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    SERIOUS DISCUSSION regarding the forthcoming Madonna compilation release.

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    Here is the info pertaining only to tracks included on the "finalized" Celebration tracklisting.

    <b>EVERYBODY</b> 3:58 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of the original 12" length version. Issued commercially and promotionally in the U.S. (NOTE: An alternate remix was instead issued in the U.K.)

    <b>BURNING UP</b> 3:50 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of the original 12" version. This version was not issued in the U.S. commercially, but was the 7" version internationally (Japan, etc.). (NOTE: Not issued as a single in the U.K.) Video version (released later than the single) uses the Madonna album version.

    <b>HOLIDAY</b> 3:50 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of "Madonna" album version.

    <b>BORDERLINE</b> 3:58 (EDIT)

    Remixed and edited by Jellybean. Also the video version.

    <b>LUCKY STAR</b> 3:44 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of "Madonna" album version. Also the video version. (NOTE: all formats of the "Madonna" video EP and The Immaculate Collection DVD feature a longer, 12" version of the video. Original VHS and Laserdisc copies of The Immaculate Collection contain the original 3:44 length video release.)

    <b>LIKE A VIRGIN</b> 3:35

    The "Like A Virgin" album version.

    <b>MATERIAL GIRL</b> 3:56

    The "Like A Virgin" album version.

    <b>CRAZY FOR YOU</b> 4:08 (EDIT)

    An early fade of the "Vision Quest" soundtrack version. (NOTE: This version appears on "Something To Remember" and is often incorrectly referred to as a unique fade specifically for the compilation.)

    <b>INTO THE GROOVE</b> 4:40

    Commercially not issued as a U.S. a-side. Instead issued on the b-side of the "Angel" 12" maxi single. Later issued on 7", cassingle and CD single as part of the stateside BackTrax/Back-To-Back Hits series.

    <b>DRESS YOU UP</b> 3:58

    The "Like A Virgin" album version.

    <b>LIVE TO TELL</b> 4:37 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of the "True Blue" album version. Also the video version.

    <b>PAPA DON'T PREACH</b> 4:27

    The "True Blue" album version. U.S. promotional copies feature "Edit" version, an early fade of the "True Blue" album version.

    <b>OPEN YOUR HEART</b> 4:12

    The "True Blue" album version. U.S. promotional copies also include an edited remix by Thompson/Barbiero. (NOTE: The U.S. 7" single sleeve incorrectly states that the song has been remixed by Thomspon/Barbiero. This version was however the commercially released version in the U.K. )

    <b>LA ISLA BONITA</b> 4:01

    The "True Blue" album version. This is also the video version. (NOTE: In the U.K., the single version of "La Isla Bonita" was instead a remix by Chris Lord-Alge.)

    <b>WHO'S THAT GIRL</b> 3:58

    The "Who's The Girl" soundtrack version. This is also the video version.

    <b>LIKE A PRAYER</b> 5:19 (7” VERSION)

    Remixed by Shep Pettibone. Runs shorter than the "Like A Prayer" album version due to the loss of a reverse effect on the opening guitars and a slightly earlier fade. U.S. promotional copies (and U.K. commercial releases) instead feature the "7" Version With Fade", which, as the title implies, is the "7" Version" faded early. (NOTE: This 7" version, while remixed, remains true to the sound and arrangement of the "Like A Prayer" album version and should not be mistaken for the house arrangement as heard on The Immaculate Collection.)

    <b>EXPRESS YOURSELF</b> 4:30 (7” REMIX)

    Remixed by Shep Pettibone. One lyric is altered during the fade of the track ("So you can respect yourself" becomes "express himself"). (NOTE: This version, while remixed, remains true to the sound, arrangement and overall length of the "Like A Prayer" album version and should not be mistaken for the house arrangement as heard on The Immaculate Collection.)

    <b>CHERISH</b> 4:03 (FADE)

    A simple edit of the remixed "Extended Version". (NOTE: The "Extended Version" remains unreleased --commercially or promotionally-- in the U.S.).

    <b>VOGUE</b> 4:19 (SINGLE VERSION)

    The "original" master of the song. (NOTE: The later release of "Vogue" on "I'm Breathless" is the otherwise unreleased video version on which the first 35 seconds of the "Single Version" are replaced with an edited, 1:05 passage from the beginning of the "Bette Davis Dub" version of the song. Listen for the change in the bassline at the 1:05 point of the "Album Version".)

    <b>JUSTIFY MY LOVE</b> 4:58

    The "The Immaculate Collection" album version.

    <b>EROTICA</b> 4:24 (RADIO EDIT)

    U.S. Commercial: The "Erotica" album version. "Radio Edit" (aka, Album Edit) --issued promotionally and on the CD maxi single-- was the airplay hit.

    U.K. Commercial: Radio Edit (aka, Album Edit), a simple edit of the "Erotica" album version. This version appears on GHV2.

    <b>SECRET</b> 4:24 (EDIT)

    An early fade of the "Bedtime Stories" album version. This version appears on GHV2.

    <b>TAKE A BOW</b> 4:31 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of the "Bedtime Stories" album version. This version appears on GHV2.

    <b>FROZEN</b> 5:09 (RADIO EDIT)

    Simple edit of the "Ray Of Light" album version. This version appears on GHV2. U.S. and U.K. commercial singles feature the "Ray Of Light" album version.

    <b>RAY OF LIGHT</b> 4:35 (EDIT)

    Simple edit of the "Ray Of Light" album version. This version appears on GHV2. U.S. and U.K. commercial singles feature the "Ray Of Light" album version.

    <b>BEAUTIFUL STRANGER</b> 3:58 (WILLIAM ORBIT RADIO EDIT)

    "The Spy Who Shagged Me" soundtrack version faded early. This version appears on GHV2. Not issued commercially in the U.S., but a stateside single release all the same. U.K. commercial single feature "The Spy Who Shagged Me" soundtrack album version.

    <b>MUSIC</b> 3:44

    The "Music" album version.

    <b>DON'T TELL ME</b> 4:10 (RADIO EDIT)

    The "Music" album version edited to end cold on the final beat before the lengthy "strings" coda. U.S. commercial singles and GHV2 feature the "Music" album version.

    <b>DIE ANOTHER DAY</b> 3:30 (RADIO EDIT)

    A specially mixed edit missing some spoken parts in the middle.

    <b>HOLLYWOOD</b> 3:42 (RADIO EDIT)

    The "American Life" album version faded up late and out early. And fast.

    <b>HUNG UP</b> 3:20 (RADIO VERSION)

    There are two different "Radio Version"'s. The two are identical until after the final chorus. As it fades, the U.K. "Radio Version" features additional singing ("Every little thing, every little thing, I'm hung up..."). The U.S. "Radio Version" instead goes instrumental. Both are subtly remixed by Stuart Price.

    <b>SORRY</b> 3:59 (SINGLE EDIT)

    "Single Edit" appears on all commercial singles. "Single Edit" (known promotionally as "Edit" and internationally as "Radio Version") is remixed by Stuart Price.

    Second U.S. promo CD features the alternate (and better!!) "Radio Version" (not to be confused with the "Radio Version" heard on international CDs) that runs 3:37. This is a unique mix that loses the spoken intro, instead beginning <b>a cappella</b> with the Robodonna "I heard it all before". The middle of the song has only a few spoken lines and "forgive me" is placed later in the mix (as on the video version.)

    <b>4 MINUTES</b> 3:10 (EDIT) FEATURING JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE AND TIMBALAND

    "Hard Candy" album version appears on commercial singles. Promo single releases (and U.S. 7" release) contain "Radio Edit", specially mixed.

    <b>MILES AWAY</b> 4:02 (RADIO EDIT)

    "Hard Candy" album version appears on commercial singles. Promo and Maxi single releases contain "Radio Edit", specially mixed.

    "Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    There is a shitload of confusion surrounding the single mix variations made worse by innacuracies posted on fansites, wikipedia and forums. Here is a link to the thread that I posted last year (in moist anticipation of this new collection.) It breaks down all of her single versions including track times, and indicates which were specially remixed or simply edited from the album versions alongside other (hopefully) useful information:

    http://forums.madonnanation.com/index.php?showtopic=23857&st=0#entry646593

    I actually own these on the various original formats and have attempted to be as thorough and accurate as possible. I'm happy to answer any further questions. :vogue:

    "Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    Seriously- why people get so up in arms over something like this... dunno.

    I have little doubt that when reviewers critique Celebration, it will fare pretty decently, just as TIC did. :) (Though a few of the 1992-2009 tracks could weight it down ever so slightly).

    I hope you're not misunderstanding the criticism coming from me as being aimless drama for drama's sake. :) I truly feel that representing one of Madonna's most revered hits with an already anthologized, twenty year old club remix utilizing an obsolete technology and severely altered arrangement is a mistake.

    For someone of Madonna's status, there has to be some element of preservation established as far as her recording legacy is concerned. That we're only just now, 25 years later, getting the original version of "Into The Groove" on a full-length release speaks volumes about the state of things at her label.

    And, if you and the "casual listeners" (whom you seem to know rather well) are so indifferent to what mix they're hearing, why does it matter if the fans who do care and who do want the accurate hit versions chronicled and preserved on an official, commercial compilation are vocal about that desire?

    No one will ever want for a copy of The Immaculate Collection. It's a different story for those wanting the hits, many of whom I know and who also would be termed "casuals". There are huge online communities and databases devoted to such a thing. It isn't restricted to "Madonna loons" or whatever else name the indifferent would like to hurl.

    The stack of rare, expensive promos and imports one has to acquire --including a limited edition, out of print FORTY DISC boxed set of 3" singles from Japan-- plus the work that goes into compiling them in a way that is listenable could all be easily rectified by a simple decision at her label to grab the correct masters that made these songs hits in the first place.

    The casual listeners wouldn't know the difference. The fans would have more incentive to purchase the new collection of previously released songs. The CRITICALLY-ACCLAIMED-SOCIALLY-RELEVANT-LIFE-AFFIRMING-LITTLE-BABY-JESUS Immaculate Collection would not disintegrate.

    Anyway, at this point it really is just the poor representation of "Like A Prayer" on the new collection that's pissing me off. Nothing can be done about it now as I'd assume the CDs have been pressed.

    Moving on... wonder what they fucked up on the DVD? :D

    "Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    It's lame, but: Please don't use the Immaculate Collection mixes for the Celebration compilation, especially Like a Prayer!!!!!!

    :bow:

    "Like A Prayer" is the main issue. I'm not happy about any of them being there, but "Express Yourself" is similar to the video version and the others at least somewhat resemble the album versions.

    To have a remix of LAP and then the album version of "Hollywood" (instead of the Stuart Price remix) is retarded.

    "Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    As I always reiterate, if the casual listener was listening to TIC version of "Borderline," Lucky Star," "Like a Virgin," "Material Girl," "Crazy For You," "Live to Tell," "Papa Dont Preach," "Open Your Heart," "La Isla Bonita," "Cherish" and "Vogue," they wouldn't know the difference between those versiosn and original album ones. Even "Holiday" and "Into the Groove," it may go over their heads. "Like a Prayer" and "Express Yourself" are the only ones that really have a "dramatic" difference in sound from their original versions/7" versions (yet the integrity is maintained).

    So, as a fan of TIC and who always has appreciated its intent and impact, using 8 TIC versions is no problem for me- as I suspect it won't be for casual listeners, who would make up the bulk of potential "celebration" owners (which is limited to begin with, in this day and age of iTunes cherry-picking).

    I don't see using TIC versions as anything horrid in celebrating her legacy- TIC was a very well-received album, critically and commercially. Sure, some mentioned the Q-sound effect and such, but it didn't detract from the enjoyment and summation of that era.

    You're hardly biased. :) I love The Immaculate Collection, too, but as a standalone piece.

    The "intent and impact" of TIC was voided once the songs were broken out of chronological sequencing and dispersed across two discs amongst a bevy of alternate LP versions and "Miles Away".

    Please, please grasp this: They went to the effort to rectify "Into The Groove" and "Holiday" by switching the 1990 mixes out for the originals; they went on to replace a good 7 tracks, most of which were as you stated indistinguishable from their LP counterparts for the casual listener (i.e. "Papa Don't Preach," "La Isla Bonita," "Material Girl"...) and yet still somehow managed to use "Like A"-fucking-"Prayer".

    I've said all of this before. In 1990 it was okay. She had just come off of "Vogue" and didn't really have anything else that sounded like it. A few dance mixes in the same style were great. She performed them on that years tour. So, yeah, the dance remix worked for a while, but as her career went on and The Immaculate Collection remained her sole greatest hits release and biggest seller, more and more noticed that the hit version was missing. More than any other song (yes, even "Into The Groove"), people complained about the version of "Like A Prayer".

    Celebration was their chance to correct this, to give people the correct, amazing version of this classic song, one of very few that truly lives up to the "changed the world" tag. I don't even care if they use the album version over the 7" version at this point, just for chrissake not the 1990 Q Sound Mix.

    "Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    The tracks are not arranged in a listenable fashion, and the mixes are just random. Look at it chronologically...

    Everybody (LP Edit) - presumably the 7" single edit making its CD debut

    Burning Up (LP Version) - from Madonna

    Holiday (LP Version) - from Madonna

    Borderline (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Lucky Star (LP Edit) - presumably the 7" single edit making its CD debut

    Like A Virgin (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Material Girl (LP Version) - from Like A Virgin

    Crazy For You (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection, 1991 UK single release

    Into The Groove (Single Version) - 1985 single release

    Dress You Up (LP Edit) ?? No existing single edit, perhaps a typo?

    Live To Tell (LP Version) - from True Blue, also from Something To Remember

    Papa Don't Preach (LP Version) - from True Blue

    Open Your Heart (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    La Isla Bonita (LP Version) - from True Blue

    Who's That Girl (LP Version) - from the Who's That Girl soundtrack

    Like A Prayer (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Express Yourself (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Cherish (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Vogue (1990) (Q-Sound Mix) - from The Immaculate Collection

    Justify My Love (LP Version) - from The Immaculate Collection, not mixed in Q Sound

    Erotica (LP Edit) - 7" single edit, also from GHV2

    Secret (LP Edit) - 7" single edit, also from GHV2

    Take A Bow (LP Version) - from Bedtime Stories, also from Something To Remember

    Frozen (LP Version) - from Ray Of Light

    Ray Of Light (LP Version) - from Ray Of Light

    Beautiful Stranger (LP Version) - from The Spy Who Shagged Me soundtrack

    Music (LP Version) - from Music

    Don't Tell Me (LP Edit) - promo and international single version

    Die Another Day (LP Version) - from American Life

    Hollywood (LP Version) - from American Life, hopefully the promo version that fades up at the beginning to mask the transition from "American Life"

    Hung Up (LP Version) - hopefully the "unblended" album version from the promotional single

    Sorry (LP Edit) - single version

    4 Minutes (LP Edit) - 7" and promotional single version

    Miles Away (LP Edit) - single version

    Celebrate - new recording

    Revolver - new recording

    ...no rhyme or reason for an album version here, an Immaculate Collection Q Sound remix there, then a proper single edit. It's like a novice threw together whichever versions they happened to have downloaded and burned them. This is not how you celebrate the back catalog of an icon nor how you present songs that "changed the world".

    I was perhaps the most excited about this release. I have barely shut up about it since... 2006, lol. I was with them with the artwork, the selected songs and I was trying to turn a blind eye to the poor job done with sequencing. I don't care if Madonna herself did it, it's ridiculous.

    The mixes are a deal breaker for me. And you thought the GHV2 backlash was bad? Just wait. I really can not believe how poorly this has been handled.

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