bardo
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31 minutes ago, bb8977 said:
Agreed but when you take those sales into account along with roughly 50% of sales coming from ticket redemption it paints a very different picture...
how many people are really buying multiple copies? a few hundred? the ticket redemption is another story, but even then these are fans who are paying hundreds and even thousands of dollars on concert tickets. surely they'd happily drop $10 on a CD.
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13 minutes ago, Ai Papi Si. said:
I'll tell you how I know.
In 2008 I was 22 years old and after he stumbled upon me online (via means we won't get into!) he thought I was cute. So he hit me up. We chatted. At the time, Madonna was doing Sticky & Sweet and I talked about how I wanted to go to the show. That's when he showed his Stan chops.
His knowledge of Madonna is as intricate and as obsessive as yours or mine. He knows every album, project, moment, quote, whatever. He of course loves Erotica, Bedtime Stories. He told me! He thought she was kinda losing her cool at the time though, trashing Hard Candy and basically saying that she was getting desperate and old.
My theory? He stopped liking her once she decided to lean into her age, whether it was wearing outfits that showcased her olympian body, singing with young acts like Timberlake, dating young men like Jesus. Madonna stopped playing the game of settling for middle-aged sunsetting, and it wasn't for him. He resents her boldness and her willingness to be hated. Like most provincial people that hate women like Madonna. And look, Madonna is zany and her references are weird and she's not exactly anyone's idea of PC. I get that the persona isn't for everyone. But what exactly is so horrible about this album other than the fact that she didn't give him remixes of her debut album or another Stuart Price affair? He can't seem to decide himself. He doesn't know what to make of her and it frustrates him so he just decides she sucks so her music sucks.
Look at Mariah. She's settled into being just as much a niche act as Madonna, but her lack of ambition is pathetic in its brazenness. That's why he hates Madonna now. But trust me, loves Madonna, the concept, the symbol, the idea. He still Stans for it. She's just not doing it his way.
interesting. since this is getting personal (i have a story of my own), i tried to message you privately but i'm not allowed to for some reason. maybe i haven't been a forum member long enough or is that a bug?
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3 minutes ago, Ai Papi Si. said:
I actually think Rich loves Madonna but he's one of those guys who only likes to view her through one lens - a fan who is kinda living in the past in other words. The fact that likes Mariah Carey is kinda cringe and weird since she makes music that pretty much the entire universe knows is pretty bad, but serves a purpose in showcasing Mariah's admittedly great voice (but again, if you wanna talk about someone who needs to hang it up... look no further than her. Her voice is gone and that's all she really had to sell her really generic music). But it's irrelevant. He loves Madonna, and FOR THAT REASON, he does not need to be reviewing Madonna albums. It's wholly inappropriate and goes to what @bardo just said. Madonna never had a chance. All parties came into this with an agenda.
i don't know where you got that he loves madonna. he doesn't even like her. he likes some of her 80s dance stuff. but he even gave that a back-handed compliment in this review.
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yup. rich is a mariah stan. he doesn't even like "vogue" all that much. and he trashed confessions on his blog back in the day. OF COURSE that's who reviewed the album for pitchfork. it never even had a fucking chance.
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4 hours ago, Logan said:
I have my iPad streaming from Apple Music 24/7!
wouldn't this be triggered as a bot and be disqualified?
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as with most lead singles, i've heard "medellin" so much that it's hard to be objective. but if i had to base it on how i remember feeling after hearing them all for the first time, i think i liked "soltera" best. long term, "medellin" will probably win out though.
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15 minutes ago, Nikki said:
i want to see the rest of this!
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8 minutes ago, headonfire said:
One thought I keep coming to is that I'm pretty convinced M wanted to release God Control as the first single, and Interscope pushed against it, and that's why we got Medellin as the beginning of Madame X's journey.
My reasoning for this is that God Control was the first video shot back in February. Then when the rumours about Eurovision started to spread, there were repeated mentions that Eurovision were not in agreement with the performance of one of the songs, which they said was political and controversial. And then, we got Future.
All of this leads me to believe that we got Medellin (single), I Rise (promo), Crave (single), Future (promo) and Dark Ballet (promo) as part of the release strategy because: 1) there's nothing controversial about any of the songs; 2) the features might appeal to different segments of the market; 3) and each of these songs showcase the diversity and experimental nature of the record.
I think the era has been faultless, and I have loved every single thing, but can't help wonder how it would have started if we got God Control as the first single.
yup. i wonder too. i'd forgotten about the eurovision rumor, but it all seems to make sense. i'm just glad it's being released, regardless of when.
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4 minutes ago, boy skeffington said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/bruce-springsteen-and-madonna-are-subcultures-now/2019/06/17/d0834560-910c-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html?utm_term=.a0bb7076f160 This review is ridiculous towards both artists...as if they have nothing to offer.
it's also poorly researched because bruce recently did a long residency on broadway (something madonna should do!) and madonna is doing residency-style shows in various cities this fall. not sure why these residencies need to happen in vegas only. other cities allow people who can't travel to see them.
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4 minutes ago, Sjewell88 said:
I honestly love her for this. She’s chosen controversy and provocation her whole career but this isn’t just putting some burning crosses on a lawn, kissing a black saint or saying fuck on Letterman a bunch times just to rile people up. This is serious commentary about a fucked up society (America) that chooses guns over the public’s safety over and over again. Clearly it’s an issue she cares about deeply and she’s using her platform and her art to try to affect change. How brave and fucking badass!! And all to a delicious pulsing disco beat!
this was a serious commentary about a fucked up society (america) with a long history of racism that hasn't improved much in the last 30 years.
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2 hours ago, Ai Papi Si. said:
The easiest way to describe Pitchfork is that it's a pretentious, self-serving hipster music blog that somehow caught on and became one of the more prestigious outlets for album reviews. They've become important enough to launch careers. The ego of that website and the people on it is something to behold. They get off on being hailed as the most discerning eyes in music.
Most intelligent people see right through them.
i would add that the site was originally focused solely on indie-rock and was run by straight hipster guys. and i've never thought they were very good writers. the site historically looked down on pop music, with a few exceptions (you had to be "indie" or not be embraced by the mainstream - think robyn, lykke li, charli xcx). madonna was basically ignored for the first 10 years of the site's existence. they published "best of the 80s" and "best of the 90s" lists and aside from "like a virgin" they pretended she didn't exist. they started covering more pop around the time of hard candy, which of course was when it became cool to just shit on everything she did and they stepped up. since then they've been bought by conde nast (huge publisher in america) so they've started covering more mainstream stuff. so not covering madame x would be weird. they could surprise us. a 7/10 would be a big deal, but it wouldn't help her metacritic score.
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16 minutes ago, MadFan said:
OMG! I am SHOOK.
It's all very smart and meta isn't it? She'll be dancing to her own song about gun control and then a shooting will take place (probably).
Why shouldn't she reference Pulse? This is coming out at Pride. 50 people in a gay club were shot to death and America has done FUCK ALL about it. Needless to mention all the other daily mass shootings. No pussyfooting around here.
exactly. she has nothing to lose.
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1 minute ago, ricardoanaya1102 said:
I can’t believe she’s releasing this! It gives me Deeper And Deeper vibes! So excited. Any idea when it’s out? My guess is this Friday or Thursday
my guess is next week.
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oh no what if they ban her from radio?
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1 minute ago, material_boy said:
Bruce's whole fanbase fits into a single demographic (white, male, Baby Boomers), and that sort of demographic homogeny has been true since he first hit the big time. It's easy to hold a fanbase like that together over the years and get them to keep buying whatever shit you turn out. (See also: U2, the Rolling Stones, and many other big rock acts.) M doesn't have a fanbase like that. It's more like she has a coalition of fans who've come to her at different stages of her career, and come to expect different things from her as a result. The 80s post-disco pop princess with the punk attitude, the living legend blond bombshell pop queen, the house queen with the fuck-authority and fuck-your-expectations S&M dominatrix look and attitude, the R&B crooner, the techno spiritualist mother of the year, etc. etc. Different eras of her career have appealed to appealed to different genders, races, and generations. It's really difficult to sustain that over time, and part of what makes her sustained megastardom so remarkable.
exactly!
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let's hope it stays that way. nothing good can come of a pitchfork review.
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5 minutes ago, Shane said:
Whereas I can understand people not loving Bitch I’m Loca (I think it’s fun), it’s hard for me to get people not liking Faz Gostoso. What a blast of rhythm and melody that just carries you away. A little bit of fun amidst the dark and thrilling beauty of Madame X.
it's my least favorite song on the album. it's catchy but i find the vocals grating and it just doesn't feel like a madonna song to me at all (which it isn't). it seems like it's getting a great response so i'm glad about that though!
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1. madame x
2. mdna
3. hard candy
4. rebel heart
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2 hours ago, material_boy said:
I couldn't agree with this more. They be great bonus tracks tacked on a deluxe version, but the album has a much stronger flow without them in the middle there. I created a playlist without them (and "Future," which is the only song I actually don't like on the album) and it's just perfect.
those are my three least favorites too. i like "bitch i'm loca" best of the three, but it doesn't quite fit the album's tone and feels like a bonus track to me. i would swap it out with "ciao bella," which would flow really well into "i don't search i find."
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35 minutes ago, Flip The Switch said:
So we got a brilliant album with no mixing problems this time around right? If there’s any I can’t notice.
just the pop right before every time she sings "my cravings get dangerous."
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as much as i enjoy "i don't search i find," "god control" is more original and innovative. i love hearing the 90s vibe, but i could just as easily go listen to erotica. "god control" sounds like nothing she's ever done before.
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1 hour ago, Klasu said:
We can always try to understand at least.
If they had chosen I Don't Search..., I think that Madonna would have been criticized for riding on nostalgia or something. It was better to go with something totally unexpected, which Medéllin was at least for me.
god control would have fit that bill too though. it's something totally new and unexpected but would also galvanize fans. i think featured artists are always going to help streaming (for the album) even if they're not released as singles.
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3 minutes ago, karbatal said:
I have a feeling that her lips will be sawn (is that the correct verb form?) just like on the album cover. In my opinion she can finally express herself when the euphoric part kicks.
exactly. she enunciates so clearly on songs like "extreme occident" so it obviously has purpose and i think it adds to the effect of what she's singing. can't wait for the video.
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10 minutes ago, Crystal Coffin said:
Some fans can love RH all they want and I too love many INDIVIDUAL songs there myself, I consider "Devil Pray", "Best Night", "Inside Out" to be some of her best works of all-time but the ALBUM, as a whole, is nowhere near Madame X in terms of being a well-constructed musical edifice.
RH is like a disjointed heretic temple that does offer many enjoyable spots, but has many problematic ones too, it's patchy and needs to be renovated. I actually hate "HeartBrokeShitty" or whatever the way it should be spelled and "Body Shop" is completely vomit-inducing. I had to delete many songs and basically was forced to create an album with songs they provided, it's like they gave you the materials, and you had to construct the building on your own.
i agree about the album as a whole but i love body shop. the vocals and production are great. it's a precursor to come alive. and i think the lyrics are cute/clever.
Pitchfork (s)hit-job review
in ARCHIVE - The MADAME X Forum
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i agree. attacking rich will only allow him to claim to be a victim of madonna's horrible fans. but even respectful messages to pitchfork will do absolutely nothing. share your anger on here but emails and tweets will go unread or ignored. i know it's tempting, but it won't have any impact on their editorial process.
your energy is better spent retweeting positive reviews or posting your own on social media.