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    Eurovision (part 34939338 Zzzzzzzz....)

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    16 minutes ago, JWAD said:

    No one cares about the vocals at the EMAs because Hung Up delivered a killer, joyful performance and the song was great. She wowed them with brilliant choreography and looked amazing. Eurovision was not any of this. Awful choreography/clunky, awkward outfit/a twat on stage with her/singing off key/lacklustre, joyless Casio version of a classic/new song which is great but got a lukewarm reception. Had she come out and done the MDNA version with joy and smiling, she would have been forgiven for dodgy notes. The political message would have still been there at the end but all we got was dark throughout with no light, no joy, this is why people are so disappointed. She had a real chance to wow the non-diehards and instead she put them off. Then she uploaded a doctored version of the performance on YouTube, this is the worse thing she could have done. Roll on the rest of the promo and the new album, looks like it's gonna be great judging by the listening party...

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    EUROVISION! The aftermath!

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    1 hour ago, bcx said:

    She’s going to have ups and downs. But there are a lot more downs at this stage of her career. It’s painful for all of us, I’m sure, and painful for her. But she’s got to crack the whip on her team, and she’s got to make some smart decisions going forward. And she will. The tour will be grand. They always are. The press will love the tour, her vocals will be great, and we’ll forget mostly about this. But we’ve got to make it through the promo phase. That’s the scariest part. 

    In my opinion, her recent years team is a bunch of Yes People and that's the type that can do serious damage to one's success. A perfect example is the Aretha tribute speech; hours before she went to the MTV, she posted an Instagram muted video where they were doing her hair, make-up, etc, and she was reading what she would say (the paper with the speech text could be seen). Now, how come no one told her: "M, I believe that your speech is full of good intentions, but as it is it sounds a little bit self-absorbed, it's too much about you and too little about her. Maybe you could balance it more so that a backfire scenario won't happen."? No one told her this? Or maybe they did and she didn't care? Who knows. The truth is that it backfired badly and it did her image no good at all. One can say "who cares, she survived all of that, etc", but the legacy of these poorly planned situations (Aretha, Eurovision) is nothing but negativity. Madonna goes there, do her stuff and obtains little to none positivity in the end.

    1 hour ago, Kim said:

    They don't understand that this was a MOMENT in Madonna European history, Her first prime time Saturday night slot in decades in some cases, in many countries in front of hundreds of millions of viewers wondering what Madonna's been up to these last few years.

    It hasn't gone down as a moment because of the obscured "political message" which btw, had zero impact until the very social media these people are decrying highlighted it (the real political moment of the night was of course  the Icelanders who boldly pulled out Palestinian scarfs and held them aloft during the voting)

    As @CzarnaWisnia has rightly pointed out, anyone looking to a pop star for political guidance (and who's above voting age) probably has serious issues. Most of us love Madonna for her artistry (which, yes, occasionally touches upon very basic political ideals) 

    What it has gone down as is a messy performance. Now that's rare from Madonna at the best of times but frankly inexcusable at a mammoth event on the eve of your new album roll out. You get one shot at this kind of thing. Yeah we can watch back 20 times and say "well that bit was good, that line sounded okay".but it doesn't work like that.

    A lot of us here were quite rightly sad and upset that our friends, family, personal social media streams (ie not trolls) and respectable news outlets noted how bad she sang, how stiff she was and what an awful choice of song and collaborator she chose to get her message across. The "message" didn't even come into it really.  Now when that's the reaction from the 'normal' populace then you can bet your life the social media and media response is gonna be what it was,

    So for those who don't understand it, well of course you don't. Try showing a little empathy towards fans in other territories instead of the usual derision and apoplectic, apologetic, victim playing nonsense.

    Yes it has passed, yes social media storms come and go, but the real-world remaining effect is that it went from "Is she on yet? Where's Madonna? What's she gonna sing?" to "She's not very good is she?". 

    This!

    And I find it funny that some fans make no big deal about the missing opportunity that was Eurovision and are now focused on Pride in NYC as if such event will do anything for Madonna (get the general public back, give her a good public image, etc). Will it be broadcast for 200 millions of people of different nationalities at the same time? I mean, for all I know, Pride is something just local and isn't even broadcast, am I right? The only events on the league of Eurovision are the Superbowl and mayyybe the World Cup and Olympics closing. As @Kim said, this was a once in a lifetime opportunity, so every scenario should have been thought for it to be a success; but, to be frank, we are very lucky that a 2015 Brits situation didn't happen again, cuz God knows what a video game final level the whole thing looked like: 60yo, innumerable stairs to go up and down, an eye patch to not see straight, heavy clothes to limit the moves, accessories asking for a wardrobe malfunction, a lifeless version of a classic that everyone loves, a non-single, I repeat, a non-single to promote a new album and a featuring guest that no one knows in Europe and that she had to take care for how much lost he looked like. It's amazing what an Herculean task it all was and how in the end the vocals were the only thing that went wrong. Madonna is a pro, there's definitely no doubt about it.

    EUROVISION! The aftermath!

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    6 minutes ago, karbatal said:

    That's what she's ALWAYS done. She's not what you want her to be in terms of PR. Accept it! She's never released absurd jokes or comments after Pepsi or LAP or Sex or whatever. She moves on!  

    Maybe cuz back then Madonna had Liz Rosenberg who could do damage control in a blink of an eye from backstage. Now she have who?

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    EUROVISION! The aftermath!

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    3 hours ago, frzndrwnwrld said:

    Quavo didn't seem like he wanted to be there. I didn't notice any chemistry with M at all.

    3 hours ago, zephyralexxx said:

    Judging from his interview, not knowing any of M's songs, I believe he even didn't want to be on the track and M dragged him for this duet...

    In my opinion, the post 2001Madonna rarely, if ever, wins anything from collaborations. Okay that some performances and songs end up looking/sounding good, but, at the long-term, the ones that benefit from it are the featuring singers, the producers, etc, with whom she work cuz after working together they have Madonna name on their curriculum and that's a big thing. But, for her, what they add to her art is, most of the time, a footnote and nothing to write home about.

    The fact that Quavo mentioned Champagne Rosé as his favorite Madonna song can be interpreted from three points of view:

    1) It is, in fact, his fave Madonna song and he just gave a straight honest answer
    2) It's not his fave Madonna song (he had other one in mind), but as the other song that they did together, he lied and answer it in order to promote it
    3) He doesn't know or couldn't think about any of her numerous hits and so just answer it cuz it was their first collaboration/what he could remember

    Which one I'm most inclined to believe that is the real one? The third option. But is this an exclusive Quavo thing? I bet not. If one asked the same question to Timbaland, Timberlake, Martin Solveig,  Benassi brothers, Billboard, Kanye West, M.I.A., Nicki Minaj, Drake, Anitta, Swae Lee, Dino D'Santiago and, I dare to say, even Maluma, how many of them could really answer a non-collaboration track or a non-safe signature hit (Holiday, Like A Virgin, La Isla Bonita, Like A Prayer, Vogue) as their favorite Madonna song? How many of them really know her back catalogue? How many of them worked with her cuz she's a singer that they admire since ever and how many did it cuz she's an world wide icon and a good name to be attached to? This is food for thought.

    EUROVISION! The aftermath!

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    31 minutes ago, Bette Davis Dub said:

    It wasn't a catastrophe, but it was disappointing from the weak beginning, went on with the terror interlude and ended with an expressionless Quavo appearance. The performance was a massive downgrade of her beautiful Met gala show. Madonna didn't want to spread fun and party mood, she wanted to preach and kick many asses. Well, that's what she has done and nobody needs to be surprised about the reaction.

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    Quavo was like:

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    EUROVISION! The aftermath!

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    1 hour ago, karbatal said:

    Is this meltdown the biggest ever in Mafonnanation history? 

    1 hour ago, AlanLongoria said:

    Drake gate would like to have a word with you

    48 minutes ago, Martin B. said:

    Prince’s tribute says hi!

    Candy Shop inclusion at MDNAT and RHT setlists is looking at you three.

    Madonna's CONTROVERSIAL & SHOW-STOPPING Eurovision performance

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    4 hours ago, peter said:

    And there are comments on that EW article stating that “I bet Madonna doesn’t even know/understand the conflict or how long it’s been going on...” So I guess maybe she doesn’t know her audience...? It must have been her first time in Israel... Maybe we should cut her some slack. 

    :madno:

    The Girlie Show Tour: October 4, 1993 - Tel Aviv, Israel (sixth show of the tour)
    MDNA Tour: May 31, 2012 - Tel Aviv, Israel (first show of the tour)

    She also spent almost a whole week there in 2004 with Guy Ritchie:

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    I'm guessing that you did not watch the super interesting "I'm Going To Tell You A Secret" till the end :think:. Bad, bad fan. :tongue:

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    4 hours ago, dollhouse said:

    The arrangement of LAP was naked and left her vocals bare on top of that 97kbs midi file.

    :lol:

    Madonna's CONTROVERSIAL & SHOW-STOPPING Eurovision performance

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    Heavy costume and eye-patch limiting her moves, grillz limiting her singing, a slow version of a dance classic and a new unknown song to entertain live 200 millions of people? Well, let's say that the stars were aligned for a flat performance. It's in situations like this that I feel that Madonna is for sure surrounded by yes people, cuz how come all of that got green-lighted? It wasn't bad per se, but, in my opinion, was just boring and unmemorable and in the end it feels like a big wasted opportunity.

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