Katypatra
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2 hours ago, peter said:
This thread has been exhausting...
Clearly this writer had access for DAYS given the amount of behind the scenes details she discusses (BBMA *rehearsals* and backstage at the GLAAD ceremony), not to mention access to Madonna’s home and inner circle of friends, associates, and staff.
The more I thought about it, the more I remembered an unexpected undercurrent in the story. The writer’s unvoiced (at the time) comment about Madonna’s use of the word “rape” definitely jumped out at me during my first read. (I’ve only read it once in full.) But, upon reflection, all the mentions of “fearing” Madonna, the “work on her face” (which implies perhaps more than what Madonna has availed herself of), the “control” (of the lighting, the media, etc.), calling her a cactus, all the aging focus (even after Madonna told her she emphasizes it too much), pointing out Madonna’s privilege as a mother vs her own ... there’s more. Little mentions come back here and there, and I think, “Hmm...”
I feel the author may very well be devastated, and I feel a little bad for her. I think if I were assigned this task, I might very well fall short of Madonna’s expectations, too. It’s hard for a fan, I think. If the journalist weren’t a fan, this reaction might not sting. “I just hope she’s in a safe place when she hears about it.”
There were some real indulgences taken by the author, writing about her own upbringing and talking about her mother’s involvement in that community of artists and such. It’s a little outside the scope?
I wonder if the author’s question near the beginning — about whether she should take her coat off — is telling, too... Perhaps she herself thought this wasn’t going to go well. Had she been sent with the assignment to excavate the “Madonna at 60” angle and already felt the trepidation of having to push that beyond what Madonna really wanted to focus on. The interviewer “felt uncomfortable” with discussing any topic other than motherhood ... ? Madonna “lost her” when she started talking religious viewpoints and discussing paradoxes. Perhaps Madonna expected more of that discussion and less about the things Madonna considered trivial (like how shiny her tea kettle was).
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Re: Harvey Weinstein ... his response conveniently did NOT quote the part where M said she wasn’t gloating about anyone’s demise... she just saw some comfort in seeing someone being held accountable when they’d abused their power — and I think that is to her credit. It’s curious that he just quotes a lot of her song titles and doesn’t really swipe back. The end is a little bit of a jab, but not vicious.
Exactly!! The thing that pissed me off is the portrayal of Madonna as some scary, overly controlling stone hearted bitch, like everyone around Madonna was afraid of her, when in reality Madonna is actually quiet goofy, with a silly sense of humor and a very spiritual outlook on life. Before some of you start wanting to correct me tho, yes, she is a hardworking woman, so of course she demends responcibility from people she works with. But the way this writer conveyed it, was very superficial and flat! And again, pointing out how her double is so much younger, then indicating again that Madonna is 60, then mentioning her double’s ethnicity, as if those things matter!! They fucking don’t!! And even after being confronted by Madonna for focusing on age too much, she STARTS THE DAMN ARTICLE WITH AGEIST REMARKS!!
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59 minutes ago, Amelia said:
I think that's part of the reason she is pissed. According to Madonna, the author spent several hours with her and then pretty much printed very little conversation with Madonna, while talking about herself, how she felt interviewing Madonna or concentrating on superficial nonsense such as Madonna dealing with aging.
I felt from the start of the article, reading through it, there was a lot missing. I just wish the author shared more of the actual conversations she had with Madonna.
This!!! And again, bringing up the Madonna doubles was unnecessary and confusing! Pointing out how one of the doubles was Asian AND also younger. Omg really? Younger? Wow!
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20 minutes ago, YannBouch said:
Back when she was sane you know haha
I’ve erased season 8 from my memory so
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1 minute ago, YannBouch said:
In a odd way it kinda of a tribute to Daenerys
Oooooh!!! I like!
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1 hour ago, acko said:
As @karbatal pointed out.. There was a lot of second hand information. But I always find American journalists to be overbearing or too present.. I don't agree with this cultivated cachet that somehow they are 'writers'.. You're a journalist and a reporter... So don't get carried away.. And focus on the Q&A. I couldn't give a fucks ass if the bird wanted 2 bond over motherhood.. I come away with nothing as a reader.
Either way M had basically the same problem with the Vanity Fair 'story' for Hard Candy. Now bring on that 12 page NME interview or just call me @Guyoseary.
Agreed!!
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2 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:
Well, considering the writer praised her a lot, I fail to see why we should all have to be angry because she dared to bring up what every single other writer brings up in every other article going - and actually defended Madonna for it. Differences of opinion are vital though and I respect your views. I did not find the article offensive and I adore Madonna above all other celebrities by a country mile. Was far more offended at Quavo diminishing her artistry and saying his Mother liked her and not even naming a solo song of hers as his favourite before performing with her on a huge event.
We can't all complain non stop that others talk of Madonna's age all the time and then get stuck into a writer for tackling that topic head on - and also praising Madonna for rising above it. Society IS like that. Women's ages are always bought up - all the time. It is something women do talk about because it is such an issue in life for women - all women.
True that. I gotta say, I didn’t read the whole article, just the beginning of it, and I was thrown off by it.
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The way some of you are defending the writer failing to see where she went wrong only proves that there is yet much work to be done. I guess you can’t fix society.
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7 minutes ago, Jazzy Jan said:
Sorry but can't see the logic in this at all. Rape is rape - Madonna can use it how she wants but saying you can "own" a word is bizarre.
She meant that she owns the right to say that not in a sense that it belongs to her, but that she’s been through it and can therefore use it as an analogy.
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I mean M is so right! Sorry if I’m repeating myself but, was it necessary to focus on the “younger” double? And her ethnicity? And talking about M’s age again?
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I don’t understand what was the point in starting the article on how Madonna was staring at a double Madonna who was younger? Then again, mentioning that she’s 60! Jesus!! And then go on talking about the fake Madonnas running up on the stage. WTH? It’s too confusing, especially for those readers who haven’t watched the Billboard award performance. It gave an impression that Madonna can’t dance herself and needs a double or something. And really, who cares??? Just give us what Madonna wanted to convey in this interview! The writer made it seem like Madonna was some old, cold figure whom everyone around was afraid of. No wonder M hated this article!
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This song gave me so much hope for the album!! I’m so excited that Madonna is full on 100% expressing her art this time around! This album is deep and obviously not for everyone! Not for people with limited mindsets. This is EPIC!
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12 hours ago, jonur said:
To me this was the perfect way to describe it! Because that's literally what happened to me with the first 4 songs! Literally. Thanks for putting into words!
Thank you for actually reading it,
and you’re so welcome
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7 hours ago, Je5u5 said:
Same.
Thank you
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I love this so much
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Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make a gif of the part of the video when Swae Lee sings “I gave you a sensation”.
He’s so adorable.
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2 hours ago, Voguerista said:
Think again. I like @Katypatra !
Thsnk you darling! You are one of several members on here who is emotionally intelligent and interesting to converse with. I always like to read your posts. As for Clear Coffin, I guess if someone wants to disagree with that toxic forum member one must remind them that they love them first
I’m not here for that.
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2 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:
Please put me on your ignore list thanks
What? Lol Are you ok? I doubt I talked to you much. And if this is how you react to people who disagree with you, you shouldn’t be on forums buddy.
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10 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:
Sonically, I see it as the more intelligent sister of "Best Friend", if that makes any sense
Not at all.
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3 minutes ago, Shane said:
I’m intrigued by the fact that so many reviews are focusing on the lyrics of Killers Who Are Partying, but we still have no clue what style of music the song features, tempo, pace, etc.
They’re triggered by those lyrics cuz they ain’t woke aka awakened! Lol Madonna’s message in this is obviously about how we are all ONE and that unless we all come together and end suffering, there won’t be peace on earth. But these dumb reviewers don’t get it, not even a tiny bit, as they misread the lyrics and try to shade M for such “outrageous” writing. How dare she put Islam and Israel together in the same context!!
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5 minutes ago, Andra said:
Haha, those 2 legendary icons MAKE the show. They are the reason people watch it. Madonna is the perfect combination of BOTH of them. The Game of Pop would be NOTHING without her.
p.s: I remember M is a Daenerys stan tho.
Well, they butchered Danny’s character. The show ended extremely rushed and disappointing. Unfortunately.
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2 minutes ago, side_streets said:
It's not a review. It's their stupid article from April when Madonna released the album teaser.
Don’t they realize that the majority of people who would bother to read their article on Madonna are her fucking fans????? How absolutely ignorant to be this nasty disrespectful! Is there a way to confront this dickhead?
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18 hours ago, rocknrolla said:
A 3 star review is not good, it is a score of 60 out of 100.
Omg they gave Confessions 3.5!! Why do you care what they think?? And ROL deserved a 5+ not a 4
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4 hours ago, the-queen said:
I am not reading any reviews. I will read them after I’ve actually listened to the album myself.
I would NEVER want some passive aggressive or a half ass review influence my first impression of the album!! So I’m with you on this all the way!
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8 hours ago, Kilt said:
IMHO, half of MDNA aged badly, so im 100% sure that MX will be light years better than the 2012 album.
Madame X is ahead of its time!!! That’s why we’re all taken aback a bit upon first listens. It’s almost like wtf is that?? But then we start to catch on, like ok, I see you!!! And then we’re obsessed! That happened to me with EVERY song so far, including Medellín and especially Future.
The progression of the songs, the sound engendering, the production, all have super experimental qualities. Even M’s voice sounds almost like out of this world. Not really what we’re used to. But when it’s all put together, as weird as it sounds, the songs do come across like they're visiting us from the future. And we’ve only heard 4 songs! Lol
I’m thrilled!!!!
Madonna for New York Times Mag (Madonna NOT happy)
in ARCHIVE - The MADAME X Forum
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Ok but besides that, isn’t Madonna so much more? Or does the world just NEED to focus on her being 60 and controlling??
Just look at the way she is raising her children! That actually speaks volumes! Her tenderness AND vulnerability are unquestionable. Her love for art, freedom, humanity, peace, and dare I say GOD Himself! Where is all that?
How long are we going to push the Madonna is a bitch stereotype? If I ever had that privilege to meet her and interview her, I’d dig deeper into the woman that she truly is. I’d have her open her heart to me with trust because my agenda wouldn’t come from a place of superficial, ageist, predictable journalism! How can anyone call that dreadful, pretentious article nice is beyond me!
p.s. I liked what you said, I’m just farther expending my point of view on this article