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  1. We are still a part of Europe in the UK, we voted out of the E.U., not the continent, as of yet article 50 has yet to be triggered.

    "Racism and prejudice on both sides is terrible."

    I don't think you grasp what I meant by that. I meant that racism towards anyone is terrible no matter who is on the receiving end, not that in modern history (past 500 years) all races have been treated the same, I'm not an idiot.


    And well, sorry, but I do like to listen to peoples reasoning without shouting them down as racist, self loathing or ignorant. For instance, had I not bothered to look into it, I wouldn't have known that The Cubans 4 Trump liked Trump because they have a deep rooted loathing of communism, not because they are self hating minorities, quite the opposite frankly. Not everyone follows the mainstream narrative, maybe they saw something in who they voted for, whether we like it or not.
    In my personal view, we shouldn't presume things about minorities and their vote, as if they are all one people who should share the same thought pattern. They have a right to vote for who they want to without being labelled. There are middle easterns who are thankful Hilary didn't get in, and those who think both Hilary & Trump are equally worse so shrug it off. There are also Christians (and atheists) in the middle east, something the west tends to forget and I did hear about a few of those who voted or supported Trump from far away lands. Why do you think that is? lol, They are a minority in a minority! How dare they! In my view you can't just presume everyone who voted is racist or dumb or self loathing, there are reasons beyond that and it's not as simple as Hilary = Good, Trump = Bad. The media tells us Trump is Hitler 2.0, but there are many other outlets out there, like even Trump's own live streams that people have been watching rather than the television. I think that's important to note too, the sources people use for their reasoning. Also, go and look at Trump's facebook page now and then, there are people from countries you probably can't even pronounce who are singing his praises. It's crazy when you think about the mainstream narrative, but the internet has really proven that the world is not simply black or white. But then again you've already said you have no interest in hearing other points of view or trying to understand so my post is a waste of typing. :p  doh!

  2. 4 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

    Sorry but you simply either didnt read my post or just refuse to understand it. I explained it to you very well  why people didn't react the same way as if it was the way round according to your logic and other members here. But still you just don't get the full picture. 

    And yes you had an agenda. And it doesn't matter if your American or not. I'm not American myself. I lived in America for 3 years though but still that doesn't mean anything. I can still be critical of what's going on there and understand the situation. 

    Truth is you just didn't post that video condemning the crime itself. You posted that video on this thread to follow the rethoric of Where's  the outrage? If it was the way round people would be much more vocal about it. So yes it was politically induced but then again the -Fuck-the minorities-mentality of the GOP has always used that strategy. Minorities are either rapists or terrorists or criminals or simply lazy and stupid... so yes the video proves that yes there are some black people being racist and doing unspeakable acts. As if we didn't know that.. But we all have to sit and watch a racist pig taking his place in the White House and rule the world and say nothing.

    I don't get the but in your last sentence.

    Truth is? No that is not the truth. I did condemn the crime. I didn't post the video, I joined the conversation.
    And if you're trying to say I have a fuck the minorities mentality then you are wrong. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of this type of stuff, it drives me mad that some people think they're so morally superior yet when something like this happens where the side we don't like is the victim, suddenly it's a muffled 'oh well you know it's because...' reaction, it's cowardice and in a way if you wanna go deeper it could even be seen as subliminally prejudice as different reactions to the same crimes promote the notion there are different moral standards for different ethnicities, and like I said before I believe people should be treated equally. We don't need to justify these things from any side, we should be outraged by all forms of prejudice and hate, we don't need to try and soften the blows, we should see things for what they are as people are conscious individual beings who should be held accountable for their actions, white or black, or Muslim or Christian.


    Me questioning the lack of outrage is what it is, calling out the hypocrisy, it's not no G-O-P tactic, I have no desire to be a GOP tactician in any part of my life let alone on a Madonna forum, lol.

    6 hours ago, Chris_Tanasoff said:

    I don't agree with that sentiment. You can't oppress the dominant race. We can condemn individual acts but there's no comparing the racism the black community face to the mean comments white people face, on occasion. There is no comparison. The prejudice is and was much worse in the black community. They were slaves. Some folks (Millions) still think they should be slaves. It is absolutely not correct to call them equally bad. 

    Who said about comparing an entire history to individual acts? Individual hate crimes are what I was talking about. If 3 white people beat up a black person because they're black it's a hate crime and if it's the other way around it's a hate crime just the same. That's what I was talking about.

    6 hours ago, Chris_Tanasoff said:

    Why don't you judge people for how they vote? Trump voters for instance empowered a racist, misogynist demagogue. Their vote has consequences so if they tell you who they voted for, you can absolutely judge them. It's not this sacred, secret matter that we shouldn't speak of. Trump voters empowered an outright racist who will take away the health insurance of 20 million Americans and gut any form of birth control program. It's perfectly fine to judge them and to tell them what they have done. 

    The reason they use it is because they're insecure. Trump could crack at any time because he's so mentally unstable and rather than face that reality they spend all their time defending. It's literally classic behaviour, you'd expect this, in this situation. 

    Because people are individuals and I don't like to presume things in terms of voting for either or. I actually like to hear peoples reasons before I condemn them simply for their vote, sorry if that makes me a horrific person.

    Like for instance, I found out a few months ago about Cubans 4 Trump, they voted for Donald and supported him vigorously. I can't look at them and scream that they are xenophobic misogynist bigots. People are individuals and there's more than just the mainstream narrative to look at in situations like this (a divisive election). There was a black vote and even a Latino vote for Trump that was bigger than expected, wasn't there? To dust them off as ignorant or Uncle Toms is just prejudice and dismissive. It annoyed me when people decided to label Kanye such things because of his so called outburst.
    It's good to hear from these people before we totally just shout them down, even with the white american voters, to simply shun them all and label them as racist before acknowledging the individual reasoning means we don't get the full picture other than what were imposing on them. At a time like this communication is key, and going to the people who are on the other side of your thinking and listening to their view is probably a good thing to do, if even it turns out they've proven you right, atleast you can say you bothered. *shrug*

  3. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-how-age-disgracefully-hollywood-guest-column-960794

    Camille Paglia: How to Age Disgracefully in Hollywood (Guest Column)

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    Madonna played up her sex appeal at the Metropolitan Museum of Art Gala in May with an outfit featuring duct-taped nipples and strapped-up bare buttocks.

    The social critic and academic blames 1960s disruptions of gender roles (and not the entertainment industry) for Madonna's and J. Lo's difficulty letting go of their youth as she chastises them to "stop cannibalizing the young."

    In December, at the Billboard Women in Music Awards in New York City, Madonna was given the trophy for Woman of the Year. In a rambling, tearful acceptance speech that ran more than 16 minutes, she claimed to be a victim of "blatant misogyny, sexism, constant bullying and relentless abuse."

    It was a startling appropriation of stereotypical feminist rhetoric by a superstar whose major achievement in cultural history was to overthrow the puritanical old guard of second-wave feminism and to liberate the long-silenced pro-sex, pro-beauty wing of feminism, which (thanks to her) swept to victory in the 1990s.

    Madonna's opening line at the awards gala was edited out of the shortened official video: "I stand before you as a doormat — oh, I mean a female entertainer." Merciful Minerva! Can there be any woman on Earth less like a doormat than Madonna Louise Ciccone? Madonna sped on with shaky assertions ("There are no rules if you're a boy") and bafflingly portrayed the huge commercial success of her 1992 book, Sex, as a chapter of the Spanish Inquisition, in which she was persecuted as "a whore and a witch."

    I was singled out by name as having accused her of "objectifying" herself sexually (prudish feminist jargon that I always have rejected), when in fact I was Madonna's first major defender, celebrating her revival of pagan eroticism and prophesying in a highly controversial 1990 New York Times op-ed that she was "the future of feminism."

    But I want to focus here on the charge of ageism that Madonna, now 58, leveled against the entertainment industry and that received heavy, sympathetic coverage in the mainstream media. Her grievances about the treatment of women performers climaxed with this: "And finally, do not age, because to age is a sin. You will be criticized, you will be vilified and you will definitely not be played on the radio."

    First of all, lack of radio airplay may indeed hamper new or indie groups, but in this digital age, when songs go viral in a flash, rich and famous performers of Madonna's level fail to get airplay not because of their age, but because their current music no longer is attracting a broad audience. When was the last time Madonna released hit songs of the brilliant quality of her golden era of the 1980s and '90s? Lavish, lucrative touring rather than sustained creative work in the studio has been her priority for decades.

     

    Crawford exhibits "crazed willpower and misery in her facial muscles," says Paglia.
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    Crawford exhibits "crazed willpower and misery in her facial muscles," says Paglia.

     

     

    Swanson in <em>Sunset Boulevard</em>, in which her character &quot;has gone bonkers and thinks she&#39;s the sexy Salome of her youth.&quot;
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    Swanson in Sunset Boulevard, in which her character "has gone bonkers and thinks she's the sexy Salome of her youth."

     

    The truth, if Madonna can dare face it, is that she is having a prolonged midlife crisis like that of many great stars of the past. It is particularly painful for her as a dancer whose disciplined body always was her primary expressive instrument. The agony of the aging star has been an archetypal theme of Hollywood since Dinner at Eight (1933) and the first A Star Is Born (1937), in which John Barrymore and Fredric March played celebrated actors in suicidal decline. But it was Billy Wilder's film noir masterpiece Sunset Boulevard (1950) that first highlighted the special sufferings of the female sex symbol, whose glamorous aura was created and then cruelly withdrawn by a ruthless industry. The aging Norma Desmond, powerfully played by Gloria Swanson, is surrounded by photos and souvenirs from Swanson's own dazzling stardom in the 1920s, when she was an international symbol of high fashion and chic.

    From Joan Crawford — the first major studio-era star to hit the humiliating wall of aging — to Marilyn Monroe, who died at age 36 of a barbiturate overdose in 1962, aging has been a curse for Hollywood megastars. Dynamically verbal performers such as Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn, who won fame for bold roles as abrasive individualists rather than beauty queens, were able to shift into a richly varied, late-phase career as weathered character actresses — although Davis' signature role would remain the temperamental actress Margo Channing, who is obsessed with aging in Joseph L. Mankiewicz's 1950 film All About Eve.

    Hollywood, from its birth a century ago, has glorified beauty because sex appeal is big box office, attuned to the dreams and desires of the mass audience, both male and female. That the cult of beauty is not based on misogyny is proved by the centrality of beauty to the cultural code of sophisticated gay men from ancient Athens and Renaissance Florence to Oscar Wilde's London and Andy Warhol's New York.

     

    The main problem facing today's aging women is not sexism but the lingering youth cult of the 1960s. Traditional mating patterns have been disrupted: Marriage is postponed by extended education and early career demands. Because of easy divorce, middle-aged women are now competing with younger women for both men and jobs — and thus are resorting to costly interventions to look 20 years younger than they are.

    If aging stars want to be taken seriously, they must find or recover a mature persona. Stop cannibalizing the young! Scrambling to stay relevant, Madonna is addicted to pointless provocations like her juvenile Instagrams or her trashy outfit with strapped-up bare buttocks and duct-taped nipples at the Metropolitan Museum of Art Gala in May. She has forgotten the legacy of her great precursor, Marlene Dietrich, who retained her class and style to the end of her public life.

    In her Billboard Awards speech, Madonna oddly cited David Bowie as her "real muse." But Bowie did not cling to his revolutionary, gender-bending Ziggy Stardust in the way that Madonna doggedly regresses to the sassy street urchin of her 1980s debut. Bowie retired Ziggy after a single sensational year and evolved into other personae, such as the suave, enigmatic Thin White Duke. Neither Dietrich nor Bowie would have begun an event as Madonna did after Anderson Cooper handed her the Billboard trophy: "We already had sex with a banana" and (about her microphone) "I always feel better with something hard between my legs."

    Two years ago, Jennifer Lopez (then 45) made a similar misstep with her crudely repetitious, faux-porn "Booty" video with Iggy Azalea. At ABC's recent New Year's Rockin' Eve show, Mariah Carey bungled more than her singing: In her needlessly risque nude bodysuit, she looked like a splitting sack of over-ripe cantaloupes.

     

    Lopez (left, with Azalea) in the &quot;Booty&quot; single.
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    Lopez (left, with Azalea) in the "Booty" single.

     

    All women performers should study the magnificent precedent of Lena Horne, a fiercely outspoken civil rights activist who maintained total dignity and gorgeous elegance over her 60-plus-year singing career. Today, graceful aging by veteran stars is wonderfully modeled by Jane Fonda, Sharon Stone and Tippi Hedren, as well as the British actresses Judi Dench, Helen Mirren and Charlotte Rampling. Lucy Liu, at 48, displays luminous self-possession and impeccable taste.

     

    If any performer can provide a future blueprint for Hollywood aging, it may be that master of social media, Rihanna. No young star since the early Madonna years has such a gift for the camera — via intimate moody Instagrams or paparazzi shots in midnight streets. With her Chris Brown fiasco long receded, Rihanna has become her own studio, designing a profusion of cutting-edge fashions and adroitly shaping her public image as an irresistible combination of affability and mysterious reserve.

    Most disappointing about Madonna's speech was her collapse into rote male-bashing, which has escalated in Hollywood and surely will increase its cultural isolation from the national audience. The young Madonna was refreshingly sane in her teasing affection for men. Top movie actresses once projected an emotional depth, composure and adult authority that can only be called womanliness. Ingrid Bergman, Susan Hayward, Elizabeth Taylor, Deborah Kerr and Sophia Loren were no victims: They're strong-willed personalities — onscreen and off. But all of them liked men, and it showed.

    Women in or out of Hollywood who dress like girls and erase all signs of aging are disempowering themselves and aggressing into territory that belongs to the young. They are surrendering their right of self-definition to others. Men are not the enemy: They, too, are subject to nature's iron laws. For the sake of its own art, Hollywood needs less sex war, not more.

    Paglia's seventh book, Free Women, Free Men: Sex, Gender, Feminism, will be published by Pantheon in March.

     

    Horne embodied dignified elegance, says Paglia.
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    Horne embodied dignified elegance, says Paglia.

     

     

    Dietrich retained her sophisticated glamour into her mature years, wearing gowns by costume designer Jean Louis at her live shows.
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    Dietrich retained her sophisticated glamour into her mature years, wearing gowns by costume designer Jean Louis at her live shows.

     

     

    Fonda makes terrific fashion choices.
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    Fonda makes terrific fashion choices.

     

     

    Stone at 2014&#39;s Cannes still looks fabulous.
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    Stone at 2014's Cannes still looks fabulous.
  4. I don't have an agenda, I'm not even an American and although I think what we vote is personal and I don't judge people simply for what they vote, I can tell you I've never voted conservative in my country, so no I'm not some right winger trying to use an atrocity like this for any gain, like I said I feel like I'm from another planet, and I don't like to align myself with groups.

    Anyway, even if I was a Trump fan what would I need to use this for? Trump won! He's going to be president, I wouldn't need to use this as ammo. If anything you could accuse those mere rumbles of commentary about this being agenda based if anything, lol. :smoke:  
    I don't want any outrage over this, I simply think lack of reaction speaks volumes. This is just one story that will fade out, and despite the Trump fans being called racists and Nazi's, there hasn't been an outrageous reaction or riot over this, thank God. But the other side tip toeing around this is no better and will not help any kind of race relations. We need to find a common ground.

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    So what's your logic here? That we should be equally disgusted by racism against white people.

    Yes, that is my point. Don't you agree with that sentiment?

    There is no either or here... hate on both sides is horrific. Racism and prejudice on both sides is terrible.

    It's perfectly acceptable to call out the behaviours from one side, we can agree and speak openly about the Trump bigots with no worry but when it comes to the other side there's always "more to the story". It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

    For example, see how you've responded with a big post about what Trump supporters do? Or how black people are treated in America? What has that got to do with this boy being attacked viciously?

    We now have to pander to this notion that somehow when the viciousness comes from other than white republicans, it's all "systemic" and there's a deeper meaning to it all, other than simply it being a hate crime against someone who is white and suspected to be pro-Trump. It's ridiculous and it's annoying to see how people either aren't aware of how hypocritical they are or they simply don't care, it's a "do as I say not as I do" attitude, and it's wrong.

    I am neither red nor blue, I am from the moon when it comes to politics.

  6. That attack is repulsive and I'm so happy they've been charged with a hate crime. It was a racist hate crime end of story, the fact that they even had to question it shows the hypocrisy going on here. They're on a live stream saying fuck white people & fuck Trump, if it was fuck Obama or fuck black people there would be outrage by all the celebrities. The other week celebrities were going crazy tweeting over prankster Adam Saleh being allegedly thrown off a plane for speaking arabic (not true), but where are the celebrities? Hypocritical cowardice sheep.

    Trump winning and the leading upto his win has proven many people on the left to be such hypocrites, making them  worse than the people they claim to be against.

  7. Lady Gaga and the death of sex

    An erotic breaker of taboos or an asexual copycat? Camille Paglia, America's foremost cultural critic, demolishes an icon

    Published: 12 September 2010

    Lady Gaga is the first major star of the digital age. Since her rise, she has remained almost continually on tour. Hence, she is a moving target who has escaped serious scrutiny. She is often pictured tottering down the street in some outlandish get-up and fright wig. Most of what she has said about herself has not been independently corroborated… “Music is a lie”, “Art is a lie”, “Gaga is a lie”, and “I profusely lie” have been among Gaga’s pronouncements, but her fans swallow her line whole…

    She constantly touts her symbiotic bond with her fans, the “little monsters”, who she inspires to “love themselves” as if they are damaged goods in need of her therapeutic repair. “You’re a superstar, no matter who you are!” She earnestly tells them from the stage, while their cash ends up in her pockets. She told a magazine with messianic fervour: “I love my fans more than any artist who has ever lived.” She claims to have changed the lives of the disabled, thrilled by her jewelled parody crutches in the Paparazzi video.

    Although she presents herself as the clarion voice of all the freaks and misfits of life, there is little evidence that she ever was one. Her upbringing was comfortable and eventually affluent, and she attended the same upscale Manhattan private school as Paris and Nicky Hilton. There is a monumental disconnect between Gaga’s melodramatic self-portrayal as a lonely, rebellious, marginalised artist and the powerful corporate apparatus that bankrolled her makeover and has steamrollered her songs into heavy rotation on radio stations everywhere.

    Lady Gaga is a manufactured personality, and a recent one at that. Photos of Stefani Germanotta just a few years ago show a bubbly brunette with a glowing complexion. The Gaga of world fame, however, with her heavy wigs and giant sunglasses (rudely worn during interviews) looks either simperingly doll-like or ghoulish, without a trace of spontaneity. Every public appearance, even absurdly at airports where most celebrities want to pass incognito, has been lavishly scripted in advance with a flamboyant outfit and bizarre hairdo assembled by an invisible company of elves.

    Furthermore, despite showing acres of pallid flesh in the fetish-bondage garb of urban prostitution, Gaga isn’t sexy at all – she’s like a gangly marionette or plasticised android. How could a figure so calculated and artificial, so clinical and strangely antiseptic, so stripped of genuine eroticism have become the icon of her generation? Can it be that Gaga represents the exhausted end of the sexual revolution? In Gaga’s manic miming of persona after persona, over-conceptualised and claustrophobic, we may have reached the limit of an era…

    Gaga has borrowed so heavily from Madonna (as in her latest video-Alejandro) that it must be asked, at what point does homage become theft? However, the main point is that the young Madonna was on fire. She was indeed the imperious Marlene Dietrich’s true heir. For Gaga, sex is mainly decor and surface; she’s like a laminated piece of ersatz rococo furniture. Alarmingly, Generation Gaga can’t tell the difference. Is it the death of sex? Perhaps the symbolic status that sex had for a century has gone kaput; that blazing trajectory is over…

    Gaga seems comet-like, a stimulating burst of novelty, even though she is a ruthless recycler of other people’s work. She is the diva of déjà vu. Gaga has glibly appropriated from performers like Cher, Jane Fonda as Barbarella, Gwen Stefani and Pink, as well as from fashion muses like Isabella Blow and Daphne Guinness. Drag queens, whom Gaga professes to admire, are usually far sexier in many of her over-the-top outfits than she is.

    Peeping dourly through all that tat is Gaga’s limited range of facial expressions. Her videos repeatedly thrust that blank, lugubrious face at the camera and us; it’s creepy and coercive. Marlene and Madonna gave the impression, true or false, of being pansexual. Gaga, for all her writhing and posturing, is asexual. Going off to the gym in broad daylight, as Gaga recently did, dressed in a black bustier, fishnet stockings and stiletto heels isn’t sexy – it’s sexually dysfunctional.

    Compare Gaga’s insipid songs, with their nursery-rhyme nonsense syllables, to the title and hypnotic refrain of the first Madonna song and video to bring her attention on MTV, Burning Up, with its elemental fire imagery and its then-shocking offer of fellatio. In place of Madonna’s valiant life force, what we find in Gaga is a disturbing trend towards mutilation and death…

    Gaga is in way over her head with her avant-garde pretensions… She wants to have it both ways – to be hip and avant-garde and yet popular and universal, a practitioner of gung-ho “show biz”. Most of her worshippers seem to have had little or no contact with such powerful performers as Tina Turner or Janis Joplin, with their huge personalities and deep wells of passion.

    Generation Gaga doesn’t identify with powerful vocal styles because their own voices have atrophied: they communicate mutely via a constant stream of atomised, telegraphic text messages. Gaga’s flat affect doesn’t bother them because they’re not attuned to facial expressions.

    Gaga's fans are marooned in a global technocracy of fancy gadgets but emotional poverty. Borderlines have been blurred between public and private: reality TV shows multiply, cell phone conversations blare everywhere; secrets are heedlessly blabbed on Facebook and Twitter. Hence, Gaga gratuitously natters on about her vagina…

    To read the rest of this explosive profile, including Paglia's debunking of comparisons to Madonna, David Bowie, Elton John and Andy Warhol, and to view a slideshow of photographs, visit the thesundaytimes.co.uk/magazine now

  8. 49 minutes ago, Moka said:

    Yeah. Because after 45 years of Cold War, the recent annexation of Crimea, the bombing of the malaysian airplane, the coups and assassinations in eastern europe and the russian interfering in the US election, it's a sigh of relief that America will now be a friend of Russia.

     

    Sure the world would be a better place without the USA interferences. Hitler was such a nice guy.

     

    I'm just gonna quote the new president of the United States : "Good luck, enjoy yourself folks!" ;)

    Russia is scary, it's true. What do you see happening if America and Russia develop a better relationship?

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