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    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

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    I am not saying people have to suck her dick, but the CONSTANT bashing by many outlets that want Bernie, and their on the fence attitude if they will vote for her or not makes me want to pull my hair out....If I had hair!!!!!

    The difference between Hillary and Bernie is small compared to the difference between Hillary, Trump and Cruz. I think it is so selfish at this point right now for people to A. Not vote if it isn't Bernie, or B. Waste a vote on a 3rd party that stands no chance. Gee I am glad these people will be able to sleep at night knowing they didn't vote for the lesser of two "evils". I just cant wait until their nightmare begins during that sleep when a Trump or Cruz is elected because of it, and by the time they wake up and smell reality it's too damn late.

    At least Cenk on The Young Turks has said he will be voting for Hillary no matter what even if he has to hold his nose because the alternative is too scary, but then you have morons on their telling the viewers, "Well if you live in a solid blue state where Trump doesn't stand a chance anyway, I see no reason why you shouldn't sit home and not vote if you want to." EARTH TO MORON!!!!!! There are still things like Senate and House seats up for grabs in many of these places!!! Wouldn't a better message be, even if you are in a blue state that normally votes blue for Presidential elections you still need to get your ass out there to vote to make sure if a dem wins he or she has a Congress they can actually work with?

    And I do hope people hold Hillary accountable. I do hope her feet are held to the fire on a lot of issues she has gone left on. One of them being the minimum wage. Yes out of the BLUE the other night she went from supporting an increase to 12 dollars to an increase to 15. Well good. Welcome to the Fight for 15 that has been going on for awhile now. Hold her ass accountable on this issue now and many others.

    I am not saying we cant pick out flaws, but urging people to not vote or waste your vote on someone who doesn't stand a chance is so irresponsible to me. Save playing with your votes until we have republican nominees for President that aren't so ass backwards and crazy as hell in the future.

    To be fair, her support for $15 minimum wage on a state level has been her position for a while. Her support of $12 on a national level is because anything upwards of $12 could do more harm than good for certain states. Bernie said the other day that he hadn't even read her policy platforms yet so I'm not surprised he didn't know she was already in favour of $15.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    What the fuck does that mean? A safety net for what? In case the people all across the entire nation choose a person that the DNC doesn't like after months of voting?

    It's corrupt.

    It's like saying... we (the Oligarchy) ALWAYS have the power to change the voice of the people (as a safety net, mind you).

    It's total bullshit.

    Just because it's never happened doesn't mean it can't.

    Hillary will have the votes on her own this election. It doesn't mean the superdelegate system isn't shit.

    I did just answer this...

    For example, the John Edwards scandal coming out right before the Democratic convention in 2008. If he had been the front runner being ahead in delegates, super delegates would have been able to put their weight behind Obama or Clinton to avoid the disaster that would have occurred with Edwards as nominee.

    If you want info about super delegates, ask Bernie's media adviser Tad Devine who helped create them.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

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    I'm very aware she's winning now. I think the superdelegate system is total shit. I thought it in 2008, and I think the same way now.

    She's winning either way. I just don't think we should have a system where the people don't decide the outcome FULLY.

    The nominating process for both the Democrats and the Republicans is corrupt.

    Not really, superdelegates have never gone against the people's choice. They're a safety net.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    You said that in response to Hillary getting the nominee.

    You are correct that it isn't set in stone. Their actual vote totals are close (the superdelegates not so much).

    Nothing is set in stone. You were right; I was wrong. I still think Hillary will get the nominee. I still hope that some of Bernie's ideas like single payer healthcare will influence any future Presidents and Congress Members.

    However, nothing is set in stone (especially with superdelegates, who aren't bound to vote for the people they represent).

    The vote totals aren't anywhere near close. Hillary has a 14% lead with 2.4 million more votes than Sanders.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

    Posted

    So he said she wasn't qualified, big deal. I thought this woman was supposed to have a thick skin. Campaigns routinely say much harsher stuff than that. Am I missing something. Getting offended at Bernie, gimme a break.

    The big picture problem with what he said is it would be used against her by Republicans in the General Election. There's also the visual of an old man telling a woman with a long and varied career resume that she is "not qualified". That will work against his campaign and I've already seem some of supporters switch to Hillary because of those comments he made about her qualifications.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    In hindsight, this will be looked back on as the moment that cost Sanders any chance of winning the nomination. Similar to what happened with Rick Lazio in the September 2000 debate for the New York senate. There's no coming back from what he said, not to mention it was based on a lie about Clinton. It's so obvious that it was a terrible, personal thing to say that will only work in Clinton's favour. It's almost unbelievable that he would personally attack such a highly admired Democratic figure within the party and amongst democratic voters with all these closed primaries coming up. With her home state coming up no less!

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    1st Bernie "momentum wave": Iowa tie & New Hampshire Landslide

    Lost "momentum": when Hillary won Nevada and had landslide victories in SC and on Super Tuesday

    2nd Bernie "momentum" wave: winning a few caucuses and then the Michigan upset

    Lost "momentum": when Hillary swept 5/5 states

    3rd "momentum" wave: Won with big Margins in 5 caucuses

    Lost "momentum": Yet to happen, but Hillary's big win in Arizona was a bad loss for Sanders

    Momentum for him seems to be winning mostly small, white caucus states. He's only won 4 primaries of which one was his home state, another was his neighbouring state, Michigan was very close making Oklahoma his biggest primary win and that was only by 11 points. Hillary just keeps coming back bigger and stronger. Hillary on the other hand has won 16 primaries with a mix of open,semi and closed.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    The super delegates can still decide later for Bernie, no? At least that's what I understood. If so he can still get some of those from her.

    I don't see the incentive for them to swap from Hillary, especially if she comes out with more delegates. For starters, she's raised millions for down-the-ballot candidate dem races whereas Bernie has raised $0 for them despite him pledging he would. It's also no secret that the Democrats are not particularly fond of him, and him saying recently that he only ran as a dem for media coverage probably did him no favours.

    American 2016 Presidential Election thread part three

    in Politics and World Events

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    I believe Wisconsin (the next moderately large contest) is an OPEN primary like Michigan, although it might be a very tight race. Sanders will probably win that one, and he'll win the Wyoming caucus too, even though it's closed. NY is Hillary's next chance to shut him down but it's an eternity away - April 19. If Sanders can somehow make NY competitive in the next few weeks - like a 51% to 49% loss - I might get worried. The longer this thing goes on, the more damage he can do to Hillary in the general.

    I find it interesting that Elizabeth Warren hasn't endorsed either candidate yet. Bernie should be a shoe-in for her. She says she will endorse someone, but she's obviously waiting to see if Sanders can catch up.

    I'm probably throwing caution to the wind by saying this, but I don't see how he comes close in NY. It's her home states, she was an extremely popular senator who in her 2006 re-election campaign, won all but 4 of New York's 62 counties. She also significantly beat Obama there in 2008. Atm she has a 50-point lead and the state's demographics are so diverse that I don't think Sanders can overcome that.

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