neutrocks
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6 minutes ago, peter said:
Madonna commented to Rolling Stone that she wasn’t interested in division among female artists — she “had a plan” — which I assume was the BIM video, and the welcoming of many female stars during UB on the RHT, and sharing the stage with T. Swift at the I Heart Radio Music Awards, etc.
Furthermore, around the time of M calling BTW “reductive” (*not* calling LG reductive, by the way) she also was on other shows and interviews like Graham Norton saying nice things about LG. So, yes, Madonna has put positivity out there. And no, I am not saying Beyoncé should have done this hours ago or something. I have no idea if she knows about this yet or not. But if the media are already reporting on it, I have to think she’s be asked. (Of course, others have said she doesn’t *do* interviews, right? So, whatever.)
I think what seems strange to me is some think artists should speak up for specific things that fans or more likely trolls who like to misinterpret things. It's one thing to put a positive message out there to show you support other artists, but Madonna has never addressed any specific misinterpretation of another artist, so why expect other artists do the same of her? Most of these entertainers know that some people are going to misinterpret and hate on them. They refuse to spend much time addressing that unless they are directly asked about it.
Beyonce' has a lot of respect for Madonna, so I'm sure if she was in an interview and asked about her, she would speak highly of her. I think that alone should clear up any misconceptions. To acknowledge something of this sort is going to be pretty insignificant as time goes by!
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10 minutes ago, peter said:
Sure, it’s a fan problem, but I don’t see how an artist addressing their fans (telling them to chill) makes it worse...? I guess I just haven’t seen that scenario play out. I tend to think if Beyoncé would address it by saying they are business partners in Tidal, they respect each other as artists and parents, and Madonna clearly was re-posting fan art with humor (notice the lol?) — and calling fans not to be divisive or mean-spirited — I am not sure why that would be so bad?
This situation is NOT equal (because Madonna is NOTHING like Elton), but when Elton John was being all cranky and nasty to Madonna publicly and repeatedly, Madonna always used humor and grace to say how much she respects him as a songwriter and how she forgives him. I mean, that’s taking the high road. Surely Beyoncé could do the same (or better) considering she is not being abused verbally in any way and is not on the receiving end of such mean-spiritedness as Madonna was in Elton’s attacks.
I don't disagree with artists fanning the fire, but let's think about it... who really does it? Madonna doesn't? When fans go off on other artists in Madonna's favor, she doesn't say anything. And chances are, Beyonce' has no idea what transpired with Madonna's post. Has she even responded to Madonna even posting the photoshopped image?
It's not the artist's responsibility to clear up what other people misinterpret. Madonna has defended herself a few times when people have misinterpret her, but I've never seen her chime in when other fan bases have misinterpreted anything between her and another artist. The closest we got is with Lady Gaga when she appeared on SNL with Lady Gaga. In the end, that only just fueled the feud people had between Madonna and Lady Gaga!
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Is it Beyonce' the problem or those who follow her? I just can't imagine her having an issue with what Madonna posted, and some fans who follow who either hate Madonna or find any way to twist into a race issue are making this an issue. A lot of artists just don't get involved in the fan nonsense. A lot of times when they say something to hope to squash the nonsense, it only makes things worse.
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Well, I feel this thread is completely derailed, and I'm not going to help matters, but why was "The Carters" video pulled?
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8 minutes ago, adirondak said:
I think these gay fanbase wars are one reason why female pop has suffered dramatically. The general public wants no part of the idiocy.
I have to agree. It's quite embarrassing.
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Just now, sul8323 said:
You have a good point. History was many moons and marketing strategies ago. So much of her early work needs remastering. Streaming M is complicated as the decades worth of material is volume challenged. Like a Prayer would be a great start. So many iconic albums that lay in wait.
Well, I have to think that "Like A Prayer" (the song) tends to be universally loved, so my thinking is that something might be in the works to actually do something with this album's anniversary. Again, wishful thinking!
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1 minute ago, Jazzy Jan said:
She should NOT have changed it. Learning from the master is a phrase and term of speech that nothing to do wiith racism. I would rather her put an explaination to the " beehive" on her Instagram on what terms, phrases and figures of speech are and let them stew in their stupidity and false outrage.
These 2 guys on the ET clip sadly demonstrate how ignorant and stupid people are who are now being hired to report or talk on tv shows. Their ignorance and wrong assumptions are laughable and not in a good way.
I do agree with you. And unfortunately, those who don't follow Madonna and the younger generation have no idea who Madonna is, so they believe this crap that is said on these shows.
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3 minutes ago, sul8323 said:
Could a two disc (1st- Greatest Hits) (2nd- new album) work marketing wise?
Michael Jackson released History that way and I really enjoyed both "Book 1" and "Book 2" Maybe a remastered Immaculate Collection with Dress you Up, True Blue and Who's that Girl added?
Just ideas. I am just thinking of a way to market new material to the masses that worship her imperialistic past.
Greatest Hits really do not sell well in this time. If the songs were actually remastered, maybe, but other than that, what's the difference than just slapping on what's already out there?
It would be cool if she could market it with the anniversary release of Like A Prayer, but we know that won't happen. Part of me was thinking (more like hoping), that the whole Met Gala was actually filmed and she would release it next year with an Like a Prayer anniversary set, but since she didn't do anything much for her previous albums anniversary releases, it's just wishful thinking.
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14 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:
Melania has well and truly shot herself in the foot with this. I know of several people who actually felt pity for her for being married to Trump and thought she was not the same ethically and morally to him. They have been disgusted in this and rightly so. Now, everybody knows that she is just as heartless and flippant. Wearing this jacket would have to be the most stupid thing she could do and has completely shown her up. Also, nobody believes that this was to do with the so called Fake News Media. It does not even make sense to think that because her evil husband talks about the "fake news media" all the time - of course they care what they say. Stupid way of trying to save face and it won't wash with anyone.
Unfortunately, she is getting a pass on this. I agree it's quite tone deaf to wear this even if she really was wearing it to send a message to the press. It appears she's worn it again today.
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I never was a huge fan of the song, but I thought the video was awesome and the remixes are fantastic!!!
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49 minutes ago, Magician said:
LOL to that Tinkerbell trying to find shade in this and both thinking she actually photoshopped this. WOW! I'm sure it didn't even cross her mind people would insinuate "master" in her post as being racist. So then she removes the word and people are still trying to bash her for it. Obviously, anyone making that connection has not been paying attention to Madonna and her career for the last 35 years. What next? Gays are going to call her homophobic? LOL!
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7 minutes ago, Nikki said:
just check the App Store and click on update if you can.. but you should see a little icon on instagram or get the app here for now if it's not working
Ha! I think that I inadvertently already updated it, but had no idea that was what it was. I'll have to check it out more. It must only be available on Mobile devices only? Thanks for the info.
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Just now, Nikki said:
it's IGTV. instagram tv. M can upload videos up until an hour and I believe they can stay there until she removes them. update your instagram or get the app.. I hate to sound like an advertiser but it gives M many more opportunities again to take use out of social media tools that actually can benefit her.
No no! I appreciate it. I had no idea. How do you update it for IGTV? I have an instagram account.
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24 minutes ago, Plasticlimbo said:
I so now want to listen to "This Used To Be My Playground" now.
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11 minutes ago, Nikki said:
OMG guys check her IGTV! such a lovely (older) video of madonna and david singing "falling in love with you". whenever david makes a mistake, she points it out. she has a good ear for instruments which I didn't know about.
https://instagram.com/tv/BkTne13hBqh/
omg and stop about the belly! stop being such critical gays about it!
I'm confused @Nikki ? Where is this coming from and how is this now a 3 min video when Instagram doesn't allow such a video length? I only recall a much shorter version of this?
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29 minutes ago, DesperatelySeekingJacky said:
That's hilarious... She will likely pay dust to this album when it does come out. I'm so curious what it's going to sound like without M. Wouldn't it be iconic if (Dear) Jessie was somehow featured on it? Like "Dear Madonna, I'm grown af now" lol Hopefully it comes out before M14 so we have something to whet our appetites.
What he's teased on Instagram, I am not impressed with. The piano interpretations are fine, but computer bleeps and such he's done with the songs, I don't have much interest in. Though, I'll give it a listen when it comes out. Maybe I'll like it? Lol!
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2 minutes ago, Kim said:
Well it sounds more than far fetched to me. If you want to believe that Madonna either didn't sign off on the final design of her album or that some employee took it upon themselves to flip an image on finalized and approved artwork without asking anyone, and apparently did the same on indoor displays, standees, print media etc, then that's up to you. A "mistake" of course that hasn't been fixed anywhere else in the world apart from the USA
If you ever come across this mtv news item that seemed to think an upside down madonna photo on a reissue of an album was so important (in 1995 no less) that they reported on it, feel free to post.
Hmm? I think there's some miscommunication going on here? I didn't say Madonna "didn't sign off on the final design of her album, or that some employee took it upon themselves to flip the image". I simply stated, the report I recall hearing from MTV NEWS is when it went to press, it was assumed that it was upside down, and that's when someone took it upon themselves and turned her right side up. That to me isn't far fetched. And I'm sorry you don't believe me and are trying to condescend me. But in the U.S., MTV used to have a news break every hour or so within their broadcasting. It was during one of the News breaks, I recall there was a mention of the mistake. Whether it was something that important or not, isn't the point since up until the late 90's, MTV reported pretty much every fart or sneeze she made.
Anyway, it's a ridiculous argument to have here, so I'm moving on unless someone can chime in with a respectful reply without trying to undermine another.
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7 minutes ago, Kim said:
Your original contribution (posting the correct photograph of the first US pressing) was fine. The possible misinformation that followed (a report from MTV that doesn't seem to have been replicated anywhere else) got a follow up from me. Again, we do not know why they flipped it and changed the MADONNA font to make it thicker and darker and obvious that it was a Madonna album for US consumers only...or maybe we do.
To me, it doesn't sound too far fetched, nor did I feel as if I was misinforming anyone since it was reported on MTV NEWS back in the day. I don't see why Kurt Loder/MTV would just make that up. But who knows? I was just sharing what I knew and maybe someone else can corroborate it.
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13 minutes ago, Kim said:
Correct, although the subsequent edit you made is just ridiculous. We have no concrete evidence as to why the US PRESSING ONLY was flipped on it's subsequent pressings, although everyone has their theories.
The very idea that Madonna "submitted a photograph" and did not oversee the many design stages and mock ups of her own album, not to mention the host of advertising, magazine covers and promo that utilized the same imagery is ludicrous, or indeed that a "mistake" would not have been fixed elsewhere in subsequent pressings. Yes the photograph is 'upside down' (depending on what perspective you choose) but it does not indicate a mistake, especially as it's actually much more aesthetically pleasing in its original incarnation anyway, wrong way round or not.
What's with the backhanded compliment? I was simply adding my two cents. If I incorrectly recalled what MTV NEWS reported back then, then I apologize. Though, I specifically recall Kurt Loder of MTV NEWS stating that Madonna intended the image of her to be upside down, and when it went to press, they thought it was a mistake and flipped it right side up. I'm a little baffled why you chose to respond to me in this way when I was offering something I recalled from back in the day? I wasn't offering some outrageous theory! As you stated to "Ladyplus", "I lived it!" Whether what Kurt reported was true or not, I guess it's anyone's guess, but that's what was reported at the time in 1994.
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Not to step on any toes here, but I just took a picture of my original BEDTIMES STORIES CD which I bought in 1994 in the U.S. on the day of it's release:
Shortly after the album's release, I recall MTV reported, the original pressing printed the covers wrong. Madonna submitted the image of her to be intentionally upside down, but Warners assumed it was a mistake and flipped it. Future pressings were of the way Madonna intended which was her upside down! @Ladyplus
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22 minutes ago, KalamazooJay said:
This is....real. I thought it was #FakeNews because, I mean, she’s not that stupid. Right? They’re not that tone deaf.
But she is and they are. Her publicist responded that it’s “just a jacket”.
These fucking people..........
WOW! So I purposely chose a FOX report on this to see their point of view:
So if anyone is trying to say, "let's focus on the issues, not her wardrobe", then why the hell wear something that says something like that. I mean, c'mon? What do you think people are going to think after what's gone down with the Immigration issue: Children being taken away from their parents? You can't expect people aren't going to NOT say anything about this. Who goes around wearing something like that if they don't want people to talk about it?
Up until now, I just thought Melania was just a naive puppet in all of this, but no more.
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5 minutes ago, juliebean said:
it's very creepy specially since they are minors. Since they tag Madonna in every post you would think she would have it taken down?
I do agree that it's creepy to have a social media account on any celebrity's kid. At the same time, most all that is posted are pics that Madonna herself or someone close to her have posted. Does this make it anymore right? No! Because the "Cicconetwins" is almost acting as if they are speaking from the Twins point of view. That's just downright creepy!
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15 minutes ago, ULIZOS said:
I know people repeatedly say that Madonna is extremely hands on, but I seriously doubt she's THAT involved. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine Madonna sitting in a room for hours coming up with plans on manipulating the system so she can be number 1 on the charts.
I'm sure it's more like Guy telling her he has it under control and then bam she has a number 2 and she says WTF Guy and he says "non-traditional promo" and she says "I like that, here's another million".
Sorry, I don't buy that. I do think she's "hands on" much everything she does. Though, in a sense you're right about the fact she's not sitting around thinking of ways for album to go #1, etc, nor do I think Guy is either. He's her business manager. He's just one part of the management team. I'm sure many suggestions are thrown around to promote her products and she ultimately chooses which way to go. Certainly, I am not naive to think, she isn't influenced by what others say. But that's how it works. She's no dummy. She knows what she's doing, and I don't believe for a second she's forced to do anything she doesn't want to do. I know a lot of people hate Guy here, but I'm pretty indifferent about him. No doubt, he's part of the family. He's not going anywhere, anytime soon. He may not be perfect, but ultimately Madonna is in charge here!
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41 minutes ago, Starman said:
She wont change her look anymore... its blond curls
I agree. As @Katypatra, we might get variations, but she's not going to make any drastic changes to color or her length. I personally think she looks her best with long blonde hair. Older people usually gravitate to shorter hair. She's yet again, refraining from conventional stereotypes of people her age. At this point, if she's looking to drastically change her hair, it will be through wigs.
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Well, I don't disagree with any of this, but I'm not going to expect Beyonce' to speak up just like I never expected Madonna to speak up for any specific artist. Madonna has made a lot of general statements, but unfortunately being an older artist that becomes lost on younger generations. I would think the fanbase would be able to help spread who Madonna is, rather expect other artists to speak up for. After all, it's the fans who make these artists. A lot of people tend to have prejudices against entertainers, and this silly war between fan bases do not help. I honestly don't care who started it, but it just seems it won't stop unless fans rise above it. Why not let our fan base make that rise, rather get sucked into fan wars. Social Media tends to cultivate a lot of this negativity among artists, so why not use it to our advantage? Anyway, that's just my two cents. I know some will slap back with other comments regarding other artists or who started what, but in the end it solves nothing and we are back at point zero, expecting someone to say something.