Even "The Kiss" couldn't help save this one.
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She got what she wanted. People are talking about her and only about her (well, maybe they are talking about boring Heidi Klum and her pregnancy too). Who were the other guests there again? Furthermore if people don´t like what she was wearing, that´s their problem. She were actually the only one wearing something that came the closest to the topic of the evening. The rest simply paled in comparison.
Anyway, the most gorgeous woman of the evening was Anne Hathaway. Simply flawless.
Exactly. And although I don't think it would be something to wear out and about, Rihanna's ensemble emobdied the topic of the evening very well too I think. I could see it being ridiculous if this were an actual "black tie" affair.....like Oscar's-ish or something....but dissing her look here is kind of like dissing a costume she would wear to Purim.
OTT is kind of the point. I do like the throwback to the 80's with the gloves, cross and I guess the thing on her head could be the modern day equivalent to the tights she used to tie up in her ratty head.
Fun stuff, I'm loving how she's wacky again lately. After she was photographed feeding chickens in an outfit my 2nd grade teacher would've worn I thought this Madonna was gone forever....glad she is not! -
PERFECTION!
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Some of the Dick Tracy stuff is cheesy, but she's in character for most of that so it kind of fits. Other than that I can only think of Jimmy Jimmy and LMTWGR
New Madonna Song?
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HELL YEAH!! Let us hear this shit M!!! WE ARE READY!!!